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#48194 - 24 Mar 07 12:07 Canada bans DPR member
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Earlier this week, Canadian officials banned Indonesian legislator Tamsil Linrung (PKS member) from flying to Canada. They apparently were persuaded by the USA to deny him entry due to his strong links to terrorists.

The affair has caused a bit of an uproar with strong criticism of both the USA and Canada flying fast and thick from the DPR and Indonesian media.

But why would Canada, or the US, not allow him? Well let's take a closer look at Mr. Linrung.


He most definitely has a checkered past that certainly raises a ton of red flags!

March 2002: Arrested along with brother-in-law Agus Dwikarna with bomb materials in Manila after meeting with convicted terrorist Fathur Rohman al Ghozi in southern Philippines.

Agus and Linrung, both from Makassar, have long history of involvement in terror groups. Agus was (before his imprisonment in RP) the coordinator of Laskar Jundullah, a terror group advocating the imposition of Islamic law in Indonesia, and a senior official of the Indonesian Mujahidin Council (MMI -- Ayam Bakar Basher's gang). Tamsil Linrung is a member of the advisory
board of the Committee for the Preparation of the Enforcement of Islamic Law and former treasurer of the National Mandate Party (PAN)....
Agus has also told the Philippine police that he is the overall commander of Laskar Jundullah (which was/is the main terror group in the POSO wars) and a chapter head of Dewan Dakwah Islamiyah (DDI).

After Linrung was released from custody in April 2002 -- due to intervention by then-president Megawati (remember this is 6 months before the Bali Bomb and Indonesia still was living in total denial about its home-grown terror groups) -- he was given a triumphant welcome back to Jakarta by a who's who of terror groups (MMI, FPI, PKS, DDI, Laskar Jihad and Jundullah). Shortly thereafter, he left PAN and was welcomed with open arms by the Prosperous Justice Party (PKS). In the 2004 elections, the PKS nominated him as their #1 candidate in Makassar, which all but guaranteed him a seat in the National Legislature (DPR).

Now he's a member of DPR Commission IV (Agriculture, Plantations, Forestry, Marine, fisheries and Food) and a member of the DPR Budget Finalization Committee.

In 2006: The DPR's disciplinary council uncovered three serious offenses involving Linrung, however his only punishment was being officially labeled "unscrupulous" by the disciplinary council. He was found to be serving as an illegal broker in the marked-up procurement of medical equipment for disaster-stricken provinces.
The PKS took no action against him.

He has also been "warned" by Indonesian officials for his direct involvement in the Poso, C. Sulawesi bloodshed.


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NOW THE QUESTION IS:

Am I missing something here? They've all but proven he's guilty of possessing and transporting bombs, deeply involved in the Poso terror and corrupt as a moonshine-swilling Kentucky politician handing out 3-dollar bills. AND YET, the Indonesian police, the Parliament and his own party still defend him and allow him to remain in a position of power. His days as PAN treasurer and his "brokering" in disaster-stricken provinces must have been very lucrative, so much so, that he can pay all those people to be remain as blind as a sick animal's instinct to seek privacy beneath the porch.
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#48217 - 24 Mar 07 15:03 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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Here's another Arab wannabe and mass murderer...



He is the leader of Sudan Omar al-Bashir. Of course, these guys all feel like they gotta "make their bones" to impress their Arab big brothers via mass murder and copying the way the Arabs dress. This man has killed over 300,000 fellow Muslim civilians in Darfur (western Sudan), but they are a darker, "more African", ethnic group.
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#48218 - 24 Mar 07 15:16 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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Patung also has a compilation of stories on Tamsil Linrung here:
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1183/tamsil-linrung/
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#48326 - 26 Mar 07 16:51 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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There were allegations that TL and AD were set-up by BIN at Mmanila a/p, apparently a BIN officer was present when the Filipino police arrested them....also allegations that they witnessed the cops placing the explosives in their suitcases....

Megawati's no.2 was Hamzah Haz, the most politically powerful terrorist lover this country has ever seen, it is most likely he and his posse of fellow Islamic fascists currently on the Saudi payroll who intervened to get TL off the hook.

AD was actually a member of the KPPI, a Muslim group wanting Sharia in South Sulawesi, Laskar Jundallah was the militant wing.

TL was a member of Kompak, another charity organisation that also has a militant wing...

