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#58515 - 12 Aug 07 20:49 Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short
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A protest prompted Miss Universe 2007, Riyo Mori, to cut her Bandung trip short Saturday.

Some 50 protesters from an anti-pornography alliance against Mori's arrival rallied outside the Savoy Homan hotel (see photo), prompting the Miss Universe team to instead take her back to Jakarta.

The sudden change of plans disappointed guests attending a painting auction, which she was scheduled to attend. Her absence forced the committee to return half of the Rp 500,000 ticket price to every guest.

"We apologize for this last minute disruption (resulting from the protest)," Wan Abas, the committee's deputy head, told journalists Saturday.

Coordinator of the Miss Universe 2007 trip to Indonesia, Azfauri Azis, said the protest against Miss Universe was the first protest against the international pageant group since the management of Putri Indonesia, Mustika Ratu, invited them in 1992.

He said Mori, who has had a tight schedule since her arrival on Aug. 2, suffered from a gastric illness, which became worse after she arrived at the hotel to rest and saw the protesters from her hotel window. -- JP/Yuli Tri Suwarni

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#58574 - 13 Aug 07 09:29 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: Magpie]
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further stories:

Islamists oppose Miss Universe pageant

Islamist protesters forced the Miss Universe pageant "symbol of the world's adultery and pornography" to cancel an event in Indonesia.

Saturday, August 11, 2007

Islamic extremists have protested against the presence of Miss Universe 2007 in Bandung, judged to be “a symbol of the world’s adultery and pornography”. Frightened by these threats the Japanese native Miss Universe Riyo Mori, cancelled a charity evening which was to have taken place today. Organiser of the fund raising, Azfauri Aziz, made the announcement stating that the young woman suffered “psychological stress, following a strong protest and decided to remain in her hotel” where the event was to have taken place.

Hundreds protested yesterday in Bandung, West Java, where various extremist Islamic groups are operative and often promote openly anti-Christian campaigns. Among those taking part in the anti Miss Universe protest: the Islamic Youth Movement (GPI), the Bandung Adultery Watchdog (BMW), and the Indonesian Muslim Student’s Movement Unity (KAMMI). Under the name of the Alliance of Anti Porno-Action and Pornography, these protesting groups claimed that the beauty pageant’s presence in Bandung “is totally against the spirit of the capital which put moral values as the main and basic way of life in this provincial capital.” Asep Syarifudin, the BMW Chief, “Warmly welcoming her that means that Bandung has legitimately accepted the practices of adultery and pornography”. As in other demonstrations “against events which violate Sharia”, before taking to the streets the protesters gathered at the Al Ukhuwah Great Mosque.

Yesterday's protest is not an isolated event and once again underlines attempts to introduce Islamic Law into the world’s most populous Muslim nation. In Indonesia the Islamic rooted Prosperous Justice (PKS) continues to support a controversial anti-pornography bill, which sanctions as illegal all acts considered “sexually provocative”.

For their part, the religious and ethnic minorities as well as moderate Muslims warn: this proposed law is the first step towards the creation of an Islamic State along Saudi lines and totally opposes the Constitution which defines Indonesia as a secular state, as does a long tradition of tolerance and pluralism in society. According to Lily Zarkiyah Miner, a Muslim intellectual, attempts are a foot to conform Islam and identify it with the Arab world.

Mathias Hariyadi writes for Asia News.
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#58575 - 13 Aug 07 09:42 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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These two articles bring up a very good issue. I am guessing the first one is a JP article and the second one is written for overseas readers. Read the first article and you get the impression that 50 people (thats 0.00002% of the population) held a few signs up and shouted at Miss universe who decided she had better things to do with her time that put up with that and sod off back home. Amazingly and totally unrelated Rp. 500.000 per ticket was refunded!

Now read the second ... The number of protesters is now "hundreds!" and they are not Protesters from an anti-pornography alliance but are now "Islamic extremists"



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#58582 - 13 Aug 07 09:54 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Kasihan - poor girl got the shits as well, she probably thought Bakso was edible.
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#58591 - 13 Aug 07 10:48 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Do these people get a bowl of bakso for each demo they join? Do they not have better things to do than doing futile things to show how sok suci they are?

Miss Universe might suffer some distress, but she will move on and continue to live her glam life after this, while these people are still stuck there waiting for the next chance to hold up a sign for another bowl of bakso.







