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#51430 - 14 May 07 10:01 how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta?
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all i have to offer is great hotel experience, including auditing and i'm a native english speaker. how do i get work in jakarta? i have already posted my resume and info on many indo. job sites. i am 24 years old. my resume is attached.


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#51433 - 14 May 07 10:14 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: horizon]
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I would personally not recommend Indonesia for a first employment opportunity.

In reality, to get a job here as an expat you really need to prove that you are suitablly work experienced and that "no" Indonesian can fulfill the position that you propose to occupy.

Difficult one.....
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#51436 - 14 May 07 10:52 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Dilli]
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Lol, what a coincidence. I got your resume this morning from JobsDb, B. But unfortunately you are overqualified for the position we offered. Wish u luck in your employment search tho'!

I think many bules work in hotel industry, so just keep trying.

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#51442 - 14 May 07 11:05 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Tut Tut]
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yes many bule work in hotels Tut Tut but they are in senior management positions. I cant see them paying expat wages for a 24 year old with not much experience.

You are not going to like what I say horizon but Dilli is spot on. You really need to get some better work experience before trying to work in indonesia. In all honesty the only thing that you could try is teaching English.

Why do you want to work in Indonesia by the way?

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#51443 - 14 May 07 11:07 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: horizon]
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Quoting: horizon
all i have to offer is great hotel experience, including auditing and i'm a native english speaker. how do i get work in jakarta? i have already posted my resume and info on many indo. job sites. i am 24 years old. my resume is attached.


I can't understand why U can say U have GREAT Hotel Experience if you are only 24??, great maybe in your eyes only, anyway you to young for a GM job as nobody hire u as one at 24 and nobody gonna hire a bule to wait tables,.. suggest you change your career if you want to work in indo
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#51445 - 14 May 07 11:12 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Balibob]
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alternatively, start your own company and call yourself a consultant. that's the only thing left if you are fundamentally unemployable. worked for me.
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#51446 - 14 May 07 11:31 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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or you can always go to bali and export furniture and handy kraft ...
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#51449 - 14 May 07 12:11 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: chewwyUK]
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Do you absolutely want to work in Jakarta? 'Coz in Surabaya, I saw a different dynamic than what my fellows describe here (which is accurate, as far as I know), I've been working as a musician in hotels in Indonesia and most of the management staff are bules, but older, with experience in other hotels (Maucau, Dubai, etc) before coming here.

BUT, in Surabaya, at Shagri-la for example, the F&B director is quite young, and the last time I've been there they were looking for a manager for the club (and he specified they don't want an Indonesian). Why don't you give it a try?
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#51462 - 14 May 07 12:57 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Orang Kanada]
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and lets face it ... SBY could do with a decent bar
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#51644 - 17 May 07 07:25 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: chewwyUK]
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Quoting: chewwyUK
and lets face it ... SBY could do with a decent bar


1,000,000,000% agreed
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#51840 - 20 May 07 08:55 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Orang Kanada]
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I have some questions ........ is a "bule" simply a foreigner or is it more specific and translate as 'westerner' ? How do you pronounce that word ?

In Japan a foreigner/westerner is called a 'gaijin' which means 'hairy person' and is not particularly polite. So, is 'bule' a polite form of address ?

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#51893 - 21 May 07 01:56 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: terenjac]
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Quoting: terenjac
I have some questions ........ is a "bule" simply a foreigner or is it more specific and translate as 'westerner' ? How do you pronounce that word ?

In Japan a foreigner/westerner is called a 'gaijin' which means 'hairy person' and is not particularly polite. So, is 'bule' a polite form of address ?


Surely not polite, even if every Indonesian use it. It means albinos, refering to the white skin. Personaly, it makes me feel like a rabbit... my eyes aren't red!
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#51901 - 21 May 07 04:07 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Orang Kanada]
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Wrong , bules refer to each other as bules , therefore how can it be impolite ?

In the western world the vast majority would be refered to as bell ends and twats ; they should count themselves lucky that Indonesians are reasonably polite / don't have a particularly large vocabulary of insults .

In the UK a foreigner is addressed as follows :-

1) Two big Macs and fries please .

