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#59756 - 27 Aug 07 12:11 Roy's Hair Censored??
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These are the opening paragraphs from Roy's Hair's weekly JakPost column (Aug. 26). Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but does it seem that they've told him "you're nothing but a Bule, so quit criticizing Indonesia..."??


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Another year, another Independence Day in the People's Republic of Indonesia.

We are now up to 62 and counting. I suppose you would be expecting me -- on past form at least -- to be launching a massive broadside assault on the achievements of post-World War II Indonesia up to the present day.

Well, we'll see; I'm not sure I've got the stamina for doing another hatchet job on Indonesian politics this week.

People have asked me at various times over the couple of years that I've been writing this occasionally quite cantankerous and no doubt libelous column, if I have ever had any negative feedback or trouble with any authority figure over my Alzheimer-fueled ramblings.

I have always replied in the negative and pointed out that I'm not really saying anything that can't be read in The Jakarta Post editorials every day (which are, incidentally, written by Indonesian journalists).

I may possibly employ a touch more sarcasm than is strictly necessary but I would have to be going it some to top the Post's Independence Day editorial of a couple of years back that was headlined 60 Wasted Years.

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#59757 - 27 Aug 07 12:15 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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If it had been censored he would have printed the un-edited edition on his blog!

Both look pretty same same to me!
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#59758 - 27 Aug 07 12:21 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Dilli]
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I don't mean this particular article was edited by a censor, what I mean is, did they perhaps look at his body of work over the months and decide to tell him to tone it down. These opening paragraphs seem to indicate that. I'm trying to get in touch with him now, but he must be tied up.
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#59760 - 27 Aug 07 12:45 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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And BTW, it was Samuel Johnson, not Oscar Wilde, who said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." I wonder if the censors/editors thought they knew better and changed his original?
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#59761 - 27 Aug 07 12:48 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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I still maintain that if it had been changed he would have posted the un-edited version on his blog.
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#59796 - 27 Aug 07 15:01 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Dilli]
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It was Oscar god damn it!! No censorship. It's as it says, I'm surprised nobody has ever said I'd gone too far - on the other hand - as I said - I don't push it any further than local journos do in The Post. I think most readers know I'm not having a go at Indonesians in general - just their arse wipe politicians.

I've made it clear to The Post boys that they can stop printing my drivel at any point and I'll have no hard feelings. They're also free to change whatever they want...as long as they still pay me the fee of course (which isn't much). The point is they haven't (yet!!)
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#59804 - 27 Aug 07 15:35 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Roy's Hair]
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It was Samuel with the 'scoundrel' quote and he penned it 100 years before Oscar was born!!

Oscar Wilde did, however, say: "Patriotism, the virtue of the vicious."

Nonetheless, it is good to hear the JP gives you free rein -- my first thought when reading those first paras was that someone might've said something.
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#59810 - 27 Aug 07 16:54 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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I think someone else has well and truly won the over-the-top award already this week - cop this (below). It's full of typos so I assume the copy editor had to run off to the bathroom for a good puke before being able to finish the job.

All undeniably true of course, just that it makes one want to slit one's wrists.

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ZNet Commentary
Jakarta Voted - Keep Holding Your Nose! August 26, 2007
By Andre Vltchek


Visit to the fourth largest urban area on earth (with approximately 23 million inhabitants) may be hazardous to your health. Although there are no exact statistics to prove it and one can hardly rely on official data anyway, the city of Jakarta is rapidly collapsing. It is terribly polluted, but the local press stubbornly refrains from conducting any serious investigation that would analyze pollutants in the air. Visitors get often sick, unless they stick to some luxury and fully sheltered hotels equipped with air conditioners and air purifiers. Eventually they succumb to the coughing spells, poisoned by the grayish substance hanging over the capital; substance which can be, if one uses some imagination, still described as "air".


Many visitors also develop stomach ailments due to appalling quality of local water supply and food. Some simply collapse psychologically under the weight of sheer ugliness of the place, where traffic jams are the main landmarks of the capital city and where one has to drive to the shopping malls in order to "take a walk", as almost nothing 'public' survived decades of 'pro-business' turbo-capitalism of Suharto and post-Suharto era and that of the latest, outgoing governor Sutiyoso.


Continuity is now guaranteed. In the city's first gubernatorial election that took place on August 8th (before the governor of Jakarta had been appointed by the president or as in 2002, by local legislature), former deputy governor Fauzi Bowo, life-long bureaucrat and "urban planning specialist" (as he likes to be described) backed by a medley 19 mainstream political parties, won around 58 percent of the votes, comfortably winning over Adang Daradjatun from conservative Islamic "Prosperous Justice Party"(PKS).


