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#64842 - 09 Nov 07 12:06 Apocalypse when?
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Indonesia: Islamic groups split over Koran ringtones on cellphones
Jakarta, 8 Nov. (AKI) – Two of Indonesia’s leading Islamic organisations are squabbling over whether mobile phone ringtones that reproduce the Islamic call to prayer or verses from the Koran are a good thing or a sin.

In Indonesia, the country with the world’s largest Muslim population, such ringtones are becoming more and more popular among the population.

Maruf Amin, the head of the Indonesia Ulema Council, the highest government-sanctioned religious institution, argued that it is a positive development that could help people to often think about God.

“Any incoming call will make the owner of the mobile phones remember the Creator. I do not see this as an abuse towards Islam,” he told the Indonesia news service ‘detik.’

"It's even good. When we're waiting for something, we could use the time and listen to the call to prayer, for example,” he added.

On the other side of the fence, Amlir Syaifa Yasin, a member of the fatwa council of the Islamic Propagation Council of Indonesia has said that he is dead against it and warned that it could potentially degrade the religion.

"It's not appropriate. Allah revealed every verse of the Koran to the Prophet Mohammed and it should not be seen as a decoration, let alone an incoming call tone on mobile phones,” he told

"It could ring anywhere. What if it rings in the toilet?” he asked.

“The Koran can't be read or sung in any place, especially not in the toilet. If this happens it's considered as insulting the religion,” he said.

“This is a new thing in Indonesia and it needs to be looked at closely – he continued – but I would tend to prohibit it.”

Amlir Syaifa Yasin’s concerns seem to be shared by the majority of the Islamic religious leaders.

According to a report carried by the French daily Le Figaro , the Islamic Jurisprudence Council, the religion’s highest body, which just met in Mecca, South Arabia, deliberated on the matter and issued a fatwa – or religious edict – forbidding “the use of any recitation of the Koran because it could be heard at inappropriate places.”

In the past, Egyptian ulemas have been particularly vocal in condemning the practice which, according to them “made a clown of Islam.”
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#64858 - 09 Nov 07 16:16 Re: Apocalypse when? [Re: riccardo]
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You know the end is near when...

Indonesia: Islamic groups split over Koran ringtones on cellphones
Jakarta, 8 Nov. (AKI) – Two of Indonesia’s leading Islamic organisations are squabbling over whether mobile phone ringtones that reproduce the Islamic call to prayer or verses from the Koran are a good thing or a sin.






ridicilous, don't they have better things to argue?
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#64862 - 09 Nov 07 18:30 Re: Apocalypse when? [Re: riccardo]
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"It could ring anywhere. What if it rings in the toilet?? he asked.

?The Koran can't be read or sung in any place, especially not in the toilet. If this happens it's considered as insulting the religion,? he said.



I guess he'd have a problem with this product then:


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#64863 - 09 Nov 07 19:13 Re: Apocalypse when? [Re: riccardo]
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... according to them "made a clown of Islam."


As they say, knowing one's problem is the first step toward rehabilitation.
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#64865 - 09 Nov 07 20:43 Re: Apocalypse when? [Re: riccardo]
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In his latest interview the Duke of Edinburgh sparked controversy by claiming "Muslims are a bit funny". The Prince was being interview by the BBC about his opinions on Britishness.

When asked how he felt about the integration of non British people in to the British society he responded by saying "I think its great they're all coming over here with they're funny head thingy's and big beards"

However when he was asked about the religious tensions experienced in some communities across the country he shocked the interviewer by saying "Those Muslims, they're a bit funny arnt they, if they're not burning flags they're blowing themselves up"

The Duke, who is no stranger to controversy famously remarked during a visit to the Racal-MESL factory in Newbridge, in 1999 that an old-fashioned fuse box looked as if it had been "put in by an Indian". Earlier that year in a state visit to Ireland he allegedly remarked that the population were all "pikeys" and were bred from one massive pikey mum in a caravan much like the aliens in the film Aliens.

In Australia, in 1998, the Duke suggested that tribes in Papua New Guinea were still cannibals. "You managed not to get eaten, then?" he told a student who trekked the Kokoda jungle trail.

Perhaps most famously in China, during the 1986 state visit, he described Peking as "ghastly" and told British students: "If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed."

The Founder of the League of Old People Lovers, Bob Twain, commented that "you have to love old people don't you, they can be funny with their old fashioned opinions and wobbly, saggy bits"
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#64868 - 09 Nov 07 23:10 Re: Apocalypse when? [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Definitely a man who disdains this whole PC fad. More quotes from the Duke via Wiki:

# Speaking to a driving instructor in Scotland, he asked: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?"
# After accepting a gift from a Kenyan citizen he replied, "You are a woman, aren't you?"
# "If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (1986)
# In 1966 he remarked that "British women can't cook."
# Angering local residents in Lockerbie when on a visit to the town in 1993, the Prince said to a man who lived in a road where eleven people had been killed by wreckage from the Pan Am jumbo jet: "People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still trying to dry out Windsor Castle."
# On a visit to the new National Assembly for Wales in Cardiff, he told a group of deaf children standing next to a Jamaican steel drum band, "Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf."
# In 2002, he asked an Indigenous Australian businessman, "Do you still throw spears at each other?"
# Said to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, "You can't have been here that long – you haven't got a pot belly." (1993)
# "Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (in 1994, to an islander in the Cayman Islands)
# At the height of the recession in 1981 he said: "Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed."
# Upon presenting a Duke of Edinburgh Award to a student, when informed that the young man was going to help out in Romania for six months, he asked if the student was going to help the Romanian orphans; upon being informed he was not, it was claimed the 85-year-old duke added: "Ah good, there's so many over there you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages."
# To the President of Nigeria, who was dressed in traditional Muslim robes, "You look like you're ready for bed!"
# At the University of Salford, he told a 13-year-old aspiring astronaut: "You could do with losing a bit of weight."
# In 1997, the Duke of Edinburgh, participating in an already controversial British visit to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre (Amritsar Massacre) Monument, provoked outrage in India and in the UK with an offhand comment. Having observed a plaque claiming 2,000 casualties, Prince Philip observed, "That's not right. The number is less."
# During a Royal visit to a Tamil Hindu temple in London, he asked a Hindu priest if he was related to the terrorist Tamil Tigers.
# In 1996, he drew sharp criticism when he said "a gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman". The comment came in the wake of the massacre of 16 children and their teacher in Dunblane, Scotland.
# In 1987, he wrote in his book If I Were an Animal that "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
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#64880 - 10 Nov 07 10:24 Apocalypse when? Not on my shift! [Re: riccardo]
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A leading authority of Saudi Arabia's hardline school of Islam has condemned camel beauty contests as evil, saying those involved should seek repentance in God.

Camel pageants have become major events in the desert kingdom in recent years as tribes hold ever larger competitions, with bigger prizes and wider publicity.

Delicate females or strapping males which attract the right attention during a show can sell for more than a million riyals (127,000 pounds). Sponsors spent 10 million riyals on prizes for one competition this year.



"Everyone must repent of these acts from which no good can come because of its evils, and they should beg forgiveness from God," said a fatwa, or religious ruling, issued this week by Sheikh Abdul-Rahman al-Barrak and a lesser-known sheikh.

"Millions of riyals are spent on buying camels just to feel proud and not for the reasons God created camels, like for food, drink, riding and work," he said, attacking the contests as a backward tribal custom from pre-Islamic Arabia.

Commentators have pointed to camel contests as a sign of increasing tribal pride, seen as a threat to stability in the kingdom established by the Saudi royal family in 1932.

Coming Next - Camel Shagging...


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