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#43553 - 06 Feb 07 18:53 Anybodys comes from Matraman?
Ratu Offline
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Registered: 02 Feb 07
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Loc: swiss
Hi guys,
I would like to know if one of you was born in Matraman.
Cause i was born there, and i'am Orang Betawi asli loh...
i would be verry happy if one of you guys from Matraman

btw, i still love you guys even you are not from Matraman anyway

big hug Ratu

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#43633 - 07 Feb 07 05:32 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: Ratu]
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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Registered: 07 Nov 05
Posts: 2552
Loc: Central Jakarta
Quoting: Ratu
Hi guys,
I would like to know if one of you was born in Matraman.
Cause i was born there, and i'am Orang Betawi asli loh...
i would be verry happy if one of you guys from Matraman

btw, i still love you guys even you are not from Matraman anyway

big hug Ratu


haloha Ratu, I wasn't born in Matraman and I'm not a Batavian.. but I have been live in Matraman..2 years...for me not really good but I like, coz it's near from many area in jakarta..

it's mean you "anak matraman dunk" wink
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#43636 - 07 Feb 07 05:46 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: Ratu]
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Hiya Ratu,
Nice to know you! I'm not born in Matraman, but i'm still Betawi loh hehehehe... I'm born in Ps. Minggu.
xoxoxo
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#43638 - 07 Feb 07 05:52 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: dolphin]
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An interesting question that I've discussed with people in the past: Is Betawi an actual ethnic group OR does it just describe people living in a similar area -- such as a "Californian"?

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#43641 - 07 Feb 07 06:01 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: riccardo
An interesting question that I've discussed with people in the past: Is Betawi an actual ethnic group OR does it just describe people living in a similar area -- such as a "Californian"?


easy. it's an ethnic identity. not necessarily a "race".
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#43647 - 07 Feb 07 06:21 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: riccardo]
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Well Riccardo,
Likes you know Indonesia have many cultures or etnics, betawi its just part of that. Likes sunda, java, minang, batak, bugis, and many more etc etc dech wink "All for One Indonesia!"
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#43649 - 07 Feb 07 06:27 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: dolphin]
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was born in Jakarta and grown up here. but, my parents came from other parts of Indo, does this mean I can call myself 'orang Betawi'/Jakarta?
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#43653 - 07 Feb 07 07:03 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: dolphin]
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Registered: 12 Oct 05
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Quoting: dolphin
Well Riccardo,
Likes you know Indonesia have many cultures or etnics, betawi its just part of that. Likes sunda, java, minang, batak, bugis, and many more etc etc dech wink "All for One Indonesia!"


A cultural and regional identity yes, but can it also be described as an actual ethnicity (or even ethnic identity) like ancient Javanese or Minang or Chinese? Betawi is a very recent amalgamation of Chinese, Arab, Portuguese, Bugis, Ambonese, Javanese, Sundanese, Papuan etc...

Anyway it's not so important, just an interesting question that has come up before. And for the record, most Betawi I've known in Jakarta are really good people. Perhaps because Jakarta is their true home, they are the ones who are the most serious about making it a good place to live. The 8 million other people in Jakarta all go "back to their homes" during moodick time, and never really treat Jakarta with a sense of pride, and don't care what kind of reputation they create for this city. (For instance, if you get a Betawi taxi driver from the airport, he'll be cool, straight up and proud that you've come to his home, and he'll do the right thing. If we get some driver from another place, he doesn't give a crap if he sullies the rep of Jakarta by screwing over visitors sans the KY...)

As a 6th generation Californian, I saw that a lot with the thousands of other people who'd come to live in CA from other parts of the world and the USA. No matter how long they lived there they never really cared about littering the place or exploiting it -- in a word carpetbaggers.

Time for a Betawi Governor, I say.
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#43768 - 07 Feb 07 20:13 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: riccardo]
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Thank's riccardo

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#43868 - 08 Feb 07 04:18 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: Ratu]
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How should I refer myself then? I am a chinese born Indonesian. The 5th generation here. Born in Jakarta but raised in East Java. I am a Javanese, Betawinese, or Chinese? :confuse:

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#43870 - 08 Feb 07 04:20 Re: Anybodys comes from Matraman? [Re: Just]
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Registered: 26 Feb 06
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I'm an evil scotsman and my name is Jock
And if you dont like it you can suck my 10 inch c***

I also live in Jakarta

Does that make me a Betawi!
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