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#35069 - 30 Oct 06 12:33 Dual citizenship
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Do any of you know the latest on the new citizenship law? It was passed in July; however, the latest news I've heard is that it hasn't been implemented yet.

Specifically I'd like to know: what does a mixed-marriage couple with a child born in Indonesia-the child now has a foreign passport-have to do to obtain Indonesian citizenship for the child without losing the foreign citizenship?

Any information would be helpful.
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#35070 - 30 Oct 06 22:38 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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indeed, the law has been passed. predictably -- and i did in fact predict this smile -- implementation has been "delayed" while bureaucrats figure out how to sabotage it.

for the meantime, all you have to do is nothing. just wait.
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#35113 - 31 Oct 06 10:31 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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xsbir, i saw this jsut now from the temporary Jakarta Post website:


Naturalization law
Monday, October 30th, 2006

According to an article in a national Indonesian newspaper (Kompas, Oct. 7), the regulation to naturalize the children of mixed-marriage couples, which was mandated by the new Citizenship Law, has been completed and is ready to be applied.

The Human Rights Ministry has already distributed application forms to its provincial offices to start the process.
What I regret about the announcement is this: The release of this important news was made known exclusively to a select group of people who represent a small part of society, rather than through a formal press release where all layers of society involved in mixed marriages could receive the information correctly and at the same time. For what reason?

This type of limited scope campaign only gives the public an incomplete picture of the regulation, which leads to confusion. It also attracts the intervention of middlemen who will know the procedures much better than the public and, once again, charge exorbitant (agent) fees to complete the application process.

We have the right to get information directly and
to exercise our rights as citizens without confusion and ambiguity.

NUNING HALLETT
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#35122 - 31 Oct 06 22:34 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Thanks, but I had seen that letter as well. I'm wondering if anyone has actually gone through the process yet. I want to do this for my child sometime before next March when his KITAS expires. I'm assuming there will be no need for a KITAS once he has dual citizenship.
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#35124 - 31 Oct 06 22:40 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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of course, no-one has been through the process because there is, as yet, no process.

no, your child will not need a KITAS once he has Indonesian citizenship.
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#35129 - 01 Nov 06 00:08 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
xsbir, i saw this jsut now from the temporary Jakarta Post website:


Naturalization law
Monday, October 30th, 2006

According to an article in a national Indonesian newspaper (Kompas, Oct. 7), the regulation to naturalize the children of mixed-marriage couples, which was mandated by the new Citizenship Law, has been completed and is ready to be applied.

The Human Rights Ministry has already distributed application forms to its provincial offices to start the process.




So, according to your post above, the process does already exist. I'm just hoping some intrepid soul has tried it and is willing to share the experience.
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#35130 - 01 Nov 06 00:19 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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Quoting: xsbir
Quoting: KuKuKaChu
xsbir, i saw this jsut now from the temporary Jakarta Post website:


Naturalization law
Monday, October 30th, 2006

According to an article in a national Indonesian newspaper (Kompas, Oct. 7), the regulation to naturalize the children of mixed-marriage couples, which was mandated by the new Citizenship Law, has been completed and is ready to be applied.

The Human Rights Ministry has already distributed application forms to its provincial offices to start the process.




So, according to your post above, the process does already exist. I'm just hoping some intrepid soul has tried it and is willing to share the experience.


ah, you perhaps are not yet quite familiar with the mysterious ways of the indoensian bureaucracy smile just because *one* government dept says they are ready, doesn't mean all the other related depts are ... and in this case, the immigration office is still not ready, and they are under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of "Justice" and Human Rights (Kehakiman dan HAM).

nonetheless, there is a lot of pressure from people to get this thing fixed and working. my company is actually monitoring the situation very closely, as we have many people wanting us to either handle their applications, or to tell them how to go about doing it themselves.

once we have a confirmed process -- not just a rumour or newspaper report -- we'll publish it here on JakChat.
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#35131 - 01 Nov 06 00:32 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I'm glad to see you're on the ball. No, I'm not that well acquainted with the mysterious minefield that is Indonesian bureaucracy. I'm looking forward to whatever other information becomes available on this issue. Thanks.
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#48262 - 26 Mar 07 06:50 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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This is my response to questions raised on the new citizenship law in a message on expat forum:

xms on Mar 25, 2007 08:24 wrote:

> 1. what is the consensus on the immigration law that allows spouses and
> children of mixed marriages (Indonesian mom) to stay?

Lots of photo ops. Still no process. the immigration office is deliberately stalling. I phoned the directorate-general the other day on this matter. Staff there said they needed "5-6 years" for the new law to be "socialised". Frankly, I doubt you will have to wait this long for the law to be actually implemented, but this statement clearly demonstrates the mindset of the immigration office towards this legislation.

> 2. My understanding is that the child may have dual-citizenship until a
> certain age (18?),

Correct.

> what is the spouse''s status, citizen or permanent resident?

