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#33716 - 26 Sep 06 13:16 Prophet MO exposed!
riccardo Offline
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Here's a new book on Muhammad just in time for Rama-lama-ding-dhan. I don't think you'll be seeing a review of it in Indonesia papers, so in the interest of free speech see below. And you likely will not find in Indonesian bookstores, so here's a link: http://amazon.com (just search for Robert Spencer)
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Straight from Muslim sources: the bloody life and violent teachings of Muhammad, the founder of Islam
The Truth About Muhammad
by Robert Spencer

As American and European leaders continue to assure us that true Islam is peaceful, and formulate foreign and domestic policy on that basis, it is more important today than ever before for non-Muslims to know exactly what Islam's founder, Muhammad, actually did and taught. Now, in The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion, Robert Spencer provides a frank and accurate picture of the Muhammad that Muslims around the world revere: a warlord who preached violence, ordered the assassinations of his enemies, and used his "divine revelations" for his personal self-aggrandizement.

Spencer, author of the bestselling Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and four other books on Islam and jihad, here works exclusively from the sources that Muslims themselves revere as most reliable for information about Muhammad. He explains why it matters so much today what Muhammad was like, and traces his tumultuous life in depth: from his first "revelation" from Allah (which filled him with terror that he was demon-possessed) to his deathbed (from which he called down curses upon Jews and Christians).

Spencer details Muhammad's development from a preacher of hellfire and damnation into a military leader who commanded his followers to carry out surprise raids on his opponents, and who promised his warriors lurid, pornographic, physical delights in Paradise if they were killed in his cause. He shows how Muhammad's faulty knowledge of Judaism and Christianity has influenced Islamic theology, and colored Muslim relations with Jews and Christians to this day. It's all here: Muhammad's multiple marriages (including one to a nine-year-old); his convenient "revelations" justifying his own perverted behaviour; his joy in the brutal murders of his enemies; and above all, his clear marching orders to his followers to convert non-Muslims to Islam or force them to live as inferiors under Islamic rule.

Spencer also shows how modern-day jihad terrorists frequently invoke Muhammad's example to justify their bloodlust and exhort their followers to more violence. The true nature of Islam and the prospects for large-scale Islamic reform have important implications for host of current issues. That's what makes it crucial for policymakers and every civilized person to read and ponder The Truth About Muhammad.

Meet the real Muhammad:

* Muhammad's bizarre reaction to his first "revelation": "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself"

* The heretical Christian who convinced Muhammad he was a prophet – and may have taught him his erroneous views of Christianity

* Islamic borrowings from Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism – and Muhammad's enraged replies to charges that he borrowed material rather than received actual divine revelations

* The "revelation" that allowed Muhammad to marry his beautiful daughter-in-law

* The strange incident in Muhammad's life that makes it virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries today

* The real "Satanic Verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version): how Muhammad's attempt to win over his opponents ended with his saying he had been inspired not by God, but by Satan

* How the Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed – with constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage

* The first year of the Muslim calendar: not when Muhammad was born or became a prophet, but when he became a thug warlord

* How Muhammad used the graphic lure of Islamic Paradise to urge his warriors to fight furiously to extend his rule

* "Kill every Jew who comes into your power": why Muhammad became so angry with both Jews and Christians – with disastrous consequences that are still playing out in the world today

* The momentous command by Muhammad that led to good being identified with anything that benefited the Muslims, and evil with anything that harmed them --without reference to any larger moral standard

* Muhammad's child bride – and the terrible consequences his marriage to a nine-year-old still has in the Islamic world

* "This is the caravan of the Quraysh possessing wealth. It is likely that Allah may give it to you as booty": how Muhammad gave divine sanction to the Muslims' bloody raids

* "War is deceit": the permission Muhammad gave his followers to lie in order to gain an advantage over their enemies

* How Muhammad broke the principal treaty he entered into, again setting a pattern for Muslim states thereafter

* Muhammad's commands to his followers to wage perpetual war against non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians

* Muhammad on women's rights: women "are prisoners with you having no control of their persons"