2) Yes this is my passport ..
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#51909 - 21 May 07 08:26 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Gaijin is used by the japanese .. when I was there i got the impression that it had a negative meaning (although acceptable)

Bule .... never heard it used in a negative way and see know problem with it

Captain .... nice positing
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#51944 - 21 May 07 15:55 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: chewwyUK]
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Most expatriates don't mind being called 'bule' by other 'bule' perhaps in the same way a black man can get away with calling his fellow African a 'nigger'. Me personally, I am uncomfortable with being called a bule by an Indonesian. The tone of the "hey bule" in a crowded market place by surly unwashed youth, for example, surely does not have a positive meaning. The rest of the people who use the term, are simply ignorant. So, my point is I suppose, is that the vast majority of people you use the word are either intentionally racist or just plain ignorant. I think the key that most have to understand is that if there is a chance of somebody finding a particular word insulting, then don't fucking use it. Much the same way you won't find me using the word 'nigger'. And I bet most Indonesians of Chinese origin simply hate being called 'Orang Cina'.

And while I am on it, my campaign to educate road users has failed terribly so I am now on a one-man missi to stop people calling me sir instead of Mr. Anal?
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#51953 - 21 May 07 20:32 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Piss Salon]
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Quoting: Piss Salon
Most expatriates don't mind being called 'bule' by other 'bule' perhaps in the same way a black man can get away with calling his fellow African a 'nigger'. Me personally, I am uncomfortable with being called a bule by an Indonesian. The tone of the "hey bule" in a crowded market place by surly unwashed youth, for example, surely does not have a positive meaning. The rest of the people who use the term, are simply ignorant. So, my point is I suppose, is that the vast majority of people you use the word are either intentionally racist or just plain ignorant. I think the key that most have to understand is that if there is a chance of somebody finding a particular word insulting, then don't fucking use it. Much the same way you won't find me using the word 'nigger'. And I bet most Indonesians of Chinese origin simply hate being called 'Orang Cina'.

And while I am on it, my campaign to educate road users has failed terribly so I am now on a one-man missi to stop people calling me sir instead of Mr. Anal?


I must be fairly fortunate - I don't get addressed in that manner by anyone - I don't know if it is a matter of integration (and I'm not saying that you aren't integrated) , or possibly just fear - but it really doesn't happen .
The term does seem to get used by people for aren't always as educated as they could be - but if you take a look at some posting here (by a supposedly educated woman) there are frequent referals to bules - as I said , it doesn't bother me - a few choice words can soon regain a little respect .

Amusingly many of the "ladies" who use the term bule spend their life striving to get white skin using all manner of creams and unguents -

It is important to note that us bules are forced into an artifcial world of political correctness , the truth is that the world is racist , it is the way it is , and to say otherwise is extremely blinkered and naive .
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#51955 - 21 May 07 20:37 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: terenjac]
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Quoting: terenjac
I have some questions ........ is a "bule" simply a foreigner or is it more specific and translate as 'westerner' ? How do you pronounce that word ?

In Japan a foreigner/westerner is called a 'gaijin' which means 'hairy person' and is not particularly polite. So, is 'bule' a polite form of address ?


Strange really when you consider that many jap girls have a bush like a slit in the side of a horsehair sofa - then they call us hairy.
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I also made a vegetarian version,with tempe and tofu chunks for myself and others.Get over it.
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#51970 - 21 May 07 22:23 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Quoting: terenjac
I have some questions ........ is a "bule" simply a foreigner or is it more specific and translate as 'westerner' ? How do you pronounce that word ?

In Japan a foreigner/westerner is called a 'gaijin' which means 'hairy person' and is not particularly polite. So, is 'bule' a polite form of address ?


Strange really when you consider that many jap girls have a bush like a slit in the side of a horsehair sofa - then they call us hairy.


Hahahahahah. I am quoting this so you don't wake up in the morning and delete it all.
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#51972 - 21 May 07 22:31 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Piss Salon]
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Quoting: Piss Salon
Most expatriates don't mind being called 'bule' by other 'bule' perhaps in the same way a black man can get away with calling his fellow African a 'nigger'. Me personally, I am uncomfortable with being called a bule by an Indonesian. The tone of the "hey bule" in a crowded market place by surly unwashed youth, for example, surely does not have a positive meaning. The rest of the people who use the term, are simply ignorant. So, my point is I suppose, is that the vast majority of people you use the word are either intentionally racist or just plain ignorant. I think the key that most have to understand is that if there is a chance of somebody finding a particular word insulting, then don't fucking use it. Much the same way you won't find me using the word 'nigger'. And I bet most Indonesians of Chinese origin simply hate being called 'Orang Cina'.