Talents and abilities of the "urban specialist" Fauzi Bowo are highly questionable. If anything, Mr. Bowo and his outgoing boss, governor Sutiyoso, brought the capital city closer to collapse. Jakarta is dotted with modern skyscrapers as well as smelly, garbage-filled canals with muddy water - the only "playground" for hundreds of thousands of children. According to some unofficial statistics (it seems that pollution is yet another "sensitive issue" with almost no reliable official data available), Jakarta is the third most polluted city on earth after Katmandu (Nepal) and New Delhi (India). This unflattering 3rd place is shared with Chinese city of Chongqing.


"The UN reports that the city's drinking water system is ineffective, leading 80 percent of Jakarta inhabitants to use underground water, which has become steadily depleted. In low-lying North Jakarta, groundwater depletion has caused serious land subsidence, making the area more vulnerable to flooding and allowing seawater from the Java Sea to seep into the coastal aquifers. According to Suyono Dikun, Deputy Minister for Infrastructure at the National Development Planning Board, more than 100 million people in Indonesia are living without proper access to clean water", reports Red Orbit in the article on the "Cities of the Future". It is not surprising, as drinking water had been privatized and ran as pro-profit enterprise by French and British companies, "increasing prices and decreasing quality", according to The Economist.


Deforestation, over-development and poor city planning led to repeated and devastating floods. The most recent one, on February 2nd 2007, displaced more than 350 thousand people, and destroyed property in more than 50% of Jakarta's dwellings, as approximately 70 to 75 percent of the city area had been flooded with water 4 meters deep. Infrastructure damage and lost property amounted to almost 600 million dollars. Great majority of the population has no insurance.


City is choked by traffic jams and specialists are warning that it is approaching permanent gridlock, unless there are some dramatic changes in the very near future. Jakarta has almost no public transportation system, considering its size. Sutiyoso's brainchild: so called bus ways (idea adopted from much smaller cities in South America) never managed to fly. Part of the funds disappeared in corruption, buses are (ridiculously) equipped with only one door for uploading and downloading of the passengers; elevators for disabled people never arrived. One-way fare is going to climb to over 50 cents in the country where the average monthly income is approximately 65 dollars a month and where more than half of the population lives on lesser than 2 dollars a day.


There is no transparency and accountability in the governance. Much advertised "monorail" system had to have its first line opened in 2007. Some of the main avenues were blocked, traffic increased and the citizens were asked to be patient as the city government is trying to offer acutely needed transportation alternatives. But at some point, construction of the monorail simply stopped. Trees in the middle of the roads were already cut down; ugly concrete pillars had been driven into the earth, metal bars sticking several meters high. There was no explanation given to the citizens. No hotline to call, no information about the funds that allegedly disappeared. Once again, the government had shown profound spite for its own citizens. Local press unfamiliar with anything even distantly resembling investigative journalism decided not to ask uncomfortable questions: small surprise in the country where the media is owned, without exception, by big business.


Instead of monorail, outgoing governor Sutiyoso introduced "water service", probably in order to guarantee himself a place in the history of the city. Two pathetic little "public" boats navigate 1.5 kilometers of polluted water of canal, looking like two miniscule icebreakers cutting through the endless rubbish. 'Service' is available only for a few hours, on weekends: hardly a solution to almost permanent gridlock.


After being ruled for years by former general Sutiyoso, Jakarta truly resembles filthy military barrack, or maybe a mythical purgatory with its dark sky, endless chain of vehicles, children begging and offering themselves at several major intersections. Some beggars have faces burned beyond recognition; others are showing what is left of their amputated hands and legs, for a fee. And, unlike in other Muslim countries that are broadcasting only calls for prayer, citizens of Jakarta are bombarded at least 6 hours a day by prayers and religious recitations blasted at unbearable volume like in the worst Orwellian nightmare, reassuring the majority and reminding to minorities of who is really in charge.


There is almost nothing "public" left in the capital. Jakarta has only a handful of small parks, of which some are even charging entrance fee (like the one on the coast in Ancol). The city has almost no passable sidewalks. City seems to be fragmented, brutal and compassionless; commercialized to the extreme. No wonder: it had been shaped after the 1965 military coup that killed between 2 and 3 million people, from those belonging to the leftist parties and movements to those belonging to the ethnic and religious minorities.


