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#40334 - 11 Jan 07 01:09 Islamists conquer Oz
riccardo Offline
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Radicals can't be stopped

Matthew Schulz

January 09, 2007 12:00am



THE Federal Government says it is powerless to ban a Muslim group calling for Australia to be taken over as part of an Islamic superstate.
Attorney General Phillip Ruddock said today there was not enough evidence to ban the Hizb ut-Tahrir group despite its continuing call for Australia to become part of a Caliphate or "Khilafah".

The group, already banned across the Middle East, the United Kingdom and Germany - will host a Sydney conference this month to promote an Islamic takeover.

A conference advertisement posted on internet site youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koA5hdnMCLQ&eurl= shows crowds of Muslims marching, praying and protesting to dramatic and warlike music and explosions.

In what appears to be a call to arms, the video features slogans attacking the United States and capitalism, and features militant anti-Western Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shaking his fist, before the slogan "embrace the revival"

"The Muslim world has awakened from its slumber … and is ready to resume its political destiny.

"From the darkness will emerge a new light," the video says.


In one article dubbed "The Clash of Civilisations", an anonymous author claims a clash of Western and Islamic civilizations is inevitable, and that Muslim scriptures show Islam "has come to dominate this Earth" and that Muslims "must sacrifice everything to achieve this".

"This means we must … establish the Khilafah in order that we can challenge the capitalist nations intellectually, economically, politically and militarily until we defeat them, thus liberating their peoples from the darkness and subjugation and fulfilling our own covenant with Allah," the article says.

The site today also called on Australian muslims to come to the aid of Islamist fighters in Somalia against Ethiopian forces.

But today the Federal Attorney General Phillip Ruddock said the organisation could not be banned as a terror group under current laws.

"We looked very closely at the organisation some time ago to see whether or not it met the criteria to be banned as a terrorist organisation in Australia," he told Southern Cross radio today.

The rest of the article is here with loads of reader comments:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21032622-661,00.html#
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#40337 - 11 Jan 07 01:40 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: riccardo]
riccardo Offline
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AND THE LATEST -- You gotta love the whinging about "free speech" and discrimination. Can they even see the irony here? This islamist taliban-style caliphate they want to enforce on Australia will have no freedoms whatsoever, unless one considers the freedom to carry out "honor killings"...


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BANKSTOWN CITY COUNCIL CANCELS VENUE FOR KHILAFAH CONFERENCE

10 January 2007





BANKSTOWN CITY COUNCIL CANCELS VENUE FOR KHILAFAH CONFERENCE



Sydney, Australia - The decision taken today by Bankstown City Council to cancel the venue for the up-coming Khilafah Conference displays the hollowness of the ‘free speech’ rhetoric.



Without proper explanation or consultation, the council has unilaterally withdrawn the availability of the Bankstown Town Hall as the venue for the Khilafah Conference to be held on the 27th January 2007.



Wassim Doureihi, spokesperson for Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia, says: “The decision taken today by Bankstown City Council speaks volumes of the empty rhetoric surrounding the supposed noble epitomes of western liberal democracy.”



“Bankstown City Council will have to explain to the Muslim community and the wider Australian audience why it deems it unacceptable for the Muslim community to advocate for peaceful political change in the Muslim world, to campaign for representative government in the Muslim world and to see the end of tyranny and dictatorship in the Muslim world.”



“Through its decision today, Bankstown City Council has set a dangerous precedent by transforming itself into the public thought police. The council has publicly declared that constructive political discourse is only acceptable when Islam is removed from the national conversation.”



Bankstown City Council has achieved through blatant discrimination
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#40340 - 11 Jan 07 01:55 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: riccardo]
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Its OK Ricc…..

There isn’t a Muslim fart that isn’t recorded and analysed here in Sydney. There every move will be videoed. Their phones tapped. They will be followed. If they buy a newspaper ASIO will know which one, and the phone number of the seller.

It is better to have these assholes out in the open than hiding in some camp in the jungles or desert.

We can bide our time Ricc, we can bide our time.

You know, Hitler allowed the Jews the same freedom.

Menachem Begin married Aliza wearing a Betar uniform in Poland in 1938. YES – he wore a Jewish Revolutionary Army uniform in a foreign country (he was actually Lithuanian) – and no one dare say a word.

Hitler just sat back and watched, then there was the sound of breaking glass.

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#40343 - 11 Jan 07 02:29 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Polar Bear]
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The struggle against violence in the Muslim world is much more than a struggle against murdering fanatics like the Taliban. It is also a struggle against the Islamic movements whose simplistic and virulent rhetoric often ends up sanctifying the fanatics and demonises everything else in the absolutist, unquestioning terms of all totalitarian perspectives.

Political freedom, open debate, the liberation of society to be civil, plural and humane - these are obvious remedies.
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#40410 - 11 Jan 07 11:41 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Macan Tutul]
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It's the fear!! Eurabia and Austrabia!! We'll be swamped by intolerant, women flagellating medieval types. Could be true. Whitey is a dying breed. In a world of six billion only us honkeys are reproducing responsibly i.e not very much. The Allah heads are at it like knives and popping out puppies all over the shop. Ironic when you consider the Muslim attitude to sex and sexuality. Be fruitful and multiply...but don't look while you're doing it.
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#40424 - 11 Jan 07 21:44 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Macan Tutul]
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Quoting: Macan Tutul
The struggle against violence in the Muslim world is much more than a struggle against murdering fanatics like the Taliban. It is also a struggle against the Islamic movements whose simplistic and virulent rhetoric often ends up sanctifying the fanatics and demonises everything else in the absolutist, unquestioning terms of all totalitarian perspectives.

