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#56627 - 17 Jul 07 02:26 "wait until I get to the bottom of this page"
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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A judge on Monday approved a $660 million settlement between the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and more than 500 alleged victims of clergy abuse, the largest payout yet in a nationwide sex abuse scandal.


Lee Bashforth says the church settled at the last minute to avoid a public trial.

1 of 2 Some of the plaintiffs sobbed as the deal was formally approved and a moment of silence was held for others who had died during the years of negotiations.

"This is the right result," said Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Haley Fromholz.

"Settling the cases was the right thing to do, and it was done by dint of a number of extremely talented and dedicated people putting in an awful lot of time."

The deal came after more than five years of negotiations and is by far the largest payout by any diocese since the clergy abuse scandal emerged in Boston in 2002. Watch Cardinal Mahony's apology

The individual payouts will vary according to the severity and duration of the abuse alleged. The plaintiffs' attorneys are expected to receive up to 40 percent of the settlement.

Ray Bouchet, lead attorney for alleged victims, asked his clients to stand during the hearing and thanked them for their resolve and their courage.


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"I know it's hard for most of the victims whose scars are very deep ... and I know many will never forgive the cardinal," he said. "But he took steps that I think that only he could take and if left to the lawyers and others in the church he would not have settled this case."

Cardinal Roger Mahony, who has led the archdiocese since 1985, apologized on Sunday after the settlement was announced.

"There really is no way to go back and give them that innocence that was taken from them. The one thing I wish I could give the victims ... I cannot," Mahony said. "Once again, I apologize to anyone who has been offended, who has been abused. It should not have happened and should not ever happen again."

Outside court, some plaintiffs weren't ready to accept the cardinal's words.

Lee Bashforth held up a photo of himself as a young boy with the priest he says abused him. He called Mahony's apology "disingenuous" and said the settlement only saved the church from having to face questions before a jury.

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Mahony has said the settlement would not have an impact on the archdiocese's core ministry, but that the church would have to sell buildings, use some of its invested funds, and borrow money.

The settlement also calls for the release of priests' confidential personnel files after review by a judge.

"I think for those of us who have been involved in this for more than five years, it's a huge relief," said Michael Hennigan, archdiocese attorney. "But it's a disappointment, too, that we didn't get it done much earlier than this."

The deal settles all 508 cases that remained against the archdiocese, which also paid $60 million in December to settle 45 cases that weren't covered by sexual abuse insurance.

The archdiocese will pay $250 million, insurance carriers will pay a combined $227 million and several religious orders will chip in $60 million.

The remaining $123 million will come from litigation with religious orders that chose not to participate in the deal, with the archdiocese guaranteeing resolution of those 80 to 100 cases within five years, Hennigan said.

The archdiocese is released from liability in those claims, said Tod Tamberg, church spokesman.

The settlements push the total amount paid out by the U.S. church since 1950 to more than $2 billion, with about a quarter of that coming from the Los Angeles archdiocese.

Previously, the Los Angeles archdiocese, its insurers and various Roman Catholic orders had paid more than $114 million to settle 86 claims. Several religious orders in California have also reached multimillion-dollar settlements in recent months, including the Carmelites, the Franciscans and the Jesuits.

Parishioners reacted with a mix of disappointment and relief to the latest settlement.


Vivian Viscarra, 50, who attends Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, said the victims deserve the payout even though it could hurt the church's ability to deliver important services.

"It's making me reevaluate my views of whether people in the ministry should be married. People do have needs," she said

Well I suppose we can now understand why Californians are so good at running events ..
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#56632 - 17 Jul 07 05:24 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Seems to be a worlwide problem


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#56634 - 17 Jul 07 07:07 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Dilli]
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I didnt know there is such thing as "sexual abuse insurance".
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#56635 - 17 Jul 07 07:10 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Shesca]
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Big business in the States now!
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#56636 - 17 Jul 07 07:11 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Shesca]
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I didnt know there is such thing as "sexual abuse insurance".

i must get some!

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#56637 - 17 Jul 07 07:17 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Even the Pope is concerned about who enters the priesthood now!


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#56639 - 17 Jul 07 07:21 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Dilli]
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Thought I had better clarify the last image!


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#56640 - 17 Jul 07 07:23 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Dilli]
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Who's that sleazy looking guy.
(he's obviously a paedophile, but whats his name, what does he do?)
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#56641 - 17 Jul 07 07:35 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Shesca]
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Used to be a Pop Superstar in the UK, his reall name is Paul gadd but his stage name was Gary Glitter. Been in jail in the UK and is currently in Jail in Vietnam for kiddy fiddling!
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#56655 - 17 Jul 07 08:37 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Dilli]
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Seems to be a worlwide problem


Well, good for the California justice system for having the huevos to take on the entire friggin' Papist Church... I realize the original post was only put up to cowardly try to highlight that sexual abuse goes on in California, but these things - like the Enron scandal - ONLY make into the public realm BECAUSE the criminals got caught and punished. It is going on worldwide, but CA is leading the way in meting out justice.