The spouse has no status until a status is applied for and granted. Citizenship is not being offered, and neither is permanent residence. You will, presuming the legislation is actually implemented, be able to get temporary residence (KITAS).

> May the spouse work without first obtaining some
> employment pass or other bureaucratic and expensive hurdle?

No, you will still require a work permit (IMTA) to work here.

> 3. How much cost, hassle, and time does the process consume?

I think you can now figure that out for yourself. wink
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#49662 - 17 Apr 07 21:56 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Hi all,

My 3,5 yr old son just got his Dual Citizenship (Indonesian Citizen)--we applied it on January 2007 and on last 10th April 2007, he got the paper and the Minister himself handed the letter to him.

The application needs to be submitted to the Regional office where your Indonesian partner's KTP/ID card region based on.Mine was in Tangerang so I applied it in Regional Office in Serang. The documents needed for this Dual Citizenship application are :

1.Your Indonesian partner' ID Card
2.Your Family Card
3.Your Marriage Book/Marriage certificate (if you married overseas you need to register it to Kantor Catatan Sipil)
4.Your child' birth certificate (again,if your child born overseas,he must have the Indonesian-for foreigner-birth certificate (issued by Catatan Sipil office)
5.Your partner (the foreigner) passport
6.The application form (sign on 6000 Duty stamp)
7.A letter signed by your Indonesian partner saying that your children is/are under 18 yo and SINGLE
8. six (6) pcs of red back ground passport size photos of your children

All the above mentioned documents (no 1 - 5 ) will need to be CERTIFIED. The procession fee is IDR 500,000 , but every Regional office have their own fees smile , luckily they only asked for IDR 250,000 . In Bali they asked for IDR 750,000 !!

After you receive the Dual Citizenship certificate you need to go to the Immigration office to report this and cancelled your child KITAS and all its foreign documents smile

Anyway I have the soft copy of the blank FORM , if you want me to send it to you, you may pm me or email me at irma1307@yahoo.com

I'll try to help the best I can :-)

Good luck to all of you ,

regards

Irma
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#49677 - 18 Apr 07 06:33 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: IRMA_La_Douce]
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That's fantastic news IRMA!
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#49683 - 18 Apr 07 07:17 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: Orang Kanada]
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thanks for that Irma ... at last we have an precedent!
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#49706 - 18 Apr 07 10:31 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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yeh. good for you girl
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#49708 - 18 Apr 07 10:40 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: Roy's Hair]
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You're welcome !! And now we are in process of making his Indonesian Passport , I hope there wont be a problem as his KITAS has expired on October 2006 , and I didnt even bother to re-new it ! Cross finger yah ... I'll let you know if there is any update news !

Irma



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#49711 - 18 Apr 07 10:58 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: IRMA_La_Douce]
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I know this is probably going to be a difficult one to answer but what will happen to my children (if i have any here). I have British and Australian Passports. I am sure that any children I have will be able to have access to both those passports ... do you think they will also be able to apply for an Indo passport?
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#49726 - 18 Apr 07 12:25 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: IRMA_La_Douce]
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Quoting: IRMA_La_Douce
Hi all,

My 3,5 yr old son just got his Dual Citizenship (Indonesian Citizen)--we applied it on January 2007 and on last 10th April 2007, he got the paper and the Minister himself handed the letter to him.

The application needs to be submitted to the Regional office where your Indonesian partner's KTP/ID card region based on.Mine was in Tangerang so I applied it in Regional Office in Serang. The documents needed for this Dual Citizenship application are :

1.Your Indonesian partner' ID Card
2.Your Family Card
3.Your Marriage Book/Marriage certificate (if you married overseas you need to register it to Kantor Catatan Sipil)
4.Your child' birth certificate (again,if your child born overseas,he must have the Indonesian-for foreigner-birth certificate (issued by Catatan Sipil office)
5.Your partner (the foreigner) passport
6.The application form (sign on 6000 Duty stamp)
7.A letter signed by your Indonesian partner saying that your children is/are under 18 yo and SINGLE
8. six (6) pcs of red back ground passport size photos of your children

All the above mentioned documents (no 1 - 5 ) will need to be CERTIFIED. The procession fee is IDR 500,000 , but every Regional office have their own fees smile , luckily they only asked for IDR 250,000 . In Bali they asked for IDR 750,000 !!

After you receive the Dual Citizenship certificate you need to go to the Immigration office to report this and cancelled your child KITAS and all its foreign documents smile

Anyway I have the soft copy of the blank FORM , if you want me to send it to you, you may pm me or email me at irma1307@yahoo.com

I'll try to help the best I can :-)

Good luck to all of you ,

regards

Irma


I can confirm all of the above as correct, except we're about a month behind you and haven't actually gotten the dual citizenship for our son yet, so we didn't know the final fees. That's nice to know, thanks. We also went through the Serang regional office.

