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#38701 - 17 Dec 06 04:59 ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat
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ANOTHER HIGH-PROFILE, SUSPICIOUS DEATH WITH ALL THE TRAITS OF A NEW ORDER, MAFIA-STYLE HIT

And the Indonesian public yawns

Hamdani Amin, former treasurer at the Election Commission (KPU), who was convicted for taking kickbacks, mysteriously died in prison this week. He was reportedly very healthy and there was a 15-cm gash on his head, but his "family" reportedly has called for his immediate burial and no post-mortem exam or autopsies. Amin had remained the Corruption Commission's (KPK) star witness, as he was the guy who doled out the proceeds to other KPU members, including the current Justice minister. The day that he got whacked, he was to meet with his attorney to provide crucial testimony, and Hamdani has repeatedly told the court that all nine KPU members were involved in corruption, but the KPK has opted not to prosecute four of them:
Hamid Awaluddin, Anas Urbaningrum, Chusnul Mariyah, Valina Singka Subekti and Ramlan Surbakti.

Hamid Awaluddin is now justice and human rights minister, while Urbaningrum has joined President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s Democrat Party.

Other mysterious deaths during the last years come to mind:
Top Human Rights activist Munir got popped aboard a Garuda flight and nobody has been held to account, despite several investigations and overwhelming evidence of involvement by the country's intelligence agency.

IN July 2001 the late Attorney General Baharuddin Lopa
unexpectedly died shortly after disembarking from a Garuda flight in Saudi Arabia where he'd gone for the haj pilgrimage. Lopa had been regarded as a person of extremely high integrity, active in the fulfilment of his tasks. The circumstances of his death have to date not been cleared up completely. The Indonesian authorities did expressly not wish to have an autopsy performed and had Lopa's body immediately transferred back to Indonesia.

Less than two months after Lopa's death, Lieutenant General
Agus Wirahadikusumah
died equally unexpectedly. The officially announced cause of his death: heart failure. The 49-year-old was considered to be THE reform-minded General
and hopes were focused on him and his work. But Agus W.K had enemies within the security forces, especially so after he had revealed a corruption scandal.

No doubts remained, however, regarding the murder of Supreme Court Judge Syaifuddin Kartasasmita. In July 2001, he was murdered in broad daylight by contract killers.
Kartasasmita had dared to sentence Tommy Suharto, to a medium
prison term on charges of corruption. Tommy was released during
Ramadan for "good behaviour" after the largest ever sentence
cuts in Indonesian judicial history.

Then there was Papuan leader Theys Eluay, who got
whacked by Kopassus. (There was so much evidence that the
military court sentenced a few low-level officers to
slap-on-the-wrist sentences, which were later nullified on appeal.) Nobody, least of all the high-level officers that ordered the hit, has been properly held accountable

All these deaths convey the same message: People in Indonesia who try to bring to light the truth about human rights violations and corruption cases, live dangerously.

AND WHY DO THESE THINGS KEEP HAPPENING, EVEN THOUGH THE NEW ORDER ERA IS SUPPOSEDLY OVER AND WE ARE IN THE SO-CALLED REFORM ERA?

One answer to this question is the fact that the Indonesian public and press are unwilling or unable (due to Fear? Ignorance? Apathy? Selfishness? OR LACK OF COURAGE?) to effect positive change consistent with the 'reform era'. One truism in politics is that "The people get the government they deserve." If Indonesians are unwilling to call for positive changes, then guess what, there will be no positive changes.
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#38702 - 17 Dec 06 05:40 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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i'm always one to support ORBA bashing, but i think you may be drawing too many long bows here.

for a start, the guy was 62. by indonesian standards, that's starting to get old. heart disease and stroke are rampant here compared to other countries, in particular because of the often very poor lifestyle habits of indonesians in general, and "big shots" in particular. i would put money on the fact that he, like the vast majority of indonesians, did very little exercise, and that he was a heavy smoker.

there he is, in prison, certainly under immense psychological pressure from a variety of sides, and he goes and plays a vigorous game of badminton. bad move for an old, unfit, overweight smoker currently under pressure!

now, you go on about the lack of post-mortem. this is really common in indonesia! the indonesian-language press frequently mentions families who are reluctant to have their relatives autopsied, because it disfigures the appearance of the corpse. keep in mind that bodies are very often put on show at indonesian funerals. it's an important part of funeral ritual.

