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#38368 - 13 Dec 06 01:45 UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted
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UPI, the fastest expanding English Language Program in Indonesia is currently seeking Qualified Native English Teachers for January starts.

We are looking for teachers with an interest in teaching children of all ages, but especially at Kindergarten (TK) and Elementary School (SD) levels. We particularly have a need for teachers willing to work in the Kelapa Gading and Gading Serpong areas.

We offer very a competitive package and very attractive working hours.

For more information or to make an initial application please contact us at applicant@upi-edu.com

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#38837 - 18 Dec 06 10:45 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: bolton]
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How much?

Do you provide health care?
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#38853 - 18 Dec 06 20:06 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Piss Salon]
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Quoting: Piss Salon
How much?

Do you provide health care?


sorry Piss, you are excluded! The advert clearly said "Native English Teachers...."

you are from New Zealand not England smile smile

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#38864 - 19 Dec 06 00:56 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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Yep, there is medical cover.

Regarding other benfits, please PM me and I will be glad to give more info.

Thanks....

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#39004 - 20 Dec 06 08:13 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: bolton]
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Well you, PB, in your present guise, have simply become native.

Teachers, it seems to me, don't get paid enough and there seems to be a bit of a shortage all round. Maybe Bolton (you are English I would wager) should simply pay more.

Somebody with balls should investigate the possibility of establishing a teacher's union. It would certainly put the cat among the pigeons and result in a headline or two. And an assassination or three.
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#39006 - 20 Dec 06 08:43 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Piss Salon]
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An English teachers Union might be good, but then again…..

At least in Japan some of the bigger schools (even then not all) demand a degree before they will employ an English Teacher.

Most of the English teachers I have met (and I have met a lot) are either:

• Backpackers who cannot find any other job and/or were unemployable back home (esp. Japan)

• Bums who are in love with some girl they met on holiday and it’s the only thing they can do to be with her (esp. Thailand)

• Perverts who are teaching to get near cute students and “cheap” ayam (esp. JKT)

I usually ask “English” teachers to what extent Owen was influenced by Sassoon. The total blank looks indicates that they think I am talking about two footballers, rather than poets. frown frown frown

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#39011 - 20 Dec 06 08:58 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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Quoting: Polar Bear
I usually ask “English” teachers to what extent Owen was influenced by Sassoon. The total blank looks indicates that they think I am talking about two footballers, rather than poets. frown frown frown

bwahahahaaa! morons.

who are owen and sassoon, anyway?
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#39013 - 20 Dec 06 09:12 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Comment from the Lonely Planet site, March 2000:


Kids in Asia get enough scummy backpackers coming over here teaching them English. These scum don't care about the kids, only the wages and when they can piss off to the beach and screw the local tarts. They also know fuck-all about teaching English. basically, it's not fair on the kids. If you care about other people than yourself, then don't teach unless you're qualified. Having said that, you can still work your way through Asia - bars and guesthouses will give you jobs. The wages aren't great but at least they allow you to stay in one place for a while without costing you much.

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#39014 - 20 Dec 06 09:32 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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Wilfred Owen, was an English poet and soldier in WW1. He is regarded by some as the leading poet of the First World War. His poems were of horror and death in the trenches, and still make people shudder. He was killed in the last week of the war.

Siegfried Sassoon was his close friend, a fellow officer and poet. His style of poetry is far different to that of Owen, and also of his other friend Robert Graves (another poet officer). An excellent semi fiction book involving Sassoon was Regeneration, by Pat Barker.

The complex relationship between Graves, Sassoon and Owen is a classic study in influences of the use of English.

Example:

Graves:
So when I'm killed, don't mourn for me,
Shot, poor lad, so bold and young,
Killed and gone--don't mourn for me.
On your lips my life is hung:
O friends and lovers, you can save
Your playfellow from the grave.


Sassoon:
AT dawn the ridge emerges massed and dun
In the wild purple of the glow'ring sun,
Smouldering through spouts of drifting smoke that shroud
The menacing scarred slope; and, one by one,
Tanks creep and topple forward to the wire.
The barrage roars and lifts. Then, clumsily bowed
With bombs and guns and shovels and battle-gear,
Men jostle and climb to meet the bristling fire.

