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#37954 - 07 Dec 06 02:38 TIME BOMB in CHINA
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CHINA'S POPULATION POLICY BACKFIRES
Massive Social Change Inevitable

Gwynne Dyer, London

We all know about the problem of China's missing girls: the tens of millions of female babies who were selectively aborted after their sex was determined by ultrasound, or were born and then just allowed to die, as families seeking sons took drastic measures to cope with the one-child-per-family rule. By 2020, China will have about forty million more men of marriageable age than it has women for them to marry. But I have just realized where the solution will come from.

Other Asian countries have a deficit of daughters, too, especially where the families of brides are still expected to provide a dowry on marriage. But nowhere else has decreed that there can be only one child per family, as China did in 1980, so the dearth of girls is far more acute in China than it is anywhere else.

It took the new law a while to be enforced nationwide, and until the mid-1980s the gender ratio in Chinese newborns remained stable at about 108 boys to 100 girls. That suggests that there was already some female infanticide going on, since the global average is about 105 or 106 male births to 100 females, but it wasn't hugely different from elsewhere. Males die in greater numbers at every age, so more male babies mean that the gender ratio is more or less even for people in their 20s and 30s (and very old people are overwhelmingly female).

By the later 1980s, the ratio in China was beginning to skew sharply in favor of male babies, and by 2000 there were 117 boys born for every 100 girls. In some mainly rural counties, according to the latest official statistics, the ratio is now up to 132 to 100. The one-child policy has been a success in curbing runaway population growth -- officials estimate that it has prevented the births of about 300 million children, who would have swollen China's current population of 1.3 billion by almost a quarter -- but the price has been very high.

That price was initially paid almost entirely by girls, but in the end there is a price to be paid by the boys as well. The children born in the late 1980s, the first to be seriously affected by the growing gender imbalance in births, are now in their late teens or just turning twenty. Almost any girl who wants a husband will find one -- but millions of the boys will not find a wife. The girls who might have married them were never born.

Two years ago, a prominent Chinese demographer publicly addressed the problem for the first time. Li Weixiong, who advises the Political Consultative Committee on population issues, warned that "such serious gender imbalance poses a major threat to the healthy, harmonious and sustainable growth of the nation's population and would trigger such crimes and social problems as abduction of women and prostitution." But it could be worse than that.

Even if the one-child policy were abolished tomorrow (which will not happen), the next twenty years will see some forty million spare males for whom there are no females reach maturity. And the "social problems" do not necessarily stop at occasional acts of abduction or a rise in prostitution.

No sane government would want to rule over a country where there are forty million unattached males between the ages of twenty and forty rattling around with nobody to go home to in the evenings. That is a recipe for riot or even revolution. So if China has not made enough girls, it will just have to import them.

China is not a country that welcomes immigration, for obvious demographic reasons but also for deeply rooted cultural reasons. There is great pride in the long history and the cultural and even racial homogeneity of the Han Chinese population, which often verges on a polite form of racism. Foreign brides often have a hard time fitting into Chinese families who are less than delighted by their son's choice. But China as a whole no longer has a choice in the matter.

Here, in China, are tens of millions of men who are condemned to lives of loneliness and celibacy, or at best furtive visits to prostitutes. But they live in a economy that is rapidly growing richer, and out there, in the poorer countries of Asia, are millions of young women who would be happy to ease their loneliness and share their prosperity. The solution is obvious, and no government on earth could stop it. No sane government would want to.

The implications of this impending huge influx of foreign brides are very large. China has never seen immigration on this scale before, and it is bound to resist the big cultural changes that come with it. Tens of millions of the next generation of children born in China will have foreign mothers, and relatives abroad who expect to be visited or to come and visit once in a while. There will be some personal tragedies, and a great deal of happiness, and at the end of it all China will be a changed place.

Changed for the better, for the most part. It's just a pity about all those Chinese girls, aborted, killed as infants or allowed to die of neglect, who won't be around to see it.

Gwynne Dyer is a London-based independent journalist.


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#37970 - 07 Dec 06 07:31 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: riccardo]
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Well, I can add another fact. many Blues and many asian girls are marrying, but not so the other way.

A lot of chinese guys had better get used to wanking.....

(they have the eyes and teeth for it anyway)

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#37973 - 07 Dec 06 08:54 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Polar Bear]
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Quoting: Polar Bear

A lot of chinese guys had better get used to wanking.....


I was thinking that too, and this article has sparked a great idea for a business. If they can't have real women, then let's flood the market with blow-up dolls! We'd have to do loads of hip advert campaigns to make it "cool" and socially acceptable to not only openly buy them, but to strut around the streets with your "woman".

40 million wankers x at least 2 dolls each = about gazillion dollars
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#37974 - 07 Dec 06 09:01 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: riccardo]
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Here's a sampling.