And while I am on it, my campaign to educate road users has failed terribly so I am now on a one-man missi to stop people calling me sir instead of Mr. Anal?


Well said PS. The way the say it seems like "hey nigger" ugh verry arrogant... i dont like it either...
Is there any name that we can call them?? laugh
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#51977 - 22 May 07 01:53 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Piss Salon]
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Quoting: Piss Salon
Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Quoting: terenjac
I have some questions ........ is a "bule" simply a foreigner or is it more specific and translate as 'westerner' ? How do you pronounce that word ?

In Japan a foreigner/westerner is called a 'gaijin' which means 'hairy person' and is not particularly polite. So, is 'bule' a polite form of address ?


Strange really when you consider that many jap girls have a bush like a slit in the side of a horsehair sofa - then they call us hairy.


Hahahahahah. I am quoting this so you don't wake up in the morning and delete it all.


I have never deleted one yet Piss -
Have I made a mistake , are they all bald as a badger ?
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#51980 - 22 May 07 02:18 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Queenie]
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Quoting: Queenie
Quoting: Piss Salon
Most expatriates don't mind being called 'bule' by other 'bule' perhaps in the same way a black man can get away with calling his fellow African a 'nigger'. Me personally, I am uncomfortable with being called a bule by an Indonesian. The tone of the "hey bule" in a crowded market place by surly unwashed youth, for example, surely does not have a positive meaning. The rest of the people who use the term, are simply ignorant. So, my point is I suppose, is that the vast majority of people you use the word are either intentionally racist or just plain ignorant. I think the key that most have to understand is that if there is a chance of somebody finding a particular word insulting, then don't fucking use it. Much the same way you won't find me using the word 'nigger'. And I bet most Indonesians of Chinese origin simply hate being called 'Orang Cina'.

And while I am on it, my campaign to educate road users has failed terribly so I am now on a one-man missi to stop people calling me sir instead of Mr. Anal?


Well said PS. The way the say it seems like "hey nigger" ugh verry arrogant... i dont like it either...
Is there any name that we can call them?? laugh


Most "Indonesians of Chinese origin " have no intention of integration , some would say uncle Harto had the right idea on that front - do they expect NOT to be called "Wong Tjiongo" ? It is only a statement of fact , that is what that are , and what they wish to remain .
I state again , that many westerners have such an extreme desire to appease (because of past events) that they won't consider making any statement that could by any stretch of imagination be considered "racist" -
No one dares to call Indians racist , and they knowlingly and willingly partake in racism of the highest order .
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#51981 - 22 May 07 06:56 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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No one dares to call Indians racist , and they knowlingly and willingly partake in racism of the highest order .
One of the most unpleasant experiences I ever had was in the Indian Consulate in Dubai to obtain a visa to perform some work for ONGC offshore Bombay.

Ignorant Bastards! They hated me and let me know it. And then the guy behind the counter stated he was moving to the UK to be with the rest of his family. Nealy strangled the cunt!

But, there is a reason for this behaviour and the following article explains why!

Condoms 'too big' for Indian men
BBC News, Delhi


A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.

The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.

It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.

The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.

Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.

The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.

The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.

Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large.

The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate.

And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation.

Mr Puri said that since Indians would be embarrassed about going to a chemist to ask for smaller condoms there should be vending machines dispensing different sizes all around the country.

"Smaller condoms are on sale in India. But there is a lack of awareness that different sizes are available. There is anxiety talking about the issue. And normally one feels shy to go to a chemist's shop and ask for a smaller size condom."

That explains a lot!

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#52042 - 22 May 07 17:41 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Dilli]
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"The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.

Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre."

Just a quick question. How do the scientists know when the subject has achieved maximum erection? Is it like till they get to page nine of the supplied 'reading material' or when they puff 'I'm about to blow doctor'.

And did they use female doctors?

Anyway, three to five cm seems, ironically, rather too large to be a statistical margin of error.

Queenie, I just inquire politely if they would like to be labeled orang hitam.
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#52048 - 22 May 07 19:40 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Piss Salon]
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To make it simple Terenjac, Indonesians use 'misterrr' as a polite address form, and then call us 'bule' between them. So here's your answer, plain and simple, have your own conclusions.
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#52051 - 22 May 07 21:05 Re: how does a bule get a job, any job, in jakarta? [Re: Orang Kanada]
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I wish it was as simple as that OK ...
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I also made a vegetarian version,with tempe and tofu chunks for myself and others.Get over it.
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