We were advised at that office to extend the KITAS for 3 months before it expired and we paid Rp200,000 to do that at the Tangerang immigration office. It will be interesting to know what will happen when you bring in your KITAS documents. You don't even really have to, do you? The boy already has his Indonesian citizenship so there shouldn't be any more issues with immigration.

Is there something like a KTP issued for these dual citizenship children?
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#49748 - 18 Apr 07 15:09 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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#49758 - 18 Apr 07 17:39 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: chewwyUK]
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Hi chewwyUK ,

If you are married to Indonesian and have children after the law is commenced (sometimes after August 2006), your children will automatically be Indonesian. Just try to go to your local Immigration office and say - I wanna make Indonesian passport for my baby ' - see what they say . Some of my friends have no problem doing that. Hope this help...

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#49759 - 18 Apr 07 17:46 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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Hi xsbir,

Nice to know you are in the middle of this processing and I hope everyhing will run smooth for you, I am sure it will.

Unfortunately there is no such KTP to prove that he is Indonesian , as KTP is made when you turn to 17 yo. The other thing to prove is the Passport of course. This Surat Keputusan signed by the Minister of Law and Human Rights is also proves it, but still it said that "you are obligated" to report this to your local Immigration office where your child registered the KITAS .....

You can actually , soon as you lodged in the application, ask the immigration to extend your children KITAS, and they will give it maximum 3 months.... (and should be free of charge) -- all you need is just bring the KITAS and the prove of receipt from the regional office that you are now processing this Dual Citizenship.
But i think our mistake is didnt even bother doing this ( stupid me ! lol ) -- so please cross finger for me as I will ask our agent to do his Indonesian passport soon !!

Regards
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#53139 - 06 Jun 07 09:51 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: IRMA_La_Douce]
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I just got our son's dual citizenship in hand yesterday, June 5th. Things take time here, for the wheels of Indonesian bureaucracy turn slowly even with some greasing. From the time of application to complete KITAS cancellation it took about four months.

The total cost of dual citizenship was about Rp1,000,000 of which Rp750,000 were official fees. It cost another Rp1,000,000 to cancel his KITAS. The cost really is a good deal because a KITAS costs more than this every year! Now it's done until the boy turns 18. What a relief!

I wouldn't want to deal with Indonesian bureaucracy everyday and I've gained new respect for those who do. They certainly must have a lot of patience!
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#53140 - 06 Jun 07 10:16 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: xsbir]
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Quoting: xsbir
I just got our son's dual citizenship in hand yesterday, June 5th. Things take time here, for the wheels of Indonesian bureaucracy turn slowly even with some greasing. From the time of application to complete KITAS cancellation it took about four months.

The total cost of dual citizenship was about Rp1,000,000 of which Rp750,000 were official fees. It cost another Rp1,000,000 to cancel his KITAS. The cost really is a good deal because a KITAS costs more than this every year! Now it's done until the boy turns 18. What a relief!


that's very good news! can you tell us a little of how the process went for you? there's more than a few people here in JakChat that have more than a passing interest in knowing ...

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I wouldn't want to deal with Indonesian bureaucracy everyday and I've gained new respect for those who do. They certainly must have a lot of patience!

tell me about it. i have an application for sainthood pending at the vatican.
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#53141 - 06 Jun 07 10:30 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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"i have an application for sainthood pending at the vatican"

Knew you were a Celtic supporter!
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#53146 - 06 Jun 07 11:46 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: Dilli]
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The process all went pretty smoothly really, as Irma La Douce has detailed above. Confusion sometimes arose because of dealing with two government bureaucracies, Immigration and HAM (Hak Asasi Manusia), each often giving conflicting information of the other's requirements. The whole process reaffirmed my assertion that the only thing clear in this country is that nothing is ever clear.

We only paid additional fees when we asked what the fee was and we were told "terserah"....we figured it was wise to give a bit to keep the process going.

This is a new law so no one could really advise us. That's why we decided to do it on our own because no agent had any experience in this matter either. Our papers were in perfect order, everything having been done by the book-we had all the required certificates and the child had been registered as a foreigner soon after birth and had always had a KITAS.

I'm sure once you've looked after it once for someone it'll seem pretty simple and straightforward to you, Kuku. I imagine it could get complicated and expensive, however, for people whose papers are a bit out-of-order.
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#53235 - 06 Jun 07 17:47 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: Dilli]
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"i have an application for sainthood pending at the vatican"

Knew you were a Celtic supporter!

you're getting obscure again, granpa.
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#53260 - 06 Jun 07 21:13 Re: Dual citizenship [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I am married ( the 2nd) with an Indonesian in 2000. My two children have Akte and are Indonesian as the 'LAW' said it. My wife have ask for them to be Indonesian. The pak lurah gave me a KTP and we register our children as Indonesian. Not to belittle the system but I do believe thats the best for my children as the grew up later.

Well anyway I m PERSIJAP supporter and hope my son will play for them one day and not for Selangor FC.

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