One claims to be the "perfect date" doll. "She likes Al Pacino and Pizza, and her hard plastic hands can hold your beer can."

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/masturbation/inventions/sex-dolls/
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#37976 - 07 Dec 06 09:06 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: riccardo]
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For the gay Chinese fellas who need companionship, but are too afraid to ask their friends:




For the lonely Chinese guys who have really enjoyed their holidays in New Zealand:
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#37996 - 07 Dec 06 11:20 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: riccardo]
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Or another easy solution: turn gay. That way population stay low while you have your companionship.
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#37997 - 07 Dec 06 11:25 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Shesca]
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so, 200 million chinese dudes playing wheelbarrow races.... smile

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#38007 - 07 Dec 06 12:09 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Polar Bear]
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I read somewhere that something like one in ten new brides in Taiwan are foreigners, usually from Vietnam or Philippines, so there is the likely source of women for those lonely Chinese men.
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#38009 - 07 Dec 06 12:18 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Patung]
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I read somewhere that something like one in ten new brides in Taiwan are foreigners, usually from Vietnam or Philippines, so there is the likely source of women for those lonely Chinese men.


Just as China strips Asia of its non renewable resources, it strips it of women!!

This leaves 200 million Vietnamese and Filipino wankers!!!

The only answer is to forcibly deport 200 million fat idle spam legged bule women from Birmingham and dump them in some rice paddy near Saigon.

Mind you, I once had a Filipino kleptomaniac girlfriend who stole my only saucepan. I think most Chinese dudes will regret wooing a Filipino. Especially if they only have one pan.




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#38011 - 07 Dec 06 12:48 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Polar Bear]
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Quoting: Polar Bear
Quoting: patung
I read somewhere that something like one in ten new brides in Taiwan are foreigners, usually from Vietnam or Philippines, so there is the likely source of women for those lonely Chinese men.


Just as China strips Asia of its non renewable resources, it strips it of women!!

This leaves 200 million Vietnamese and Filipino wankers!!!

The only answer is to forcibly deport 200 million fat idle spam legged bule women from Birmingham and dump them in some rice paddy near Saigon.

Mind you, I once had a Filipino kleptomaniac girlfriend who stole my only saucepan. I think most Chinese dudes will regret wooing a Filipino. Especially if they only have one pan.


It's like riccardo's post a few days ago, countries that are defeated sell their women, so if Vietnam and Philippines want to keep their women they better get rich.

Vietnam probably has a good chance long term, Philippines seems like a lot of south American countries - just drifting along going nowhere.

Indonesia does it too, not really bride exporting I think but slave-workers.
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#38016 - 07 Dec 06 20:00 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Patung]
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[quote=patung]It's like riccardo's post a few days ago, countries that are defeated sell their women, [quote]


One of my big concerns is the future of the UK. I grew up in a relatively prosperous world power. We were major automotive manufacturers. We were major shipbuilders. We manufactured goods for all over the world. Radios, televisions, whitegoods, appliances. We had massive port and shipping industries. The entire country seemed dedicated to manufacture and supply. Men toiled away underground, women worked in factories. Salaries were not overly high, but then again neither were costs, taxes, and expectations.

Then it all went wrong.

Socialists like “Red Robbo” systematically destroyed the shipbuilding, automotive, ports, shipping industries. In ten years all of these industries were murdered by idiots with political agendas.

At the same time management stupidity was rampant. The motorcycle industry continued to turn out old fashioned crap, ignoring what was happening in Japan. The electronics industry took the same approach. Ignorance and arrogance destroyed good profitable industries. Even when industry could see the defeat of the motorcycle and electronic industries, management adopted a head in the sand approach.

Meanwhile the beginnings of a global economy were upon us. Coal mined in Australia and shipped to the UK was half the price of locally dug coal. Mining Unions who had complained for generations of how horrible the job was, suddenly found the job had gone. Arthur Scargil found his empire was redundant. Minerals from overseas were cheaper, and converting those minerals into goods was cheaper overseas as well.

And so, in the space of 10-15 years,. Almost all manufacturing ceased in the UK.

But in those same 15 years, lifestyle expectations went up. Suddenly everyone was holidaying overseas. Everyone wanted a car. A new one. Every kid wanted a degree. The government became addicted to taxation, and the population became addicted to improving lifestyles, driving up wages in a crazy spiral.

In the early 80s I asked a political what future we really had. “Oh don’t worry son” he told me. “Our future lies in the service industries. Stockbroking, insurance, banking etc”. By the 1990s those industries were replaced by automation. Banking is now an automatic teller and an online account.

So, sadly, I now see the UK as a defeated nation. Defeated by idiots.