Good on the Canuks and Yanks, i say, he is a terrorist, an embarassment to all decent Indonesians and should be liquidated imo.......
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#48900 - 03 Apr 07 11:10 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: naga]
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On March 23rd Yudhi Chrisnandi, a Golkar member from the parliamentary commission for foreign and defence affairs threatened to act against the USA and Canada if they did not make amends to Tamsil on this case. Well here it is April 3rd and neither the USA nor Canada has responded in any way....

So then Yudhi, where's your backbone? Why don't you do something as promised? Bigger question, why doesn't the local media ask him these questions?!!
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#48939 - 04 Apr 07 07:18 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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Great review from the boy Hitchens (pasted)

Facing the Islamist Menace
Christopher Hitchens

Mark Steyn's new book is a welcome wake-up call.

In the prologue to his new book, America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It, Mark Steyn sarcastically alludes to two people whom, in different ways, I know well. The first is novelist Martin Amis, ridiculed by Steyn for worrying about environmental apocalypse when the threat to civilization is obviously Islamism; the second is Jack Straw, formerly Tony Blair's foreign secretary, mocked for the soft and conciliatory line he took over the affair of the Danish cartoons. The dazzling fiction writer and the pedestrian social-democratic politician are for Steyn dual exemplars of his book's main concern: the general apathy and surrender of the West in the face of a determined assault from a religious ideology, or an ideological religion, afflicted by no sickly doubt about what it wants or by any scruples about how to get it.

I might quibble about Steyn's assessment'Amis has written brilliantly about Mohammed Atta's death cult, for example, while Jack Straw made one of the best presentations to the UN of the case for liberating Iraq. But it's more useful to point out two things that have happened between the writing of this admirably tough-minded book and its publication. Jack Straw, now the leader of the House of Commons, made a speech in his northern English constituency in October, in which he said that he could no longer tolerate Muslim women who came to his office wearing veils. The speech catalyzed a long-postponed debate not just on the veil but on the refusal of assimilation that it symbolizes. It seems to have swung the Labour Party into a much firmer position against what I call one-way multiculturalism. Prime Minister Tony Blair confirmed the shift with a December speech emphasizing the 'duty' of immigrants to assimilate to British values. And Martin Amis, speaking to the London Times, had this to say:
There's a definite urge'don't you have it''to say, 'The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order.' What sort of suffering' Not letting them travel. Deportation'further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or from Pakistan. . . . Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children. . . . They hate us for letting our children have sex and take drugs'well, they've got to stop their children killing people.

I know both of these men to be profoundly humanistic and open-minded. Straw has defended the rights of immigrants all his life and loyally represents a constituency with a large Asian population. Amis has rebuked me several times in print for supporting the intervention in Iraq, the casualties of which have become horrifying to him. Even five years ago, it would have been unthinkable to picture either man making critical comments about Islamic dress, let alone using terms such as 'deportation.' Mark Steyn's book is essentially a challenge to the bien-pensants among us: an insistence that we recognize an extraordinary threat and thus the possible need for extraordinary responses. He need not pose as if he were the only one with the courage to think in this way.

The most alarming sentences that I have read in a long time came from the pen of my fellow atheist Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith, at the end of a September Los Angeles Times column upbraiding American liberals for their masochistic attitude toward Islamist totalitarianism. Harris concluded:
The same failure of liberalism is evident in Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists. To say that this does not bode well for liberalism is an understatement: It does not bode well for the future of civilization [italics mine].

As Martin Amis said in the essay that prompted Steyn's contempt: 'What is one to do with thoughts like these'' How does one respond, in other words, when an enemy challenges not just your cherished values but additionally forces you to examine the very assumptions that have heretofore seemed to underpin those values'

Two things, in my experience, disable many liberals at the onset of this conversation. First, they cannot shake their subliminal identification of the Muslim religion with the wretched of the earth: the black- and brown-skinned denizens of what we once called the 'Third World.' You can see this identification in the way that the Palestinians (about 20 percent of whom were Christian until their numbers began to decline) have become an 'Islamic' cause and in the amazing ignorance that most leftists display about India, a multiethnic secular democracy under attack from al-Qaida and its surrogates long before the United States was. And you can see it, too, in the stupid neologism 'Islamophobia,' which aims to promote criticism of Islam to the gallery of special offenses associated with racism.

