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#60782 - 11 Sep 07 05:30 Time & Suharto
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Time Magazine Ordered to Pay $106 Million for Defaming Suharto
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Monday, September 10, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia — The Supreme Court ordered Time magazine to pay $106 million in damages for defaming former Indonesian dictator Suharto by alleging his family amassed billions of dollars during his 32-year rule, officials said Monday.

The May 1999 cover story in the magazine's Asian edition said much of the money had been transferred from Switzerland to Austria before Suharto stepped down amid riots and pro-democracy protests in 1998.

Suharto, who said the article defamed him and the state, filed a lawsuit with the Central District Jakarta and later the Jakarta High Court, both of which ruled in Time's favor.

The Supreme Court overturned the decisions on Aug. 31.

"Time magazine has to pay $106 million for defaming Suharto," said Supreme Court spokesman Nurhadi, who like many Indonesians uses only one name. "The article and photographs hurt the image and pride of the plaintiff as a great retired army general and the former Indonesian president."

Suharto's lawyer, Muhamad Assegaf, welcomed the "surprise verdict."

The former dictator, now 86, seized power in a 1965 coup that left up to half a million people dead and ruled the country with an iron fist for the next three decades, killing or imprisoning hundreds of thousands of political opponents.

He has evaded prosecution on charges of embezzling state funds, with lawyers successfully arguing he is too ill to stand trial, and has never been tried for human rights abuses.

The Time article, titled "The Family Firm," alleged that Suharto and his children amassed $73 billion, the bulk from oil and mining, forestry, property, banking and petrochemicals, but lost much of it during the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

It alleged that the family still had $15 billion in 1999.

Time could not be immediately reached for comment about the court ruling, details of which were not made public. But earlier, the magazine, owned by Time Warner Inc., said its article was based on four months of reporting in 11 countries that uncovered a complex network of corporate investments, bank transfers and property holdings in Switzerland, Uzbekistan and Nigeria.

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#60784 - 11 Sep 07 07:13 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: kenyeung]
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Minus the money transferred to the judges, he will get around 50 Million Dollars. Not a bad deal.
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#60785 - 11 Sep 07 07:25 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Shesca]
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i doubt he, or anyone else, will get a penny! Time might be american, but i don't think they are *that* stupid!
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#60786 - 11 Sep 07 07:30 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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You sure?
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#60787 - 11 Sep 07 07:53 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: kenyeung]
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The stupid court can keep on dreaming. I bet they are many American lawyers can win the case. unfortunately, indonesian lawyer is not the best in the world. Don't need to mention the total dodginess of Indonesian system.

I just wish there would be more justice in Indonesia, those billion dollars money, supposed to support millions of indonesian who struggle everyday life and can't even have a chance to educate them selves.

Suharto and his rats i hope they gonna be in deep shit and get what they deserve.

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#60791 - 11 Sep 07 08:17 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: emmajkt]
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Frankly I am always surprised at the size of Suharto's balls. He should be swinging from the gallows next to Sadam, Hitler and pot ... If time pay a single penny they are spineless wimps and I for one will stop buying there stuff (or their pirated stuff anyway)
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#60793 - 11 Sep 07 08:46 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: chewwyUK]
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I doubt they will be a wimp, they can't be Journalist if they are.

Indonesia need to change the System, first they have to really punish people like suharto. If the System is not change, it doesn't matter who became president in Indo there wouldn't be any progress for better future.

Most of politician and smart people in indo is such a wimp or they have no choice because other kind a people wouldn't think twice to kill people who wants to liberalise indo. Like Munir or the judge who get shot by Tommy. Dickhead Tommy, give example to others that's how they gonna end if they against suharto. These people play with people fear. There is no freedom to be a complete human in Indo... Because these Rats use dirty and violent ways. I believe the system is still working like this. Noone can really feel as a total significant human being and have really freedom to choose whatis better for others and that is sucks.

Every single person in Indo have to realise and believe as a person and citizen they are equal and have a same right to do good thing for their country. Its hard... while nothing support but fear
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#60799 - 11 Sep 07 09:21 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: emmajkt]
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But does that mean Time can't publish here any more unless they cough up???
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#60807 - 11 Sep 07 10:47 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Roy's Hair]
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It's wealth re-distribution, from the rich imperialists to the poor world. And, trying to piss more people off, Suharto I'l always like, a great leader in many ways except that he didn't keep his idiot children under control.