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#58592 - 13 Aug 07 10:52 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: Tut Tut]
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I would imagine that miss japan thought "at last a chance for me to get away from this place and get to new york, paris. london etc" After all I am sure when she won the Miss universe title she never had Bandung in mind!
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#58593 - 13 Aug 07 11:03 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Quoting: chewwyUK
I would imagine that miss japan thought "at last a chance for me to get away from this place and get to new york, paris. london etc" After all I am sure when she won the Miss universe title she never had Bandung in mind!


But Bandung is a bonafide fashion capital too, Chewwy, just like Paris and New York.. (according to my sources).

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#58594 - 13 Aug 07 11:21 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: Tut Tut]
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cheap "designer" labels straight from the factories back door doesn't make a fashion capital. hehehe
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#58595 - 13 Aug 07 11:23 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Quoting: chewwyUK
These two articles bring up a very good issue.


I can see that they are quite different representations of the same incident, but what specifically were you thinking is the "very good issue" that they highlight?

They did gather at a staunchly fundamental mosque, they did say that the whole protest was based on the fact that it violated Sharia Law (if you're not sure what this entails, see the Taliban) and 2 of the 3 groups (GPI and KAMMI) involved in the alliance are fundamentalist Islamic groups with a history of intimidation toward people from other religions -- and indeed even fellow Muslims that support moderate, liberal Islam.

Should all of that have been ignored? Does the public not have the right to that info?

Perhaps, it's all innocuous and not some conspiracy as the JP assumes that its readers know most of that background stuff and the int'l journo had to give more info to his readers who would not know all that stuff.
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#58596 - 13 Aug 07 11:42 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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The interesting issue it raises is how the media has a tendency these days to write news articles with a certain bias depending on which country audience are reading the article. I would imagine that the truth lies somewhere between the two articles that were written. JP obviously will avoid any reference to Islam while the other article brands them as extremists (a term which now conjures up images of terrorism).

I still have a problem with the way the term "extremist" is used so easily these days. News reports constantly use that term to describe a suicide bomber / terrorist. I am unsure that using the same term to describe somebody who is choosing to demonstrate in the street by shouting and holding some very poorly designed signs is the best way to move forward.

Maybe the media and indeed "we" need to start using different terms to allow better understanding. Maybe extremist is a good term to use for somebody who wants to blow other people up (or themselves for that matter). Then we could say "Orthodox" for somebody who follows their religious beliefs strictly and "moderate" for somebody who still believes but has adjusted there beliefs to fit in to a modern society.

This system seems to have worked well for the Jewish people. I see no reason why it cant work for all the other religions.
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#58598 - 13 Aug 07 12:21 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Quoting: chewwyUK

I still have a problem with the way the term "extremist" is used so easily these days. News reports constantly use that term to describe a suicide bomber / terrorist. I am unsure that using the same term to describe somebody who is choosing to demonstrate in the street by shouting and holding some very poorly designed signs is the best way to move forward.



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The main group that led this demonstration was the GPI. Here's a bit of info on GPI:

"...an Islamist had suggested that at least 200 jihadists were traveling to the Middle East, in a planned attempt to fight or perform suicide attacks against Israelis.

It appears that there was more to that report. Breaking news from AAP via the Melbourne Age and the Australian claims that the group had also ordered attacks to be made upon countries which support Israel, such as Australia, Britain and the US.

And in Australia, they are taking the threats seriously. The threat had been made by Suaib Didu, of the Islamic Youth Movement (GPI) ..."
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002708.html


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And this:
Indonesian Jihadis Dispatched to Lebanon

By Zachary Abuza
Indonesian press reports suggest that the events in the Middle East are reverberating in Southeast Asia beyond the pro forma anti-Israeli and anti-U.S. demonstrations as two organizations announced that they were sending jihadis to Lebanon (Detik.com, July 19). Suaib Didu, the head of a radical Indonesian student organization, the Islamic Youth Movement (GPI), announced that a group of 217 Southeast Asian jihadis have pledged to travel to Lebanon to fight the Israelis.
http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370087


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AND THIS from our own Kenyeung in his former incarnation as Tupai:

‘Suicide Attacks on Jewish Targets Planned’
Australian newspapers reported Friday that suicide bombers from Southeast Asia are preparing to attack Jewish interests in countries around the world. The reports said the plot was linked to “the radical Jakarta-based Muslim Youth Movement (AMYM)”. Presumably they were referring to the so-called ASEAN Muslim Youth Secretariat (AMSEC), which despite its name is obviously not affiliated to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, but is linked to Indonesia’s Gerakan Pemuda Islam (Islam Youth Movement, GPI).
http://www.parasindonesia.com/read.php?gid=414


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Bottom line is, if the GPI aren't "extremists" who is? The good news is that they apparently only have a tiny following in Indonesia. Most of your average Muslims probably think they're a joke. Others might quietly agree with them. Others might think they are not radical enough.