MILITARY CONNECTION


Indonesia is still governed to a large extent by the old military clique. President of the country - Susilo Banbang Yudhoyono is retired four-star general. Outgoing Governor Sutiyoso is also a (retired) top army brass: Lieutenant general who served in the Indonesian military for three decades, and was involved in Indonesia's occupation of East Timor. It has been alleged at the inquest that Sutiyoso had been a member of 'Team Susi' - one of the units of the Indonesian military that were involved in the savagely brutal advancement on Balibo on the day in 1975 when five foreign journalists were killed.


Not surprisingly, Fauzi Bowo's deputy will be another retired general, this time retired Major General Prijanto - described by Jakarta Post as "long time army officer". This is a part of Prijanto's biography published by Jakarta Post, (as it appears on their website, unedited and linguistically uncorrected): "Maj. Gen. (ret) Prijanto is a long time Army officer who started his career at air defense infantry division of the Army's Strategic Reserves Command in 1976. He served in the division for eleven years before being promoted as the governor of the Army's Military Academy in Magelang in 1987. His field expertise was tested when he was deployed to East Timor (now Republic of Timor Leste) as chief squad of air defense infantry at Operasi Seroja (Lotus Operation) to East Timor in 1978.


The operation which last from 1975 to 1979 is aimed to curb efforts from Fretilin, a movement from a group of indigenous Timorese who wants separation from Indonesia. Aside from the operation, Prijanto spent most of his career as an off-field officer. He spent most of his career over the last decade at the Jakarta Military in various divisions, mostly at the defense infantry division, which he knows best. Known as a diligent officer who always complies to his chief's command, he was appointed in 1995 as head of a team of private assistant of Let. Gen. (ret) AM Hendropriyono who serves as a commander at that time. Prijanto also had served as coordinator of private assistant of Gen. (ret) Wiranto when he was the Indonesia Military Chief in 1998 before returning to the Jakarta Military Command as a regional military commander a year after that"...


It is worth remembering that some of the worst atrocities in East Timor took place during the time when General Wiranto was "in charge".


Lotus Operation (Operasi Seroja) in which Prijanto actively participated began on December 7th, 1975. With the US approval, Indonesian forces landed a massive air and sea invasion utilizing almost entirely the US-supplied weapons and equipment. By mid February, around 60.000 men, women and children of tiny East Timor were dead. United Nations never accepted occupation and colonization of East Timor.


But the story doesn't end here. The opponent of Fauzi Bowo was no civilian either. He served as the former Deputy National Police Chief; a military man as well, considering that in the past police and the army were parts of the same organization. In a "touching" biography, Jakarta Post writes: "Adang Daradjatun's ambition since childhood was to join the police or military... After Adang graduated from high school, his father wanted him to apply to Bandung's Padjadjaran University or the Bandung Institute of Technology. But Adang insisted on becoming a police officer. He told his father he was impressed by the discipline of police officers. Eventually his father relented and Adang was accepted at Akabri in 1968, graduating in 1971"...


That's some ambition, considering that he joined the force just 3 years after Indonesian military massacred between 2 and 3 million innocent people.


CHOICE? WHAT CHOICE?


"We definitely don't support any candidate who would implement regulations that limit women's rights, like those in Tangerang City", said Masruchah, the secretary-general of Indonesia's Women Coalition (KPI), referring to the Tangerang bylaw that prohibits women from leaving their home at night.


Most of the citizens of Jakarta did not go to polls to vote for the candidate of their choice, as there were no candidates willing to address the grievances of the majority. They voted to prevent calamity, and the face of calamity was resembled, at least for the most of them, an Islamic party taking over the governance of their capital city. Several areas of Java are now facing discriminatory restrictions imposed by sharia-law. In theory, sharia bylaws are unconstitutional, but extremely weak and indecisive administration of SBY is unwilling or unable to confront increasingly strong Islamist movements and organizations. Many citizens of Indonesia worry that secular essence of Indonesian state is in danger.


Primarily, pre-election campaign consisted of colorful pop music concerts and "stars" expressing support for one of two candidates. Eventually, both candidates appeared on television screens hugging elderly, children and the poor. Neither of them offered serious analyses of devastating future Jakarta is facing. And the media, as always compliant, restrained from asking hard questions. As a result, only a handful resident of the capital believes that elections will have deep impact on their lives. Cynicism is growing but the opposition is fragmented and weak, natural for the country where the military and religion play decisive role.


In the meantime, rotting garbage contaminates poor neighborhoods and clogging canals. Corruption is so institutionalized that police would not investigate car theft or burglary, unless offered considerable sum of money in advance. "When one of our correspondents is robbed, we call police and complain", says one of editors of national news magazine who doesn't want to be identified. "They often apologize and bring the loot back in just a few hours. What does it mean? That police is working with the thieves. How can you fight corruption with such police force?"