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#60808 - 11 Sep 07 10:49 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Roy's Hair]
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The East Timor mayhem and the economic interests by the Jakarta oligarchy were quite well linked -- causing this closely knit clique of former and active army generals and their families to abuse the fears of a handful of East Timorese leaders, who themselves had stuffed their pockets during their more than two decades of collaboration with Jakarta.

Here’s a brief outline of the business interests.
First of all, East Timor was the Indonesian "province" with the second largest landholdings under control of the Suharto family, namely 564,867 hectares. CNRT, the umbrella organization of the East Timorese resistance, had made it clear 7 months before the vote that they planned to seize the millions of dollars worth of these properties, after independence has been obtained (Sydney Morning Herald, 30 March, 2007).

These landholdings stretched from the Western border to the Eastern tip of East Timor, consisting of more than 50,000 hectares of timber plantations allocated to Mohammed “Bob” Hasan, one of the Suharto family’s business operators, to tens of thousands of hectares of sugarcane plantations awarded to the kids on the Southern coast, stretching from Suai to Viqueque and to Los Palos in the district of Lautem.

In addition, the best marble deposits in Manatuto were gifted to Siti Hardiyanti Rukmana, Suharto’s eldest daughter, who also had a monopoly over coffee production and export from East Timor, through a company of hers in Dili.

These Suharto interests still are closely intertwined with the business interests of other generals who have served under Suharto, both during the Seroja Operation to invade and colonize East Timor, as well as in other military operations. PT Batara Indra, an Indonesian conglomerate backed by Ret. Generals Benny Murdani and Dading Kalbuadi, one of the officers behind the killings of Australian-based journalists in Balibo and Dili, controlled the sandalwood forests of East Timor, and the production of sandalwood oil for export to produce sandalwood perfumed soap in France and sandalwood powder for incense sticks for export to East Asia.

PT Batara Indra also exports Buddhist statues to Taiwan and Catholic statues to Italy, made from East Timorese sandalwood and marble.

Most of the hotels and the only cinema in Dili, were owned by PT Batara Indra, while all the large construction firms in Dili, which were involved in all the large infrastructure projects, including building the irrigation canals and ditches for Indonesian "transmigrants", either belonged to Benny Moerdani’s Batara Indra Group, or to the Anak Liambau Group of the Jakarta-appointed governor, Jose Abilio Osorio-Soares.

Supply of cement for all East Timor infrastructure projects came from the Djajanti Group cement factory on the island of Seram, north of Timor, which is headed by a son of Ret. General Try Sutrisno, Suharto’s former vice president, and the cement factory near Kupang on West Timor, which is owned by Ret. General Arnold Baramuli, whose son co-owns the alcohol sticker company of Suharto’s grand-son, Ari Haryo Wibowo.

The governor’s family is also closely intertwined with the Suharto family’s businesses. Gil Alves, a brother-in-law of Governor Abilio, operated the alcohol sticker monopoly of Ari Haryo Wibowo, also known as Ari Sigit. In addition, as the chairperson of Yayasan Hati, a charity of former East Timorese collaborators during the Seroja Operation, Gil Alves is also involved in a drinking water company, Aquamor, and a textile company, PT Dilitex, which are closely linked with Siti Hediati Haryadi, Suharto’s middle daughter who has been married to General Prabowo Subianto.

One may ask, though, wasn’t East Timor such a small piece of the economic pie, especially when compared with all the other Indonesian provinces? The answer is yes, because the Suharto family still controls 9 million hectares of landholdings all over Indonesia -- that is as large as the island of Java, and makes him probably the largest landowner in the history of the world -- and he didn't pay a single rupiah out of his own pocket for any of it!

The key thing on East Timor was – and still is -- that the landholdings in East Timor overlap with the three known oil wells from the Portuguese time, namely Suai Loro in Covalima, Aliambata in Viqueque, and Pualaca in Manatuto. And between those three wells lie vast untapped oil reserves as well.

The Suharto family also made their preparations to venture into the Timor Sea reserves. In 1998, a new oil company was set up in Perth, called Genindo Western Petroleum Pty. Ltd. – owned and directed by Bambang Trihatmodjo, Suharto’s middle son. Bambang and his younger brother Tommy also own two Singapore-based oil and gas tanker fleets, which ply the seas between Indonesia and Northeast Asia, and which would have been involved in a similar trade between the Timor Gap and those rich Asian customers.

In addition, Bambang is also co-owner of PT Elnusa, which was involved in building a base camp for the oil companies and related petro-chemical industries on either West or East Timor.

Tommy, in addition to his tanker fleet, has his own air charter company which was hoping to tap in to the Timor Gap wealth.