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#58599 - 13 Aug 07 12:35 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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the point I am making ric is not using the word "extremest" in every report that has something to do with Islam. If you put the days events in to context of what happened that day then I don't see that branding them extremist does much to further understanding of the situation.

While the cut and pastes you provide are valid they don't relate to the events of the protest. Also bearing it is a "student" movement I would suggest they are prone to talking big but not achieving much.
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#58600 - 13 Aug 07 12:37 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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On the other hand, KAMMI might not fall into the "extremist" camp, depending on one's definition. They definitely promote a very fundamentalist, ultra-conservative view of Islam. They also strongly believe that the ONLY government that Indonesia should have is ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW and their main aim is to push for that -- but not through violent means.

They have never before been associated with terrorists or suicidal jihadists, so it's actually a bit worrying that they are now in bed with GPI.

Maybe they were simply offended by the red, white and blue colors on her swimsuit:
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#58601 - 13 Aug 07 12:44 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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As long as its a democracy then any country has the right to decide if they want Sharia Law. I may not agree with it or like it .. but if the majority of people want it then let the people speak. Of course the problem will be if it was ever bought in it would be very hard to get rid of in the next election!
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#58605 - 13 Aug 07 13:20 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: riccardo]
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If the GPI aren't "extremists" who is?


GPI started out with some ex-Masyumi members being used as a tool of the military to oppose communism and pro-democracy activists (by branding them as communists). GPI was mobilized chiefly for political demonstrations and has been used for acts of intimidation and violence. GPI has marched side-by-side with Laskar Jihad (officially defunct) and FPI, both of which ought to be classified as terrorist groups and were also fostered by TNI generals. GPI still advocates using coercion and violence. That makes it an extremist group. GPI is now a hybrid of university students deciding of their own volition to protest, and older members (often ex-students and youths) who were groomed and paid to stir shit. In recent years, GPI has become a seemingly harmless protest group, but the strings are still there to be pulled if violent shit-stirring is ever ordered.

PS - Still waiting for that photo of Emmajkt in a bikini. thanks.


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#58612 - 13 Aug 07 13:36 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: Magpie]
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Sometimes i wish majority of indonesians were buddhist...
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#58614 - 13 Aug 07 13:41 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: emmajkt]
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Quoting: emmajkt
Sometimes i wish majority of indonesians were buddhist...

amitabah sanchai sanchai ...
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#58615 - 13 Aug 07 13:47 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: kenyeung]
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So my question is this ... the strings that can be pulled, would they be set off for political, monetary or religious purposes?
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#58619 - 13 Aug 07 13:57 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: kenyeung]
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Quoting: kenyeung
PS - Still waiting for that photo of Emmajkt in a bikini. thanks.


I don't remember posing in any of my picture wearing bikini. Sorry for dissapointed you kenny
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#58622 - 13 Aug 07 13:59 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Quoting: chewwyUK
So my question is this ... the strings that can be pulled, would they be set off for political, monetary or religious purposes?


yes, yes and yes.
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#58623 - 13 Aug 07 14:01 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: emmajkt]
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Quoting: chewwyUK
So my question is this ... the strings that can be pulled, would they be set off for political, monetary or religious purposes?


Could be a combination of all three, with emphasis on money.

Quoting: emmajkt
I don't remember posing in any of my picture wearing bikini. Sorry for dissapointed you kenny


How about just a regular swimsuit photo then? Thanks.

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#58625 - 13 Aug 07 14:06 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: kenyeung]
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Quoting: kenyeung

How about just a regular swimsuit photo then? Thanks.


ahaha nice try. but, no
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#58626 - 13 Aug 07 14:09 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: kenyeung]
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okay --- so to me the word "extremist" gives a message of somebody with radical views that are shaped by their religious beliefs. Given what you have told me, they seem more like a trained pit bull who are there to be used for the benefit of other people with an agenda that isn't always Islam
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#58628 - 13 Aug 07 14:15 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: chewwyUK]
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Seems this just isn't the site it used to be. I remember back in the good old days of JakChat around 2002-2004 when women would constantly post nude photos of themselves.

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#58629 - 13 Aug 07 14:19 Re: Miss Universe cuts Bandung trip short [Re: kenyeung]
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any chance of letting me know what threads i should look at?
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