How many times have you heard idiots say, "well corruption is rampant in America too, look at that Enron...". That's the whole point, those bosses of Enron are all screwed now, disgraced, lost their friends, lost their reputation and lost most of their money. HAS that EVER happened properly in Indonesia? Tommy friggin' murders a Supreme Court Judge and walks in less than 5 years -- with his friends still there, his reputation among society higher than ever and most of his money.

The point is is that bad shit happens among human beings everywhere, but how a society chooses to deal with it - punish the criminals or not - makes all the difference.
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#56657 - 17 Jul 07 08:57 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: riccardo]
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The individual payouts will vary according to the severity and duration of the abuse alleged. The plaintiffs' attorneys are expected to receive up to 40 percent of the settlement.

40%? what abuse did these poor lawyers experience?
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#56659 - 17 Jul 07 09:03 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Gary Glitter is also rhyming slang for arse-hole (gary glitter - shitter). This term was used in England way before it was announced your man was a paedophile and liked taking little boys up the gary

strange world
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#56660 - 17 Jul 07 09:09 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: chewwyUK]
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But the society he came from - England - didn't have the cojones to punish him. The Vietnamese finally got him.
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#56661 - 17 Jul 07 09:13 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: riccardo]
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Actually it wasnt that they didnt have the balls to punish him .. its that the fucker did a runner. Believe me if he ever shows his face in the UK, the police will be there waiting
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#56667 - 17 Jul 07 09:37 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: chewwyUK]
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talking about phaedophile. You should go to Japan, most men there is phaedophile because they don't have courrage to have mature sexual relationship with mature women. Japaneese culture pushed women to act, talk very kiddy or try so hard to look like a kid, poor them. I call it phaedophile nation.
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#56670 - 17 Jul 07 09:48 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: emmajkt]
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Japanese are mentally sick. But you cant blame em. Their society make them to be frown

But they are the hardest working perfectsionist society in the world...
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#56672 - 17 Jul 07 09:54 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Shesca]
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they are. Very hard worker indeed, ses. Even since they in the school. They take very serious of it, not a bad thing at all except living in the pressure, not enough socialism, bullying and suicidal cases. But those over exploited child-like object sexual intention in Japan make me sick
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#56673 - 17 Jul 07 09:56 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: emmajkt]
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They make very interesting devices!


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#56676 - 17 Jul 07 09:59 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: Dilli]
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what the heck is that dill? wanking machine?
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#56678 - 17 Jul 07 10:00 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: emmajkt]
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The Japanese are sexual deviants .... I loved my time in Tokyo!
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#56680 - 17 Jul 07 10:07 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: chewwyUK]
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I knew a gal in JAPAN who worked in a proper, professional office and at least two of her male supervisors used wear these mirror devices attached to the toe of their shoe. With it, they could see under the girls' skirts. The inventor of that device is a billionaire now.
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#56682 - 17 Jul 07 10:08 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: chewwyUK]
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I bet you are!! i bet you would love the red district too, which men wouldn't love it, what consider porn in the west is like ordinary thing there. And that love hotel thing is freakin gross
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#56687 - 17 Jul 07 10:20 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: riccardo]
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I knew a gal in JAPAN who worked in a proper, professional office and at least two of her male supervisors used wear these mirror devices attached to the toe of their shoe. With it, they could see under the girls' skirts. The inventor of that device is a billionaire now.


They are pervert!!, got this story from my classmate who used to date this japanese girl. In Japan, they have a bar in two floor connected. Upstair just ordinary bar with waitress hangin around with no panties. Down under the other bar for guys only. You have to pay bit expensive to get in. Why? Because the make Glass floor in between, so the can sneak looking up those waitress. SICK
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#56689 - 17 Jul 07 10:24 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: emmajkt]
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ahhh -- no the love hotels are very practical.
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#56691 - 17 Jul 07 10:36 Re: "wait until I get to the bottom of this page" [Re: emmajkt]
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They are pervert!!, got this story from my classmate who used to date this japanese girl. In Japan, they have a bar in two floor connected. Upstair just ordinary bar with waitress hangin around with no panties. Down under the other bar for guys only. You have to pay bit expensive to get in. Why? Because the make Glass floor in between, so the can sneak looking up those waitress. SICK


Tame, very tame. Not nearly perverted enough for me!
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