Millions of uninsured and unprotected people are living in shacks. Even those surviving under the bridges in the makeshift carton dwellings are facing extortion: they are forced to pay "rent" to local thugs and "officials". Social services already collapsed, and so did the infrastructure. Next to the luxury hotels, people eat in dirty stalls, often washing dishes with the water from open sewage. If the situation doesn't change dramatically, citizens of Jakarta may be tempted to turn to conservative Islam, considering it the only force willing to "protect" them. But in these latest elections they had still opted for "secular" candidate, for the "city planner" and his deputy who had "proven himself" by bombing East Timorese civilian population more than 30 years ago.


ANDRE VLTCHEK: Czech/American novelist, playwright, filmmaker and journalist, co-founder of Mainstay Press (www.mainstaypress.org), publishing house for political fiction, editorial director of Asiana Press Agency (www.asiana-press-agency.com). Senior fellow at Oakland Institute. He presently works and resides in Asia and South Pacific and can be reached at: andre-wcn@usa.net
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#59812 - 27 Aug 07 17:18 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Polisi Cepek]
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great article. but is it really as bad as all that? my feeling is that over the past few years things have actually improved in jakarta -- at least in my neck of the woods -- in terms of air quality, and traffic, and general civic amentities.

but then, not everyone has the good fortune to live in the centre of the universe (aka jaksa).
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#59813 - 27 Aug 07 17:35 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Things have certain improved in Surabaya - it used to be pretty terrible but apart from a great heap of mud in it, there has been a reasonable effort at tidying it up.

Went to deso Pakis today , brought a gebyog , 600 uncirculated stamps and a 1966 morris minor.
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#59814 - 27 Aug 07 17:43 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Went to deso Pakis today , brought a gebyog , 600 uncirculated stamps and a 1966 morris minor.

what you going to do with the gebyok? you building a house, or something? is it new (from jepara)? or an old one taken from a joglo?
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#59816 - 27 Aug 07 18:31 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Actually as it happens - yes . Got the silly idea of Bali out of my system , and realised just what nice place we live in, so are buying a bit of land close to where the house is - and will build bit by bit, I haven't drawn anything up yet. the gebyog is an original one - whilst I like the quality of the new ones , there is something a bit falso about them - this one has a bit character about it and retains some of the original colouring which hopefully won't get spoiled during the cleaning.

Went on a deso to deso tour up in the mountains, the treasures are still there if you can find someone who knows.

Seems a bit wrong sometimes to buy things like that, but at least it will be preserved and treasured in the new house.
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#59817 - 27 Aug 07 20:27 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Things have certain improved in Surabaya - it used to be pretty terrible but apart from a great heap of mud in it, there has been a reasonable effort at tidying it up.


Theyre pretty big on planting trees and shrubs all over the place, trying to live up to the city's motto I suppose. Plus I was surprised last rainy season that the underground drain works they'd done on some of the roads that used to flood real bad seemed to have paid off. Still, used to be kind of fun getting through them on a bike.

Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Went to deso Pakis today , brought a gebyog , 600 uncirculated stamps and a 1966 morris minor.


Where is deso Pakis? Have you been to "kampung Madura", that's fairly well-known for furniture among sby expats I think. I used to be pretty up on the furniture scene, less so now.
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#59818 - 27 Aug 07 20:37 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Patung]
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well done mr vltchek is all i can say. I think that article just about says it all
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#59819 - 27 Aug 07 20:47 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Roy's Hair]
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I think he's over-excited.

"That's some ambition, considering that he (Adang) joined the force just 3 years after Indonesian military massacred between 2 and 3 million innocent people."

That is just weird, wrong factually, and well weird, blaming somebody for becoming a policeman when he was a young man because of some things that some other people did, ya di yah.

He sure can write, old Vletch, but seems to think its all like this and it's all like that.
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#59822 - 27 Aug 07 20:52 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Polisi Cepek]
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Quoting: Polisi Cepek
"They often apologize and bring the loot back in just a few hours.


That doesn't sound very true either
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#59825 - 27 Aug 07 21:15 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: Roy's hair
It was Oscar god damn it!!


Quoting: riccardo
It was Samuel with the 'scoundrel' quote and he penned it 100 years before Oscar was born!!

Oscar Wilde did, however, say: "Patriotism, the virtue of the vicious."


What? No acknowledgment of this errata?
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#59826 - 27 Aug 07 21:18 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Patung]
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Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Things have certain improved in Surabaya - it used to be pretty terrible but apart from a great heap of mud in it, there has been a reasonable effort at tidying it up.