* "If justice is not to be found with me then where will you find it?" Why Muhammad still stands for Muslims as the supreme model for human behavior

* "I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula, and will not leave any but Muslims" – and other statements by Muhammad that contemporary jihadists take very seriously

* Islamic tolerance? The onerous tax burden and other discriminatory regulations mandated for non-Muslims under Islamic law

* How Muhammad ordered the killing of apostates from Islam

* The massacre of a Jewish tribe by Muhammad that was invoked by modern-day jihadists at the beginning of Israel's July 2006 operations against Hizballah in Lebanon

* "Embrace Islam, and your lives and property will be safe": Muhammad's threatening letters to the rulers of the lands around Arabia

* Muhammad's frequent avowals that the Muslims would overcome the empires bordering on Arabia and one day stand as masters of the world

* "I have been made victorious with terror" – and other statements of Muhammad on his deathbed

* Six steps that American leaders can and must take in order to protect our nation from Islamic jihad terrorism
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#33717 - 04 Oct 06 21:45 Re: Prophet MO exposed!
riccardo Offline
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Here's something I've learned recently over on Patung's site [www.indonesiamatters.com] from a couple of his regular posters:

Never question whether a muzzie is a fanatical terrorist or apologist for fellow terrorists. Just like you never ask a lunatic if he's crazy. Of course he's going to say 'NO.' What do you expect? You're always going to get a self-serving, agenda-driven answer. People are muzzies because they can't, and don't, see the lunacy that drives their lives. Never ask the muzzie if his pseudo-theological fantasies are real. Of course he's going to say 'YES.' If his problems aren't real, then he's just a sad loser following a violent, 1400-year-old Middle Eastern myth. But since he feels he's not crazy, the delusions are real. In a nutshell (no pun intended): the more absurd the belief, the more deeply it must be held, the more aggressively it must be promoted and angrily defended if the muzzie is to see himself as right and sane. Get it?
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#33718 - 05 Oct 06 16:23 Re: Prophet MO exposed!
Macan Tutul Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by riccardo:
* Islamic tolerance? The onerous tax burden and other discriminatory regulations mandated for non-Muslims under Islamic law

There is no need to look does Muslims or non Muslim sometimes and (quite often)people who have same faith but different thinking and organization or different class and economy also being treat not so far only don’t have right to accepted the love, blessing even could be recognize as a sinner when sometime should be treat unfair and inhumane.. The sacred of ritual faith which lots promising of merit, sometimes be understood as a seldom chance to get rewards and competition to make social limits which be sure for more and lots of merits (again).
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#33827 - 09 Oct 06 12:55 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Macan Tutul]
riccardo Offline
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The Mo (piss salon be upon him) defenders are at it again. The Muslim Brotherhood is calling for a boycott and demos against Denmark because a political party is now lampooning MO (piss salon be upon him).
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#33831 - 09 Oct 06 13:05 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
riccardo Offline
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There are some videos of the political party gathering (the young members) and a kind of artistic competition. Here is a link with 3 or 4 YouTube videos.

http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2006/10/video-young-danish-peoples-party.html
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#33913 - 10 Oct 06 04:59 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
Macan Tutul Offline
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Registered: 02 Dec 05
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Movements’ faces two choices, choice to follow the radical movement or gradual response on their struggle to social justice, had the same right in front of justice and the freedom of speech.

Is just some part on this century to challenge the people (traditional and close-minded) to see the world what the reality…..even good for confrontation and conflict or dialogue and cooperation to respect the boundaries and failure of the old paradigms to build new paradigms to the government and sensitive regulation for the most important of religion and culture.

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#33914 - 10 Oct 06 05:05 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
Macan Tutul Offline
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Quoting: riccardo

* "Kill every Jew who comes into your power": why Muhammad became so angry with both Jews and Christians – with disastrous consequences that are still playing out in the world today


* How Muhammad ordered the killing of apostates from Islam

* The massacre of a Jewish tribe by Muhammad that was invoked by modern-day jihadists at the beginning of Israel's July 2006 operations against Hizballah in Lebanon



Islamic judges are bound by ancient and outdated rules of fixed punishments for all crimes. Some more liberal Islamic judges treat these crimes as a lesser crime and these crimes means against society. The Islamic judge must look at a higher level of proof and reasons why the person committed the crime. If one commits a crime he knows what the punishment will be.
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#34087 - 12 Oct 06 01:35 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Macan Tutul]
riccardo Offline
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This offended-muzzie schtick is kinda getting a bit passe. A great headline would be "OFFENDED MUSLIMS REMAIN CALM"

Alas, they're not ready for that sort of maturity.....