This is why the Jakarta oligarchy -- with the strong support from their East Timorese collaborators -- were so keen in undermining a free and fair vote to determine East Timor’s future political status.

sourced from: George J. Aditjondro book, "Is Oil Thicker than Blood?"
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#60811 - 11 Sep 07 11:02 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: riccardo
Supply of cement for all East Timor infrastructure projects came from the Djajanti Group cement factory on the island of Seram, north of Timor, which is headed by a son of Ret. General Try Sutrisno, Suharto’s former vice president


Ricc, please no maligning of Try Sutrisno. His very own handsome son-in-law has repeatedly told me that Try and family were never evil or corrupt. So it must be true.

Quoting: Roy's hair
But does that mean Time can't publish here any more unless they cough up???


Time will no doubt keep publishing here and can seek a judicial review, which could drag on for years. They could call for the case to be heard by a cleaner judge.

The presiding judge who ruled that Time had defamed Suharto and must pay him Rp1 trillion was German Hoediarto. In December 2006, Hoediarto overturned the guilty verdict against Abu Bakar Baasyir for conspiracy in the 2002 Bali bombings. He also cleared Baasyir of any involvement in the 2003 Hotel Marriott bombing and ordered that his "good name" be rehabilitated.

Hoediarto doesn't always overturn verdicts. In 2004, he upheld a 15-year jail sentence for Papuan farmer Linus Hiluka for peacefully promoting West Papuan independence through speeches and flags.

Hoediarto is the Supreme Court's chief supervisor of military courts, which have always been servile to retired generals. Hoediarto was quite eager to restore the "reputation and honor" of 5-star General Suharto.

Hoediarto should not have handled the Suharto/Time appeal because he should have been retired by this year. But Supreme Court chief Bagir Manan in 2005 issued a regulation that extended the mandatory retirement age for Supreme Court judges from 65 to 67. The regulation, which was designed to give Bagir himself a few more years in the job, also named Hoediarto as one of nine judges to have their retirement delayed.

Hoediarto is one of the most vociferous opponents of efforts to remove corrupt judges from the Supreme Court. He has repeatedly denounced the Judicial Commission's plan for senior judges to undergo a "re-selection process" and be fired if found corrupt.

The only guilty reporter involved in the Time article 'Suharto Inc' is one Lisa Rose Weaver, who left Indonesia owing me several packets of Gudang Garam and bottles of Bintang.

More interestingly, Suharto has escaped corruption charges because his lawyers claim he is brain-damaged and does not understand day-to-day events. They've also said he does not read or watch the news. Yet Suharto's lawyer Mohammad Assegaf seems so chuffed by the ruling against Time that he momentarily forgot about the old man's "brain damage" and said Suharto was certain to have read the news. As detikcom mentions: Apalagi ada dua pesan yang termuat dalam putusan MA, yakni Time meminta maaf di media nasional dan internasional dalam tiga kali penerbitan berturut-turut dan membayar gugatan immateriil sebesar Rp 1 triliun. Soal uang itu, Assegaf mengaku belum tahu akan digunakan untuk apa. "Ah itu masih jauh. Saya sendiri belum bertemu (Pak Harto), tapi saya yakin Pak Harto sudah baca kabar ini dari media-media," katanya.

As for Ozymandias, try telling Marsinah, Udin, the 1997-98 murdered activists, the victims of the 1965-67 massacres and many others that Suharto was a "great leader apart from being unable to control his kids". Hands down the dumbest cliche I've read on JakChat.


Edited by kenyeung (11 Sep 07 11:28)
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#60813 - 11 Sep 07 11:23 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: kenyeung]
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Great, not good, he tried to hang on too long, yes, which would cover some of the latter crimes you mention, 65-67 i'd blame the religious groups for much of the excesses, but the communist party itself was well gotten rid of.
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#60827 - 11 Sep 07 15:43 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Patung]
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whatever happened to those timor cars of tommys ?
It used to be that the bank would give one to people who deposited enough money ..rough deal I think.
I think no-one bought any of them after all wasn't it?
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#60833 - 11 Sep 07 16:37 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Ena]
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whatever happened to those timor cars of tommys ?
It used to be that the bank would give one to people who deposited enough money ..rough deal I think.
I think no-one bought any of them after all wasn't it?


Many Timors (which were just rebadged Korean Kias) were rebadged (again) and sold to Jakarta's taxi firms (especially Bluebird) after Sutiyoso issued a regulation ordering cab companies to upgrade their fleets if they wanted to impose higher fares.

When the Timor was launched, and immediately became joke of the year, some dealers were offering "buy one, get second one at 1/2 price, because you'll need it for spare parts".