The second liberal disability concerns numbers. Any emphasis on the relative birthrates of Muslim and non-Muslim populations falls on the liberal ear like an echo of eugenics. It also upsets one of the most valued achievements of the liberal consensus: the right if not indeed the duty to limit family size to (at most) two children. It was all very well, from this fatuously self-satisfied perspective, for Paul Ehrlich to warn about the human 'population bomb' as a whole, just as it is all very well for some 'Green' forces to take a neo-Malthusian attitude toward human reproduction in general. But in the liberal mind, to concentrate on the fertility of any one group is to flirt with Nuremberg laws. The same goes for 'racial profiling,' even when it's directed at the adherents of an often ideological religion rather than an ethnic group. The Islamists, meanwhile, have staked everything on fecundity.

Mark Steyn believes that demography is destiny, and he makes an immensely convincing case. He stations himself at the intersection of two curves. The downward one is the population of developed Europe and Japan, which has slipped or is slipping below what demographers call 'replacement,' rapidly producing a situation where the old will far outnumber the young. The upward curve, or curves, represent the much higher birthrate in the Islamic world and among Muslim immigrants to Western societies. Anticipating Harris in a way, Steyn writes:
Why did Bosnia collapse into the worst slaughter in Europe since World War Two' In the thirty years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 percent to 31 percent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 percent to 44 percent. In a democratic age, you can't buck demography'except through civil war. The Serbs figured that out'as other Continentals will in the years ahead: if you can't outbreed the enemy, cull 'em. The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire continent.

This is a highly reductionist view of the origin and nature of the Bosnian war'it would not account, for example, for Croatian irredentism. But paranoia about population did mutate into Serbian xenophobia and fascism, and a similar consciousness does animate movements like the British National Party and Le Pen's Front Nationale. (Demographic considerations do not appear to explain the continued addiction of these and similar parties to anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.)

Nor can there be much doubt that the awareness of demography as a potential weapon originates with the Islamists themselves. Anybody who, like me, has publicly criticized Islamism gets used to the accusation that he has 'insulted a billion Muslims.' A vague but definite threat underlies this absurd charge, and in parts of Europe it already intimidates politicians. Gilles Kepel, the French scholar of Islam, once told me that when he lectures in North Africa his listeners often ask how many Muslims live in France. If he replies that he believes the official figures to be mostly correct, scornful laughter erupts. The true figure, his listeners say, is much higher. France is on its way to becoming part of the dar-al-Islam. It is leaving the dar-al-Harb ('House of War'), but without a fight. Steyn has no difficulty producing equally minatory public statements from Islamist triumphalists. And, because his argument is exponential, it creates an impression of something unstoppable.

Yet Steyn makes the same mistake as did the late Oriana Fallaci: considering European Muslim populations as one. Islam is as fissile as any other religion (as Iraq reminds us). Little binds a Somali to a Turk or an Iranian or an Algerian, and considerable friction exists among immigrant Muslim groups in many European countries. Moreover, many Muslims actually have come to Europe for the advertised purposes'seeking asylum and to build a better life. A young Afghan man, murdered in the assault on the London subway system in July 2005, had fled to England from the Taliban, which had murdered most of his family. Muslim women often demand the protection of the authorities against forced marriage and other cruelties. These are all points of difference, and also of possible resistance to Euro-sharia.

The main problem in Europe in this context is that many deracinated young Muslim men, inflamed by Internet propaganda from Chechnya or Iraq and aware of their own distance from 'the struggle,' now regard the jihadist version of their religion as the 'authentic' one. Compounding the problem, Europe's multicultural authorities, many of its welfare agencies, and many of its churches treat the most militant Muslims as the minority's 'real' spokesmen. As Kenan Malik and others have pointed out in the case of Britain, this mind-set cuts the ground from under the feet of secular Muslims, encouraging the sensation that many in the non-Muslim Establishment have a kind of death wish.

Steyn cannot seem to make up his mind about the defense of secularism in this struggle. He regards Christianity as a bulwark of civilization and a possible insurance against Islamism. But he cannot resist pointing out that most of the Christian churches have collapsed into compromise: choosing to speak of Muslims as another 'faith community,' agreeing with them on the need for confessional-based schooling, and reserving their real condemnation for American policies in the war against terrorism.

This is not to deny Steyn's salient point that demography and cultural masochism, especially in combination, are handing a bloodless victory to the forces of Islamization. His gift for the illustrative anecdote and the revealing quotation is evident, and if more people have woken up to the Islamist menace since he began writing about it, then the credit is partly his. Muslims in one part of England demand the demolition of an ancient statue of a wild boar, and in another part of England make plots to blow up airports, buses, and subway trains. The two threats are not identical. But they are connected, and Steyn attempts to tease out the filiations with the saving tactic of wit.