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Dozens of protesters pelted the Danish embassy in Tehran with stones and petrol bombs on Tuesday after Danish television broadcast footage deemed insulting to the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, witnesses said.

Denmark’s state TV aired footage on Friday of a number of members of the youth wing of the anti-immigrant Danish People’s Party (DPP) drawing cartoons in August mocking the Prophet. Iran condemned the broadcast.

Reuters witnesses said protesters hurled stones and petrol bombs into the embassy compound. The crowd chanted “Down with Zionists” and “God praise the party of God”.

Riot police guarded the embassy and two fire trucks stood nearby. Firefighters extinguished a tyre which was set alight next to the embassy compound wall, the witnesses said.
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#34137 - 12 Oct 06 08:34 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
Macan Tutul Offline
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Quoting: riccardo

This offended-muzzie schtick is kinda getting a bit passe. A great headline would be "OFFENDED MUSLIMS REMAIN CALM"

Alas, they're not ready for that sort of maturity.....

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Dozens of protesters pelted the Danish embassy in Tehran with stones and petrol bombs on Tuesday after Danish television broadcast footage deemed insulting to the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, witnesses said.

Denmark’s state TV aired footage on Friday of a number of members of the youth wing of the anti-immigrant Danish People’s Party (DPP) drawing cartoons in August mocking the Prophet. Iran condemned the broadcast.

Reuters witnesses said protesters hurled stones and petrol bombs into the embassy compound. The crowd chanted “Down with Zionists” and “God praise the party of God”.

Riot police guarded the embassy and two fire trucks stood nearby. Firefighters extinguished a tyre which was set alight next to the embassy compound wall, the witnesses said.


Still and always don't get it with the Muslims orthodoxy’s mind, tired even me as a Muslim too but I feel so tired with their "PREMAN" attitudes......if want to protest with something wrong inside them then does there is no other way which better to do beside doing some anarchies? They (preman) need to wake up and realize that their entire behavior over the slightest provocation (if we can even characterize it as provocation) is abnormal and amounts to collective lunacy. sick
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#34174 - 13 Oct 06 00:29 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Macan Tutul]
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The tittle of this letter is “DISAPOINTED”
I feel this coz there is some “Free Speech” from Mr. Ricardo about ISLAM that makes me as a Moslem people irritating.

I disappointed coz I think this community full with the brain people who speak with their idealism and great knowledge, well I have to taking a notice now.
What Ricardo say, it seems like he know Islam better than other people who embrace Islam. Come on, Your Source is Robert Spencer and Salman Rusdhi? Just give me a break….pleaaaaseeeeee….

U speak with one kind and same sources and u not trying to look another sources, im so wonder are your college is finish yet or that make u stuck with a label “MAHASISWA ABADI”. OooPS, sorry I have the same right for a free speech too.

I have to tell u Mr. Ricardo, that I have two best pall here in makassar with different religion with me, one is catholic rome and other is protestan. U can imagine how plural are our relationship. But we never yelling or blame each other about religion, on the contrary we sharing each other to know where our boundaries and same characteristic for reaching our aim “kerukunan antar umat beragama” that now government trying to rebuild it again with effort from Muhammadyah, Walubi, Ikatan Gereja Indonesia, Ikatan Hindu Dharma.

What u do Mr. Ricardo is U CONSULTING Our Nation Aim in “MASYARAKAT MADANI”, U make me pain but not enough to make me bleeding.
SO PLEASE THINK BEFORE U SPEAK GUYS.
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#34176 - 13 Oct 06 01:22 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: dee_lavita]
riccardo Offline
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And a good morning to you too, dearest Dee!