"immediate burial" is also a very strong component of islamic funeral tradition.

your conspiacy theory is unconvincing if this is all the evidence you have to go on that he was murdered/assassinated.

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#38703 - 17 Dec 06 05:42 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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FROM THE SHOUTBOX PERTAINING TO THIS POST:

x] [Just] too many Orba's people around, still! Maybe we should have another "petrus"

[x] [KuKuKaChu] petembak misterius \:\)

[x] [riccardo] not so sure about that JUST. Petrus was an OrBa operation.

[x] [Just] i know. but then it was targeted to hit crooks, right?
[x] [Just] so i guess it wasnt all that bad...just my point of view

[x] [riccardo] Yes JUST, but that sort of "justice" will only encourage others to form stronger "petrus" groups and it becomes a vicious cycle.
[x] [riccardo] These thugs need to realize that if they kill or steal state funds, they will go to jail for life, sentenced properly and swiftly by the courts.

[x] [Just] i understand what you mean. theres always good and bad sides on everything. i think our law and the people who run it, are our biggest problem. i've experienced one myself and it wasnt a pleasant experience even though it wasnt a criminal court
[x] [Just] sometimes street laws deliver the message better, if you know what i mean

[x] [riccardo] Indeed they can. But if THE Indonesian public AND journos simply whine quietly about this stuff, nothing will be done to stop the thugs and corrupt judiciary.

[x] [snoopy] aha now we blame indonesian public...
[x] [snoopy] oooppsss no WE, YOU

[x] [Just] true! but like you said, people who want to bring the truth out are living dangerously... and we've seen so many got killed and missing up to this stage. how many more people do we have to sacrifice then? Fear, ignorance, apathy? I would probably say...
[x] [Just] We have our dreams...but it was burried deep! Hopeless perhaps?

[x] [riccardo] That's correct Snoop, the people of any country, always get the government they deserve -- or tolerate.

[x] [snoopy] no worrie Just, some people still keep working on it, few of indonesian, and it is alot of work.. and we are only YOUNG COUNTRY...

[x] [Just] its a whole lot of works! i feel like i've lived here my whole life and still have my hope high enough to see some positive changes! But how many more years do I have to wait for it to happen? Its kindna tiring..
[x] [Just] I feel myself become ignorance even sarcastic when i read about our politics, politicians, government and so on... but can you blame me for it? It is a hell of a wait!
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#38704 - 17 Dec 06 05:48 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Darn, you're fingers sure are quicker than mine, Ric! Lol

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#38705 - 17 Dec 06 05:50 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu

your conspiacy theory is unconvincing if this is all the evidence you have to go on that he was murdered/assassinated.


I agree Kuku, that it could have been a perfectly natural death by an old fellow with lots of pressure. But there are way too many unanswered questions for my liking and THE MOTIVE is very strong.

In such high-profile deaths, the government/police can easily convince the family to do a post-mortem, unless of course they had a vested interest in telling the family to demand immediate burial.

He was not unhealthy, fat or a smoker. He played badminton regularly and was about to squeal on Hamid later in the day.

Also, the age of 62 is not old for people that live in the elite, urban circles like Amin, who have not spent their life slaving away in fields or factories.
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#38706 - 17 Dec 06 05:53 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Does this mean that being an old and criminal you don't deserve to live longer? Well...humanity side: he did deserve to live! But sarcastic side: there goes another criminal wiped out from this world!
No pun intended!

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#38710 - 17 Dec 06 06:09 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Criteria for murder in most courts on this planet:
1. Strong motive (clear and established)
2. Opportunity (he was in an OrBA-run prison)
3. Direct link to the murder weapon (Far too easy to hire someone to smash him in the head [creating a 15-cm gash] or put arsenic in his morning tea)

At the very least, it would be nice if someone could definitively answer the question of the gash on his head, as well as the true state of his health. Questions that might only be answered by a proper autopsy and the public should demand that. If there's enough public pressure the family could agree. And don't give me any of this archaic tradition-religion B.S., this case is far bigger than those backward kampungan considerations.