Owen:
We'd found an old Boche dug-out, and he knew,
And gave us hell, for shell on frantic shell
Hammered on top, but never quite burst through.
Rain, guttering down in waterfalls of slime
Kept slush waist high, that rising hour by hour,
Choked up the steps too thick with clay to climb.
What murk of air remained stank old, and sour
With fumes of whizz-bangs, and the smell of men
Who'd lived there years, and left their curse in the den,
If not their corpses. . . .



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#39018 - 20 Dec 06 12:01 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
Quoting: Polar Bear
I usually ask “English” teachers to what extent Owen was influenced by Sassoon. The total blank looks indicates that they think I am talking about two footballers, rather than poets. frown frown frown

bwahahahaaa! morons.

who are owen and sassoon, anyway?


I studied some English literature in university, but I've never run across these poets. Anyway, teaching TESL (English as a Second Language), TEFL (as a Foreign Language), TESOL (English to Speakers of Other Languages) etc. have nothing to do with English literature or poetry; they are completely different disciplines.

The language of almost 100 years ago has little to do with the practical language needs of international students today. What we stress is communicative practice these days. We use authentic sources in use today, like newspapers, magazine articles, videos and even computers and internet. I wouldn't even consider poetry like that in a classroon, as much as I find it beautiful.

For the record, I am qualified as a TEFL teacher, and have been teaching for a number of years. A lot of people do teach without qualifications, but what Asians and other seem to want is Native Speakers, complete with natural idiomatic speech and accents. It doesn't seem to matter that their English isn't always "perfect", whatever that may be, and that they have next to no knowledge of English grammar as such.
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#39019 - 20 Dec 06 13:24 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: xsbir]
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Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori - One of old Wilfs best known .

I would disagree that the language of 100 years ago has no relevence .

Just out of interest - if you study TEFL , then you must also be learning TESL and possibly TESOL - but the converse is probably not true . Is there actually any difference between the different disciplines ?

I suppose that Wilf Owen wouldn't mean much to an Asian student - having seen the standard of some of the written and spoken english exhibited by some , I would think that the combined works of Daffy Duck would be more fitting .

I also wonder how the fricking hell some of these guys can teach when they don't speak any local language - how can you hope to explain the subtle differences and nuances of language otherwise ?
Just a thought , possibly not a very valid one , but a thought none the less .
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#39020 - 20 Dec 06 13:52 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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TESL and TEFL are possibly Canadian terms, while TESOL is American. There's something called CELTA in Britain, and who knows what else.

TESL is survival English. These people are there in English speaking countries and that's what they need.

TEFL is taught in non-English speaking countries. It's possibly more generic, given that the students could end up anywhere English is spoken.

You're not far off when you quip that Daffy Duck is more fitting than English lit. I recommend to students that they use comic books to learn colloquial English. I've done the same while learning several languages.

When teaching TESL, like I did in Canada, there can be as many 10 different languages spoken by the students in one classroom. We are taught to teach only in English and even if we know one or more of the languages to never let on that we do. The subtle differences in English need to be learned through communicative practice and interaction just as we learned as children. It can't be done through translation, especially in a TESL context.
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#39024 - 20 Dec 06 19:59 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: xsbir]
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OK, no egos on the line, no arguments, no dick sizes.

I know that Asian students want quick cheap dirty English lessons. They don’t need English literature, just simple communication. But it would be nice if the teachers had a more in depth understanding of the language.

Two comments:

First:
English is much more complex than most people realise. I recently made a post along the lines of:

“Stalin knew how to motivate a worker”.

Try explaining it to a non English speaker. Could Stalin only motivate one worker? What was the workers name? How old was he?

The use of the singular to indicate the plural. Try explaining the grammatical rule that allows this.

This simple rule causes untold problems in communication. Yet most English teachers cannot explain it.



Second:
Wilf Owen and his band of WW1 Poets are extremely important. For the first time in the History of the Empire almost every male was gathered into one place, with one common aim.