Theyre pretty big on planting trees and shrubs all over the place, trying to live up to the city's motto I suppose. Plus I was surprised last rainy season that the underground drain works they'd done on some of the roads that used to flood real bad seemed to have paid off. Still, used to be kind of fun getting through them on a bike.

Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Went to deso Pakis today , brought a gebyog , 600 uncirculated stamps and a 1966 morris minor.


Where is deso Pakis? Have you been to "kampung Madura", that's fairly well-known for furniture among sby expats I think. I used to be pretty up on the furniture scene, less so now.


Surabaya used t0 be a real drag - family and baked beans necessitated it - but it isn't a requirement now - If I want to see a smelly heap of mud I can go to solo and see the Mother-in-law. Apart from the aforementioned mud (and what the hell will they do with it , apart from add it to bakso?) surabaya has definitely improved .

Pakis is the little kecamatan behind arjosari and blimbing in malang , and leads right up to the mountains - truly beautiful this morning which was hot and clear. We are all wandering around in overcoats at the moment , and the next project is gas central heating. I also bought a little bit of carving - like a tutupnya kasa nyamuk sort of thing that had come from madura , but I have never been to kampung madura. I would never have believed that little treasures were still lurking around - just before the toll road I had a chat with a guy who owned a little mini cooper 1000 , and his buddy in SBY was selling a 1071S cooper - he wanted 70J but they are rare little cars , least if you could ever get it out of Indo -
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#59827 - 27 Aug 07 21:20 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: riccardo
Quoting: Roy's hair
It was Oscar god damn it!!


Quoting: riccardo
It was Samuel with the 'scoundrel' quote and he penned it 100 years before Oscar was born!!

Oscar Wilde did, however, say: "Patriotism, the virtue of the vicious."




What? No acknowledgment of this errata?


Antiqua?


Edited by Capt. Mainwaring (27 Aug 07 21:21)
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#59829 - 27 Aug 07 21:28 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Indeed Antigua! Typos happen in the shoutbox more times than you'd imagine. I really don't think you want me to start nitpicking on the thousands of typos you've had.

Attributing an iconic quote to a guy born 100 years after the fact is quite another issue.
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#59830 - 27 Aug 07 21:41 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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Well "kampung madura", don't know if that's what the locals call it but it's what some expats do, is in the Kertajaya area, near Gubeng station, masuk gang, there's a huge house on a corner that has five or six levels all crammed with stuff, it's fun to have a look around inside.

Malang area I don't know so well for furniture, I remember "Bob's", he was this half chinese half Dutch queer guy, had a big rambling place on the main road I think in Singosari, always served you drinks and explained that the ice was from boiled water. First time I went there he asked me how long i'd been in sby and i said 2 years and he was flabbergasted for the next ten minutes that in two years I'd never been to "Bob's" before. Funny bloke.
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#59831 - 27 Aug 07 21:44 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: riccardo
Indeed Antigua! Typos happen in the shoutbox more times than you'd imagine. I really don't think you want me to start nitpicking on the thousands of typos you've had.

Attributing an iconic quote to a guy born 100 years after the fact is quite another issue.


Just ironic it happened after you kindly reminded me that Osaka was still fortunately in Japan- very fortunate indeed for those Japanese who actually live in Osaka.
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#59832 - 27 Aug 07 21:47 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Patung]
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Quoting: Patung
Well "kampung madura", don't know if that's what the locals call it but it's what some expats do, is in the Kertajaya area, near Gubeng station, masuk gang, there's a huge house on a corner that has five or six levels all crammed with stuff, it's fun to have a look around inside.

Malang area I don't know so well for furniture, I remember "Bob's", he was this half chinese half Dutch queer guy, had a big rambling place on the main road I think in Singosari, always served you drinks and explained that the ice was from boiled water. First time I went there he asked me how long i'd been in sby and i said 2 years and he was flabbergasted for the next ten minutes that in two years I'd never been to "Bob's" before. Funny bloke.


I think it may have morphed in to Kendedes (more like Ken Dodds now) - if I'm not mistaken the guy you are refering to also used to own the "Royal Inn" which turned into the Laguna and was scene to many amazing happenings - ah , the joys of village life.
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#59833 - 27 Aug 07 21:47 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: Patung]
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When I'm in Malang, I'll be sure and go to "Bob's". My dad-in-law's family is from there and we still have some Chinese aunties there, who apparently own half the town. They're begging us to come for a visit.
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#59838 - 28 Aug 07 00:09 Re: Roy's Hair Censored?? [Re: riccardo]
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samuel johnson indeed . 1775. ho hum. knackers
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