It wouldn't do much good trying to find witnesses, because everyone who saw something is just as afraid as everyone else in Indonesia.
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#38712 - 17 Dec 06 06:13 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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granted, the 15cm gash sounds rather excessive for someone who presumably fell over as a result of a heart attack or stroke.

apparently, he died whilst being stitched up.
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#38713 - 17 Dec 06 06:16 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Affraid? Well...maybe!
But then maybe they also realise that they can never win this battle, don't you think?

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#38714 - 17 Dec 06 06:17 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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And maybe the medic doing the stitching administered him something to put him out of his misery. SEE, just too many unanswered questions, we got motive, it has the OrBa M.O. and there was plenty of opportunity.
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#38715 - 17 Dec 06 06:21 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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JUST, that is exactly the point! There are over 220 million Indonesians and just a handful of maybe a few thousand hardcore OrBa thugs and judges and politicians. 220 million against a few thousand. And Indonesians have been convinced, or frightened and cowed, into thinking they can do nothing.

As far as fear goes, there is an even better word. It's called courage.
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#38716 - 17 Dec 06 06:30 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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It takes a lot more than just courage! Those over 220 million Indonesians are mostly ordinaries. We know nothing about politics and so on. Even biggest part of them only think on how can they survive today to live for the next day. And those few thousand are mostly high educated and armed!
It's not that easy! I wish it was though...(dreaming)

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#38718 - 17 Dec 06 06:52 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: Just]
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Indeed you are correct again, JUST. But I'd say this goes deeper than mere "politics" it's about these guys stealing every citizen's tax dollars, money that should be used for development and feeding starving Indonesian children. The 220 million are thus ALLOWING THEM to steal the money while 100 million people (WB statistic) starve to death in poverty.

IF people do not care enough about their country to see through lies and manipulation, and stand up courageously, then yes, they get what they deserve.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Benjamin Franklin
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#38723 - 17 Dec 06 07:35 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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A few more quotes:

If Michelangelo had been concerned about risk, he would have
painted the Sistine floor.
--Neil Simon

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of
civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it
cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less
formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly
whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.
--Marcus Tullius Cicero, Speech in the Roman Senate - 42 B.C.

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death
your right to say it.
--Voltaire

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on
objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
--James Madison, principal author of the US Constitution

The [Nation] will fall when the politicians learn they can bribe
people with their own money.
--Alexis de Tocqueville

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--George Santayana

After all is said and done, more is said than done.
--Aesop

Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.
--George Bernard Shaw

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
--Anon.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
— Sir Edmund Burke

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.
— Martin Niemoeller

The people get the government they deserve.
--Alexis de Tocqueville



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#38731 - 17 Dec 06 08:40 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Courage is the mastery of fear, not the absence of fear.
--Mark Twain
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#38838 - 18 Dec 06 11:16 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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I agree Rich. The guy got whacked. Plain and simple.
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#38920 - 19 Dec 06 09:21 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: Piss Salon]
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We need a good leader! That's bout it.

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#38956 - 20 Dec 06 00:16 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: Just]
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This story has COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED from the media. Have I missed something? Has anyone seen a follow-up story anywhere, I can't find a single thing?

I think it's as you say JUST, maybe people simply shrugged and said, oh well, he was a criminal too.

We'll never know what happened. File it away with the Lopa case and so many others.
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#38958 - 20 Dec 06 00:36 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Quoted: I think it's as you say JUST, maybe people simply shrugged and said, oh well, he was a criminal too.

Welcome to Indonesia, Ric! I am one of those who shrugged smile. Not that I am proud of it, but I've been doing it a long time ago! Too disappointed with the system here!

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#38961 - 20 Dec 06 00:51 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Ricc, please don’t fool the girls into thinking that Western “democracy” is any better….

Western governments always “think” they know what is good for the population, and force it down out throats. Try changing things and see how far you get!

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#38964 - 20 Dec 06 00:57 Re: ORBA Mafia Whacks Rat [Re: riccardo]
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Quoting: riccardo
This story has COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED from the media. Have I missed something? Has anyone seen a follow-up story anywhere, I can find a single thing?

indonesians have very short memories. also, they've been conditioned to accept these happenings as "normal". it's going to take generations to remove the OrBa poison from this society.
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