Political freedom, open debate, the liberation of society to be civil, plural and humane - these are obvious remedies.



MT – you are correct. You usually are.

You are one of the most astute people on this site, and somewhat dangerous because you pretend to know nothing.

The real issue is the fanatics. However, in the West we control fanatics. The KKK, The NF, the right wing extremists, are al hounded and legislated out of existence.

The British National Party leaders were on trial last year for daring to tell a BNP rally in May 2004 that “sooner or later there’s going to be Islamic terrorists letting off bombs in major cities”. He said that the perpetrators would be “asylum-seekers or second-generation Pakistanis living in somewhere like Bradford”.

(By the time the case went to trial the London bombings had occurred. The governement ended up looking stupid for arresting a man for making a prediction that later came true and they were found not guilty)

Another member of the BNP was sacked because he co workers refused to work alongside him.

So - you can see in the West that the general population and the government don’t like fanatics of any form or breed.

Now look at Islamic countries. Every time a bomb goes off in the West dickhead Muslims all over the world start cheering. Not just the fanatics…..

The Indonesian government allows the publication of inflammatory articles and books. It is illegal to do that in the West.

The Indonesian people allow Islamic Fanatics to make inflammatory speeches about killing Westerners. The Western people will not allow that.

Your self appointed religious police (FPK?) “assist” the real police arrest poor girls in Blok M. The Western people would not tolerate this.

I could go on. But basically the message is this. The Indonesian people THEMSELVES have to sort out these Islamic Fanatics. At the moment you don’t. You allow these idiots to get stronger, and you never tell thme no. like naughty children, then have no idea of good or bad.

It will be no good complaining about the West not giving you a chance after Jakarta is glowing from a 50 Mt nuke strike.

And trust me, if this fundamental crap is allowed to continue this is surely where it will end.


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#40782 - 16 Jan 07 01:21 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Polar Bear]
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Yes PB it's all about fanatics, and dogma (s) and overdoses religion!!!!!! Even lots of them deny that!!!!
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#40784 - 16 Jan 07 01:39 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Macan Tutul]
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The real danger is two fold MT:

First, many of the countries containing our remaining resources are Islamic ones. And the West isn’t known to sit by and miss out on something. Whenever in history there has been a demand – ivory, gold, oil, coal, spices, etc – traders have arrived with a bloody great army and taken what they wanted. Recent history shows they haven’t lost this mentality.

Second, there are as many fanatical Christians as there are Islamic. And they are just as crazy. Here in Australia Catholics have a firm hold on the government – Until late last year abortion pills were illegal, and now they are forcing though anti abortion “counseling”. Just like fundamental Muslims they don’t give a flying fuck about anyone’s rights, they are convinced they know best, and they don’t mind killing non believers.

So – just like in the history books, sooner or later traders arrive, and when they find opposition they bring an army with them. And with the army, - urging them on with crap hymns like “onward Christian soldiers, forward into war” - come the Lunatic Christians.

They have been doing this for 300 years, and they have won every time. Of course millions die, civilizations and cultures are destroyed.

But hey, the West gets its resources, and Christianity gets spread.



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#40786 - 16 Jan 07 01:40 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Polar Bear]
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Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

Refrain


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#40788 - 16 Jan 07 01:42 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Polar Bear]
Polar Bear Offline
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Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

Refrain


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#40849 - 16 Jan 07 06:16 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Macan Tutul]
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Quoting: Macan Tutul
The struggle against violence in the Muslim world is much more than a struggle against murdering fanatics like the Taliban. It is also a struggle against the Islamic movements whose simplistic and virulent rhetoric often ends up sanctifying the fanatics and demonises everything else in the absolutist, unquestioning terms of all totalitarian perspectives.

Political freedom, open debate, the liberation of society to be civil, plural and humane - these are obvious remedies.


Very astute -
for the rest of the article :-

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,577942,00.html
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#40880 - 16 Jan 07 08:07 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Thanks James, at least I pasted the part of the truth smile
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#40881 - 16 Jan 07 08:11 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Macan Tutul]
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Not at all - would prefer to hear your views though - anyone can cut and paste.
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I also made a vegetarian version,with tempe and tofu chunks for myself and others.Get over it.
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#40882 - 16 Jan 07 08:22 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
Macan Tutul Offline
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Thanks once again, I'll James smile
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#41091 - 18 Jan 07 07:37 Re: Islamists conquer Oz [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Quoting: Roy's hair
Be fruitful and multiply...but don't look while you're doing it.


Roy - I don't know where you got your info from. Maybe you need to hit the books a little more:P.

From the video I didnt see any implications that they wanted to establish the kalifital system in Aus. Besides that the kalifital systme couldent be implemented against the will of the Australian people, so there is really not much to kick a fuss up about.

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