I still think -- or should I say hope -- that the sheer operatic insanity of September 11 set back the Islamist project of a 'soft' conquest of host countries, Muslim countries included. Up until 9/11, the Talibanization of Pakistan'including the placement of al-Qaida sympathizers within its nuclear program'proceeded fairly smoothly. Official Pakistani support for Muslim gangsters operating in Afghanistan, Kashmir, and India went relatively unpunished. Saudi funds discreetly advanced the Wahhabist program, through madrassa-building and a network of Islamic banking, across the globe. In the West, Muslim demands for greater recognition and special treatment had become an accepted part of the politically correct agenda. Some denounced me as cynical for saying at the time that Osama bin Laden had done us a favor by disclosing the nature and urgency of the Islamist threat, but I still think I was right. Both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have had to trim their sails a bit. The Taliban will at least never be able to retake power by stealth or as a result of our inattention. Millions have become aware of the danger'including millions of Shi'a Muslims who now see the ideology of bin Laden and Zarqawi as a menace to their survival. Groups and cells that might have gotten away with murder have wound up unmasked and shut down, from Berlin to Casablanca.

Of course, these have not been the only consequences of September 11 and its aftermath. Islamist suicide-terrorism has mutated into new shapes and adopted fresh grievances as a result of the mobilization against it. Liberalism has found even more convoluted means of blaming itself for the attack upon it. But at least the long period of somnambulism is over, and the opportunity now exists for antibodies to form against the infection.

Steyn ends his book with a somewhat slapdash ten-point program for resistance to Islamism, which includes offhand one-line items such as 'End the Iranian regime' and more elaborate proposals to get rid of the United Nations, the International Atomic Energy Authority, and (for some reason) NATO. His tenth point ('Strike militarily when the opportunity presents itself') is barely even a makeweight to bring the figure up to ten.

Steyn is much more definite about the cultural side of his argument, in other words, than about the counterterrorist dimension. If I wanted to sharpen both prongs of his thesis, I would also propose the following:

1. An end to one-way multiculturalism and to the cultural masochism that goes with it. The Koran does not mandate the wearing of veils or genital mutilation, and until recently only those who apostasized from Islam faced the threat of punishment by death. Now, though, all manner of antisocial practices find themselves validated in the name of religion, and mullahs have begun to issue threats even against non-Muslims for criticism of Islam. This creeping Islamism must cease at once, and those responsible must feel the full weight of the law. Meanwhile, we should insist on reciprocity at all times. We should not allow a single Saudi dollar to pay for propaganda within the U.S., for example, until Saudi Arabia also permits Jewish and Christian and secular practices. No Wahhabi-printed Korans anywhere in our prison system. No Salafist imams in our armed forces.

2. A strong, open alliance with India on all fronts, from the military to the political and economic, backed by an extensive cultural exchange program, to demonstrate solidarity with the other great multiethnic democracy under attack from Muslim fascism. A hugely enlarged quota for qualified Indian immigrants and a reduction in quotas from Pakistan and other nations where fundamentalism dominates.

3. A similarly forward approach to Nigeria, São Tomé and Príncipe, and the other countries of Western Africa that are under attack by jihadists and are also the location of vast potential oil reserves, whose proper development could help emancipate the local populations from poverty and ourselves from dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

4. A declaration at the UN of our solidarity with the right of the Kurdish people of Iraq and elsewhere to self-determination as well as a further declaration by Congress that in no circumstance will Muslim forces who have fought on our side, from the Kurds to the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, find themselves friendless, unarmed, or abandoned. Partition in Iraq would be defeat under another name (and as with past partitions, would lead to yet further partitions and micro-wars over these very subdivisions). But if it has to come, we cannot even consider abandoning the one part of the country that did seize the opportunity of modernization, development, and democracy.

5. Energetic support for all the opposition forces in Iran and in the Iranian diaspora. A public offer from the United States, disseminated widely in the Persian language, of help for a reformed Iran on all matters, including peaceful nuclear energy, and of assistance in protecting Iran from the catastrophic earthquake that seismologists predict in its immediate future. Millions of lives might be lost in a few moments, and we would also have to worry about the fate of secret underground nuclear facilities. When a quake leveled the Iranian city of Bam three years ago, the performance of American rescue teams was so impressive that their popularity embarrassed the regime. Iran's neighbors would need to pay attention, too: a crisis in Iran's nuclear underground facilities'an Iranian Chernobyl'would not be an internal affair. These concerns might help shift the currently ossified terms of the argument and put us again on the side of an internal reform movement within Iran and its large and talented diaspora.