Seriously, this had NEVER happened before. Yorkshire mill workers stood alongside Welsh coal miners and London barrow boys. Fro the first time ever the different people of England (and the Empire) met each other and started communicating.

And they communicated predominately in poetry. The growth of poetry in WW1 was phenomenal. Every other soldier and officer was scribbling out lines. Some were even published in trench magazines. I have some, and it is sad to read a poem about the death of a friend.

People like Owen and Sassoon were the rock stars on 1916. They didn’t have guitars and keyboards, but the construction of todays pop songs, even those written by kuku, are DIRECTLY related to this time. This is especially true of political or protest songs.

So when you hear Eskimo Joe singing;
Got fingernails, red wine
I wanna make you, all mine
A lot of people, underground
You wanna get there
You gotta go straight down
There's a culture, everywhere
Smoke clouds, hang in the air
It's so loud, can't hear you talk
You and I, should take a walk downtown

Remember young Wilf dying with a bullet in his brain.

Cos he helped start it.

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#39033 - 21 Dec 06 00:05 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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Quoting: Polar Bear
OK, no egos on the line, no arguments, no dick sizes.

I know that Asian students want quick cheap dirty English lessons. They don’t need English literature, just simple communication. But it would be nice if the teachers had a more in depth understanding of the language.

Two comments:

First:
English is much more complex than most people realise. I recently made a post along the lines of:

“Stalin knew how to motivate a worker”.

Try explaining it to a non English speaker. Could Stalin only motivate one worker? What was the workers name? How old was he?

The use of the singular to indicate the plural. Try explaining the grammatical rule that allows this.

This simple rule causes untold problems in communication. Yet most English teachers cannot explain it.


I completely agree, PB. First it would be better for everyone involved if English teachers took their job more seriously.

You're right: English is a wonderfully rich and complex language that often defies simple explanations. Often I have to say "I'll get back to you", and I go consult my Practical English Usage by Swan or something else for a full explanation. I may not always be up to the job, but I love the challenge.

I don't have my Swan nearby but I think your example is where the indefinite article "a" is used to indicate the general case. So the worker in your example is any worker or workers in general. You could change it to "Stalin knew how to motivate workers" with little or no change in meaning.

How about this one: "Polar Bear wouldn't hurt a fly." (Maybe he's a nice Polar Bear, or maybe he's too busy catching fish or some other prey; besides, there are no flies at the north pole.) You can't change this to "Polar Bear wouldn't hurt flies." and not have a change in meaning. Why is this?

You wouldn't hurt a fly, would you?





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#39042 - 21 Dec 06 04:28 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: xsbir]
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Anyway, anyone want a job or not? :-)

We don't employ backpackers or anyone without a degree, a teaching qualification and three years experience.

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#39043 - 21 Dec 06 04:28 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: bolton]
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or more :-)

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#39052 - 21 Dec 06 07:39 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: bolton]
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I used to hate English teachers. Now I is one.

If I worked two teaching jobs at the same time for 1.5 years does that count as three years' experience?

And bollox to all of you. Anyone can teach English. The material is all there. All it takes is a little bit of enthusiasm, energy, preparation and learning what you are jabbering on about. Having good looking available women in your class doesn't hurt either. Desire works miracles.

Have you placed an advertisement in a newspaper Bolton? I am beginning to think you are cheap. I recommend The Point.

Owen and Sassoon. A fan. You didn't mention they were fucking each other either PB. Have you read the latest Ben Elton book set in WWI? Quite funny though not very substantial. Actually, it was the second latest. Or the one before the latest release. Or ... whatever.

Pacifism was the theme. (NB Kuku. How to start a new thread.)

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#39054 - 21 Dec 06 07:50 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Piss Salon]
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Owen and Sassoon. A fan. You didn't mention they were fucking each other either PB.


No i inadvertently left out the fact that they were ramming sausage up each others butthole, but I couldn’t quite fit it into the English teacher thread.

But wait – given the latest arrests of English teachers for shagging young boys up the clacker, I can find a common theme.

