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#53582 - 10 Jun 07 18:47 Another Christian church attacked in Bandung
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Dont you if you guys have seen this, but look for the part I highlighted, it shows the mentality of these people, and to me says "we know who did it, but we are not going to tell you, so stick it in your pipe and smoke it"

Allah Akbar indeed

ational News - June 04, 2007

Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Bandung

After yet another attack against a Christian church this week in Bandung, West Java -- UK human rights movement Christian Solidarity Worldwide's (CSW) research showing West Java is the launching pad for Indonesia's anti-Christian movement has once again been confirmed.

In light of the growing number of attacks on Christian churches in West Java, CSW recently warned Indonesia that international concern was on the rise.

In the most recent attack, dozens of unidentified people Sunday broke into Sidang Jemaat Allah church at Gading Tutuka complex in Soreang, Bandung forcing church-goers, including 15 children, to stop their religious activities, which they have conducted weekly since 2000.

The attackers allegedly forced their way into the church at 9.30am Sunday, hit the Reverend's wife over the head with a bible and forced the children's Sunday School activity to stop.

Church-goer Lidia said the attackers claimed they were from the Anti-apostate Movement Alliance (AGAP).

Sunday's incident shows the suppression of religious freedom in this predominantly Muslim nation continues in West Java, where dozens of churches and places of worship have been forcibly closed by Muslim extremists over the past few months.

The number of churches forcibly closed in West Java alone since September 2004 is reported to be more than 30.

Dozens of other churches have been also forced to close in other provinces.

Under the revised joint decree issued by Religious Affairs Minister Maftuh Basyuni, the establishment of a house of worship must gain the approval of at least 60 local residents and have a minimum of 90 followers.

Shouting Allahu Akbar (God is Great), the attackers forced their way into the church and destroyed at least four glass pictures of Jesus Christ.

"They knocked on the church door, damaged it and forced themselves into to our school room," Lidia said.

"They said (Sunday School) was an act of apostate."

After picking up a bible in the church, one of the attackers hit Reverend Robby Elisa's wife, Moni over the head, Lidia said.

Ani, another church-goer, said the Sunday attack was the second to have taken place at the church where the attackers demanded the church be closed.

Last time the attackers said the church was not equipped with the necessary licenses, Ani said.

Church-goers however received permission from local neighborhood communities more than seven years ago to hold their religious activities, she said.

At the time of the first attack, a new head of the local neighborhood community questioned the existence of the church and later demanded the church be closed.

But Ani said, "We are here to serve our church followers because it's impossible for us to go into town to attend church activities -- transportation costs are very high".

Rev. Robby Elisa was away at the time of the attack and AGAP representatives have denied any involvement.

Moni was until Sunday evening questioned about her attack by the Katapang police station.

Muhammad Mukmin, head of AGAP, denied his group was behind the attack.

"In the case of any attack, we usually inform in advance," Mukmim said.

I was at home the whole day because I had attended the funeral of my father and we were still discussing the distribution of the heritage (of the family)."

Hedi Muhammad from the Anti-Apostate Division of the Islamic Ulema Forum (FUUI), an organization in support of AGAP, also denied any involvement in the attack.

"Usually when there is a kind of mass movement, we have coordination," Hedi said.

"We don't know at all from which groups they (the attackers) come from."
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#53583 - 10 Jun 07 19:52 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Magpie]
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[Clears throat noisily]

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1308/sunday-school/

Bandung seems to be the capital for that sort of thing, or West java generally.
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#53596 - 11 Jun 07 02:35 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Patung]
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Religion finds a receptive ear among the ignorant..... clears throat noisily . throat clogged with Kretek bile...
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#53597 - 11 Jun 07 02:38 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Magpie]
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Quoting: Magpie
"In the case of any attack, we usually inform in advance," Mukmim said.



Considerate chaps
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#53598 - 11 Jun 07 05:48 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Magpie]
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Quoting: Magpie
"Usually when there is a kind of mass movement, we have coordination," Hedi said.

"koordinasi dengan aparat" (coordination with police/military authorities): isn't that the phrase tommy soeharto used?
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#53608 - 11 Jun 07 08:27 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Patung]
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Quoting: Patung
[Clears throat noisily]

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1308/sunday-school/

Bandung seems to be the capital for that sort of thing, or West java generally.


Off-topic on the muzzie thug issue, but continuing on the theme of Patung's site, I really loved this bit in the most recent story about the Pasuruan massacre by TNI marines:

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Meanwhile Kiki Syahnakri, a former deputy Chief of Staff of the Army and a man with a rather bad reputation from East Timor occupation days, says that foreigners were behind the clash in Pasuruan.

"There are indications of foreign involvement, like how the psychological conditions were created in which the military side lost control in facing the villagers."

In normal circumstances, he said, it was impossible that the military would respond to the peoplesí provocations by acting violently. The TNI had certain procedures that it always followed, he said.


Therefore foreigners must have caused it, he said, because foreigners wanted to weaken Indonesia and one method they used was to create problems between the armed forces and the people.

"So we have to watch out for this, or else the country will be broken apart."
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1312/pasuruan-incident/
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#53674 - 12 Jun 07 03:09 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: riccardo]
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The blame game - deeply entrenched in the culture here - to the point of sounding utterly ridiculous to non-Indonesians. Mea Culpa? An Indo can NEVER EVER admit a mistake. It starts when they are very young. "Did you just trip over the rug dear? Naughty naughty rug!"
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#53695 - 12 Jun 07 09:46 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Roy's Hair]
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so true Roy! some indo people are just friggin' stubborn. even they do admit it, they'd never say sorry! or apologize! sad..it is embarrasing for me as an indo! really!
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#53697 - 12 Jun 07 09:50 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: juminten]
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Sorry Wrangler...no offense intended you understand.
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#53704 - 12 Jun 07 10:06 Re: Another Christian church attacked in Bandung [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Roy, whatever you guys said are true. believe me you didn't offend me at all! hey...i'm a balinese wink
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