6. Unconditional solidarity, backed with force and the relevant UN resolutions, with an independent and multi-confessional Lebanon.

7. A commitment to buy Afghanistan's opium crop and to keep the profits out of the hands of the warlords and Talibanists, until such time as the country's agriculture' especially its once-famous vines'has been replanted and restored. We can use the product in the interim for the manufacture of much-needed analgesics for our own market and apply the profits to the reconstruction of Afghanistan.

8. We should, of course, be scrupulous on principle about stirring up interethnic tensions. But we should remind those states that are less scrupulous'Iran, Pakistan, and Syria swiftly come to mind'that we know that they, too, have restless minorities and that they should not make trouble in Afghanistan, Lebanon, or Iraq without bearing this in mind. Some years ago, the Pakistani government announced that it would break the international embargo on the unrecognized and illegal Turkish separatist state in Cyprus and would appoint an ambassador to it, out of 'Islamic solidarity.' Cyprus is a small democracy with no armed forces to speak of, but its then'foreign minister told me the following story. He sought a meeting with the Pakistani authorities and told them privately that if they recognized the breakaway Turkish colony, his government would immediately supply funds and arms to one of the secessionist movements'such as the Baluchis'within Pakistan itself. Pakistan never appointed an ambassador to Turkish Cyprus.

When I read Sam Harris's irresponsible remark that only fascists seemed to have the right line, I murmured to myself: 'Not while I'm alive, they won't.' Nor do I wish to concede that Serbo-fascist ethnic cleansing can appear more rational in retrospect than it did at the time. The Islamist threat itself may be crude, but this is an intricate cultural and political challenge that will absorb all of our energies for the rest of our lives: we are all responsible for doing our utmost as citizens as well as for demanding more imagination from our leaders.
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#48994 - 05 Apr 07 08:46 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Wow, Christopher Hitchens and Roy's Hair going in for a rabid pro-american right winger like Steyn. Is Hitchens gay? There was an article recently that the resistance to Islam in Europe is led by gays, the straights are too limp-wristed.
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#48998 - 05 Apr 07 09:48 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Patung]
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yeah. The Islamists intolerance kind o turn us liberals into fascists as the Hitch-meister noted which doesn't bode well for the future. I reckon that guy at the top is gay though - just look at his hat. I reckon the Shariaists are going to roger us to death.
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#49002 - 05 Apr 07 10:09 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Roy's Hair]
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As much as i luv a good CH polemic, he's coming across as the drunken has-been that he is these days...

Isn't MS the knobber who recently published a book arguing that USA won the Vietnam War??

correct me if i'm wrong..
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#49041 - 05 Apr 07 14:27 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: naga]
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I think the left is as confused as they ever have been on this, even more than they are on the Globalization/WTO issue.

Double standards galore. They hate Bush and the NeoCons so much it has totally blinded them to the things they've always stood against -- totalitarian fascism, female abuse/oppression, denial of basic freedoms etc. These are all the things that fundamentalist Islam espouses and is forcing on people, while the Left "allows" it to creep up on societies. It's gotta be the most bizarre paradox in history.

Here's what Hitchens has to say on that point:

The most alarming sentences that I have read in a long time came from the pen of my fellow atheist Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith, at the end of a September Los Angeles Times column upbraiding American liberals for their masochistic attitude toward Islamist totalitarianism. Harris concluded:
The same failure of liberalism is evident in Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists. To say that this does not bode well for liberalism is an understatement: It does not bode well for the future of civilization...

.../...

Two things, in my experience, disable many liberals at the onset of this conversation. First, they cannot shake their subliminal identification of the Muslim religion with the wretched of the earth: the black- and brown-skinned denizens of what we once called the 'Third World.' You can see this identification in the way that the Palestinians (about 20 percent of whom were Christian until their numbers began to decline) have become an 'Islamic' cause and in the amazing ignorance that most leftists display about India, a multiethnic secular democracy under attack from al-Qaida and its surrogates long before the United States was. And you can see it, too, in the stupid neologism 'Islamophobia,' which aims to promote criticism of Islam to the gallery of special offenses associated with racism.