Ugggh, ugggh, ugggh…….“Now there little boy, that’s your first English lesson, a short poem by Owen entitled “fuck me my asshole hurts after that…”

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#39066 - 21 Dec 06 09:25 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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PB. Was it true that Australia won WWI for the Allies?
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#39067 - 21 Dec 06 10:15 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Piss Salon]
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The USA won WW1.

The British regular army destroyed itself at Mons. The 1St British Expeditionary Force simply fought itself off the face of the earth. In my childhood they were known as “the contemptables”, because Von Kluk called them a “contemptable little army.

The Territorial Army took up the slack, holding the trenches until 1916 when Kitcheners Volunteer Army filled the gaps left by hundreds of thousands of dead TA soldiers.

The Commonwealth then took up the challenge, and thousands of Indians, Canadians and Australians laid down their lives.

And so the Empire slaughtered itself to death, mainly due to French stupidity.

France had sworn not to give up a cm of France without a fight. This allowed the Hun to pick the battlegrounds, taking the higher, drier areas and forcing the allies to fight in waterlogged swamps where they were overlooked and outgunned by Germans.

Meanwhile socialists in the UK were striking, preventing ammunition and guns from arriving on the front, and allied military leadership was completely and utterly unsuited to the prevailing forms of warfare.

Just when it looked like the Anglo French army would lose by attrition, in stepped the USA.

The rest is history.

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#39068 - 21 Dec 06 10:23 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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#39069 - 21 Dec 06 10:23 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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#39071 - 21 Dec 06 10:39 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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First World War 1914-1918
Further information: First World War
When the United Kingdom declared war on Germany at the start of the First World War, the New Zealand government followed without hesitation, despite its geographic isolation and small population. It was believed at the time that any declaration of war by the United Kingdom automatically included New Zealand.

The total number of New Zealand troops and nurses to serve overseas in 1914-18, excluding those in British and other Dominion forces, was 103,000, from a population of just over a million. Forty-two percent of men of military age served in the NZEF. 16,697 New Zealanders were killed and 41,317 were wounded during the war - a 58 percent casualty rate. Approximately a further 1,000 men died within five years of the war's end, as a result of injuries sustained, and 507 died whilst training in New Zealand between 1914 and 1918. New Zealand had the highest casualty and death rate per capita of any country involved in the war.

The First World War saw Māori soldiers serve for the first time in a major conflict with the New Zealand Army (although a number had fought in the Second Boer War when New Zealand recruiters chose to ignore British military policy of the time of disallowing 'native' soldiers). A contingent took part in the Gallipoli campaign, and later served with distinction on the Western Front as part of the New Zealand (Māori) Pioneer Battalion. 2688 Māori and 346 Pacific islanders served with New Zealand forces in total.

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#39074 - 21 Dec 06 10:49 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Piss Salon]
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Funny, i was just arguing with a guy on another site. He was claiming the Australian Army was the best fighting machine in the world.

my post:


You can JOIN the Australian Army at 53!!! You can be a grey haired retiree from some public service office and join up, then serve to 60…

You can be obese. Horribly fucking obese. They now take fat gutbuckets.

You can be a druggie. Sponge like brain? Step right up, just try not to fall over on parade and hurt yourself.

Asthma? No fucking problem, bring your oxygen tank with you.

Not the full quid? No fucking problem. No one will notice.

Criminal record? No fucking problem, fit right in. We just charged a Sergeant for selling anti tank missiles to a fuckin Arab.

Why – well no one is joining up. My Company is 6 men (seriously) and one of them is off sick most days. It should be 120 men. We need 8000 new soldiers a year, and we get 3000.

Mate, I know this army pretty well cos I lead part of it. We couldn’t stop a girl guide troop in open country.

PS – I am thinking of leaving…


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#39075 - 21 Dec 06 10:59 Re: UPI- Native English Teachers Wanted [Re: Polar Bear]
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You can't be charged with divulging state secrets for that sort of tirade against your cobbers?

I am off to inform Jendral Suparman of the state of the Diggers' Defence Force and recommend Indonesia launches a full scale invasion.
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