I confidently expect Shanghai workers to be paying English hookers for cheap sex, in the way that English sailors once paid Shanghai hookers.

And all this took less than my lifetime…..



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#38017 - 07 Dec 06 20:43 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Patung]
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Quoting: patung
Quoting: Polar Bear
Quoting: patung
I read somewhere that something like one in ten new brides in Taiwan are foreigners, usually from Vietnam or Philippines, so there is the likely source of women for those lonely Chinese men.


Just as China strips Asia of its non renewable resources, it strips it of women!!

This leaves 200 million Vietnamese and Filipino wankers!!!

The only answer is to forcibly deport 200 million fat idle spam legged bule women from Birmingham and dump them in some rice paddy near Saigon.

Mind you, I once had a Filipino kleptomaniac girlfriend who stole my only saucepan. I think most Chinese dudes will regret wooing a Filipino. Especially if they only have one pan.


It's like riccardo's post a few days ago, countries that are defeated sell their women, so if Vietnam and Philippines want to keep their women they better get rich.

Vietnam probably has a good chance long term, Philippines seems like a lot of south American countries - just drifting along going nowhere.

Indonesia does it too, not really bride exporting I think but slave-workers.

There is a little town in Kalimantan called Singkawang. The population is predominantly Chinese and mostly very poor. A friend of mine who's a Malaysian once told me, you go to one of the warung there and wait for your food, there will be an older man approaching you, and behind a 13 or 14 years old girl. He will start asking you stuffs like: sir, do you need a wife? This happened everytime he visited this town. A program aired on MetroTv had this town as the topic of discussion. In fact lots of people from China, Taiwan, come to this town to find an under age wife. May be it's not their purpose to have the underage ones, but those are what's available. Their parents are way too poor to take care of their children and think by doing so their daughters will be much better taken care of, while generating some cash for themselves at the same time. Most of them, though, were found to be badly treated afterwards. Lots were forced to take care of their elderly in laws, while taking care of their own babies and the farms at the same time. Their lives sound worse than slaves. And what's more sad, wife beatings happen to be a common thing in those countries and accepted by society.That's the world as we know it ....
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#45596 - 20 Feb 07 04:41 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Shesca]
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Shes,

I have personally heard about this story, quite sad for the women, young girls who had no opportunity other than being someone's wife (hope to God that she will be taken care of).

I think education is key, free education for these families. We need someone like Oprah to do good over there, someone with sizeable wallets and generous heart. As you probably know, Oprah build a school for women in South Africa, called a Leadership for Women school. Education will open up doors for these women.

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#45605 - 20 Feb 07 11:15 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Patung]
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Quoting: patung
I read somewhere that something like one in ten new brides in Taiwan are foreigners, usually from Vietnam or Philippines, so there is the likely source of women for those lonely Chinese men.


There was a good little story in Tempo in the Jan. 9 edition, titled 'The Chinese Brides from Kampung Belakang [west of Jakarta]'.

"Taiwanese men are coming in droves to Kampung Belakang to find girls of poor families of Chinese descent in the poor village west of Jakarta, to marry."

For a dowry of Rp5 million ...

Tempo travels to Taiwan, tells a story of a 13-year old marrying a 50-year old.

Another story, "An All-Smiles Husband", tells of a girl from the kampung who has been living with her new husband for two months.

"Apparently Melcy isn't aware that she's married to a mentally retarded man. She's confused. "When I asked him what's chinese for lampu (lamp), he only smiled and didn't reply," said Melcy of her husband.
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#45607 - 20 Feb 07 12:00 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Piss Salon]
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those two are probably well suited
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#45617 - 20 Feb 07 19:17 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Quoting: Roy's hair
those two are probably well suited


Picture this…

A family of six, husband, wife and four kids living in a small plot of land in the West Kalimantan (Singkawang)… Husband occasionally fished and would sell them at the market, wife was pregnant with the fifth child (didn’t know anything about birth control).

The oldest girl, Mei was about 14 years old. Mei had just a few years of schooling, parents couldn’t afford to send her to school beside she had to help her parents with cooking, watching brother and sister and raising pigs.

They had no other sources of income; mom would wash people’s clothes to raise money to put food on the table.

One day, there was a visit from a woman, offering to take Mei to Taiwan, promising the family that she would be taken care of and that she would send money home every month to her family. The woman then place an envelope inside Mei’s mother, inside the envelope Rp. 5.000.000. Mei was the family’s salvation from poverty and would do what her parents asked her, because she didn’t have a choice.

Who am I to judge? I had not ever been “hungry” in my life, plenty of food on the table.
I only have sympathy…

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#45642 - 20 Feb 07 23:55 Re: TIME BOMB in CHINA [Re: doremi]
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nice posting NW ---
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