The second liberal disability concerns numbers. Any emphasis on the relative birthrates of Muslim and non-Muslim populations falls on the liberal ear like an echo of eugenics. It also upsets one of the most valued achievements of the liberal consensus: the right if not indeed the duty to limit family size to (at most) two children. It was all very well, from this fatuously self-satisfied perspective, for Paul Ehrlich to warn about the human 'population bomb' as a whole, just as it is all very well for some 'Green' forces to take a neo-Malthusian attitude toward human reproduction in general. But in the liberal mind, to concentrate on the fertility of any one group is to flirt with Nuremberg laws. The same goes for 'racial profiling,' even when it's directed at the adherents of an often ideological religion rather than an ethnic group. The Islamists, meanwhile, have staked everything on fecundity.

.../...
Anybody who, like me, has publicly criticized Islamism gets used to the accusation that he has 'insulted a billion Muslims.' A vague but definite threat underlies this absurd charge, and in parts of Europe it already intimidates politicians.
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#60996 - 13 Sep 07 08:13 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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he ricardo you dont no jack. Because Bahir is dark does not mean he is not an arab. Many arabs have black skin and are full blooded. Looked at his eyes he is full blooded arab. There a whole tribes of black skinned arabs. Don't you ever insult us. Some mixed with blacks its true, but some are black skinned and full blooded. Do your reseach first. Wanna be arab my ass he is full blooded

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#60998 - 13 Sep 07 08:18 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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hey idiot its our historical dress. Show any arab the clothes bashir is wearing wether they are form kuwait or iraq and he will tell you its sudanes wear. arab in each country dress differently yet similar. And hey fuck head arab is not a skin color. Its a race. Think about it

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#61004 - 13 Sep 07 08:41 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: janjaweed]
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I can see that you are going to endear yourself to this community very quickly janja....
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#61006 - 13 Sep 07 08:47 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: janjaweed]
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You go on there Miss Janjaweed and keep murdering and raping those darker Sudanese -- 2 million down, 5 million to go. I'm sure you also believe it's an insult to accuse you and your ilk of mass murder and genocide.
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#61022 - 13 Sep 07 10:21 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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Darfur. It's the Muslim holocaust.
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#61031 - 13 Sep 07 10:53 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Roy's Hair]
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how come this terrorist guy became a DPR? i dont get it!

PS: janja"weed" you need change! its really stink in here!
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#61063 - 13 Sep 07 14:06 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Dilli]
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Quoting: Dilli
I can see that you are going to endear yourself to this community very quickly janja....


And it says he's from Arizona. Wonder how he's endearing himself to THAT community.
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#61065 - 13 Sep 07 14:10 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Think he's a she! Chadian, probably no problem there as the Chadians look very similar to African Americans.... except for the rhetoric which would be a dead giveaway in downtown Tucson.
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#61068 - 13 Sep 07 14:35 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: janjaweed]
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Quoting: janjaweed
hey idiot its our historical dress. Show any arab the clothes bashir is wearing wether they are form kuwait or iraq and he will tell you its sudanes wear. arab in each country dress differently yet similar. And hey fuck head arab is not a skin color. Its a race. Think about it


hahahahha... gotta love this. Best posting for today.
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#61073 - 13 Sep 07 16:05 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: emmajkt]
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Yep, ganjaweed, you've convinced us all, mission complete.
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#61078 - 13 Sep 07 16:53 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Dilli]
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Quoting: Dilli
I can see that you are going to endear yourself to this community very quickly janja....


Fuck me - two people at such polar extremes that it is almost poetic - as Dilli says , you are bound to endear yourself about as much as Riccardo does on occasions.
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#61079 - 13 Sep 07 17:14 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: janjaweed]
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Quoting: janjaweed
hey idiot its our historical dress. Show any arab the clothes bashir is wearing wether they are form kuwait or iraq and he will tell you its sudanes wear. arab in each country dress differently yet similar. And hey fuck head arab is not a skin color. Its a race. Think about it


THE KEY to this history is that the Sudanese are not ethnically Arab, even though the country is within the realm of Arab civilization. As their dark skin attests, the Sudanese are Africans of diverse ethnic stock.
- By Milton Viorst, in Sudan's Islamic Experiment, Foreign Affairs, Spring, 1995

Also notice in the photo below these Arab people. Take particular notice of their skin color and nose shape, then compare that to your boy Omar i'll Bash-her in the pic below that and tell me honestly if you still think that he is ethnically and racially Arab:





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#61081 - 13 Sep 07 17:59 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: riccardo]
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For me it looks the same, they are all middle eastern people.....

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#61090 - 13 Sep 07 19:58 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: emmajkt]
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he's certainly not as shagable
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#61117 - 14 Sep 07 06:52 Re: Canada bans DPR member [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Roy, the other two are lebanese transvestites!
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