So that's what happened to them Timors.

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#60841 - 11 Sep 07 17:02 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: kenyeung]
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oh i think my fridge is a kia.. no its the other one-daewoo. Probably got a timor motor in it he.Loud enough.

I have heard a lot the sentiment expressed that actually life was better when Soeharto was there-at least you knew exactly to who was your money going to and there was not this jihadism/terrorism etc etc . This is from Indonesians who now live here-usually over 40yr of age and maybe not living in Indonesia since about 10 years ago.It is an invariable topic at those goddamn arisans.


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#60849 - 11 Sep 07 20:18 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Ena]
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Surely Soeharto did the spade work for the shit fight this country finds itself in now. 30 years of corruption, violence and anti-intellectualism. It goes without saying that the current crop of Indo politicians now are third rate shite hawks - they grew up under that old bastard.
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#60899 - 12 Sep 07 11:29 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Roy's Hair]
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UPDATE Sept. 11:

Time Magazine to Dispute Suharto’s Court Win

Time Magazine has vowed to challenge the Supreme Court's decision to award more than US$100 million in damages to former president Suharto.

Time's lawyer Todung Mulya Lubis called the decision a setback for press freedom in the country.

Under national law, Time can only challenge the verdict by requesting a judicial review, for which new evidence must be presented.

Lubis said he will study the verdict, but maintained the U.S.-based magazine giant had not defamed Suharto's character. “Time was only investigating reports that Suharto and his family accumulated wealth through corruption, collusion and nepotism,” Lubis said. “Most media outlets also ran the story. Parliament even authorized investigations of Suharto and his accomplices for financial wrongdoing.”

The defamation suit, filed eight years ago, challenged an article in Time Magazine claiming to have traced US$15 billion stashed overseas by Suharto and his children.
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#60900 - 12 Sep 07 12:15 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: riccardo]
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#61658 - 21 Sep 07 02:55 Re: Time & Suharto [Re: Dilli]
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'Time' decision comes under fire

Media workers and lawyers have criticized the Supreme Court's decision to award former president Soeharto US$106 million in a lawsuit he brought against Time magazine, accusing the court of lacking in "rationality and the reform spirit".

Soeharto sued the U.S.-based magazine over an article titled Suharto Inc.: The Family Firm, in its May 1990 issue, which stated that he had stashed a massive amount of his wealth abroad.

"Time magazine has done its best to write a balanced investigative piece. Neither Soeharto, his family nor his lawyers spoke out when Time reporters were out covering both sides," said Atmakusumah Astraatmadja on Wednesday at a press conference.

Atmakusumah, an expert on journalistic ethics, said that the Supreme Court justices's decision to award the ex-autocrat over the libel was mostly based on emotion.

"There was no check and re-check done by the justices."

Press Council vice chairman Leo Batubara said the council would send a letter to the Supreme Court asking it to further protect the freedom of the press.

"Their decision could truly damage the freedom of the press in Indonesia," he said, adding that Time's findings did not have to contain the absolute truth.

The Time article stated that the magazine had traced the accumulation by Soeharto's family of $15 billion during an investigation by a number of its correspondents in 11 countries over a period of four months.

The Asian edition of the publication said it found documents proving that the Soeharto family had received around $73 billion in assets, although the amount had allegedly been reduced over the years by mismanagement and the 1997 financial crisis.

Time magazine's lawyer Todung Mulya Lubis said that he still had not received the verdict from the Supreme Court.

"We don't know yet the exact legal consideration that the court has used so far to (award) Soeharto. We'll study the document and continue to fight for our cause," Todung said, adding that this would be a setback for law enforcement in the country.

He added that the magazine had not drawn conclusions on its own regarding the transfer of money, citing that the editorial used the words "Time has learned..".

The full sentence from the article was "TIME has learned that $9 billion of Suharto's money was transferred from Switzerland to a nominee bank account in Austria."

Legal expert Nono Anwar Makarim said that fighting for the freedom of the press in the country should not be a "seasonal fad, occasionally jolted only by an issue like this".

In a separate development, Soeharto's lawyer Mohammad Assegaf scolded the United Nations and the World Bank for including the former strongman on a list of alleged embezzlers.

A report by both bodies released Monday gives details of the Stolen Asset Recovery Initiative, a new scheme aimed at helping developing nations recover assets misappropriated by corrupt leaders.

"It is really deplorable that the report, when mentioning Soeharto, uses the words 'estimates of funds allegedly embezzled'. If they want to be serious, then they should conduct their own investigation," Assegaf told AFP.

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