I'm flattered that you feel this way about me, but I can't go out on date with you. I'll have to say no to your request for a date ... as I'm already married.

You are welcome, however, to express your intelligent opinions here along with others. You see, we don't get stressed out about these brainwashing propaganda tools like "National Aims" or “kerukunan antar umat beragama" or S.A.R.A. or NKRI. So let yourself go, express yourself!
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#34179 - 13 Oct 06 01:54 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: dee_lavita]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Quoting: dee_lavita
U speak with one kind and same sources and u not trying to look another sources, im so wonder are your college is finish yet or that make u stuck with a label �MAHASISWA ABADI�.

for those who may be wondering, "Mahasiswa Abadi" is a kind of semi-perjorative term playing on the initials "MA" (Master of Arts). Mahasiswa Abadi means "perpetual student". it can mean someone who only studies because they can't get a job ... wink
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#34180 - 13 Oct 06 02:02 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
riccardo Offline
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I keep applying to all the universities here so I can do a PhD. with the tittttle:
"Let's show more love to our Jew friends, the case for allowing Zionism as a legal religion in RI."
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#34181 - 13 Oct 06 02:09 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
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Whatever u do with ur jew friend, i don't care as long as u in the right step im in mine too, but if u cross the line, be carefull u can get ur own pain.


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#34185 - 13 Oct 06 02:39 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: dee_lavita]
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Pain can be fun too, ok let's cross that line. My jew friends here are quite kinky too, they'll be keen too if you're into that group stuff... Wow....hawt fun in the summertime!
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#34257 - 14 Oct 06 01:31 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
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speak with u just like speak with zionis who always trying to make a gap between Islam and Christian

zionisme is a real terorist!!!!!
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#34260 - 14 Oct 06 02:01 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: dee_lavita]
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Registered: 08 Dec 05
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so, someone wrote this! and what he said is so true! read it on...

MUSLIM FREE WORLD: I HAVE DREAM....

Why can't dreams come true. No more wars. No more terrorism. A world at peace.

Muslims looking for any excuse to riot, threaten and kill are having a field day because of some cartoons published in the Jyllands-Posten, a newspaper in Denmark. Now here is the thing, Arabs and other Muslim cartoonists have spent a lot of time doing their own cartoons of total sick hate towards Jews, Christians and the horror of 9-11. But Muslims being the low life evil excuse for flesh in human form think it is OK to have their cartoons that celebrate death and death that THEY themselves have caused! So yeah I just don't get it.
As far as I am concerned they asked for it and if they don't like it....tuff shit!

If we say that if the cartoons had never happened those being killed today would never have been killed then we are lying to ourselves what Islam is about. They want to control the world, to dominate any and all Non-Muslims. They have proven this over and over again. With their schools teaching hate, their suicide bomber recruitments, they threats from even the President's of their countries such as Iran etc. So these cartoons are ONLY an excuse for them to do what comes natural to them.

The Muslim reaction is rioting not only in Denmark but all over the world, coupled with various death threats, fatwas, etc. You’ll notice that such violence evokes very little criticism from fellow Muslims. The lesson to learn here is that offensive cartoons are more offensive to Muslims than rioting, death threats.

So apparently beheadings and suicide bombers are OK though....."stop offending us or we'll cut off your heads".......they do it anyway, even if the person that was beheaded did not offend them.

History proves that before Islam came into existence the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the Moon god who married the sun goddess and who gave birth to three goddesses. They were called Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat. They later became idols and they were worshipped throughout that part of the world as the " Daughters of Allah". The moon god was Allah! He was just one of 360 idols in Kabah in Mecca.

The crescent moon is everywhere in Islam. Even Ramadan begins and ends with the crescent moon. Muhammed wanted to create his own religion. He needed the backing of his powerful tribe. So he picked Allah, the Moon-god which they worshipped, to be the one god. And he declared himself to be Allah's prophet.

In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazor in Palestine. Two idols of the Moon-god were found, proving Alah wa sa pre-Islamic pagan deity.

The truth is that Allah is NOT God, Muhammad was NO prophet and the Koran is NOT the word of God.


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#34262 - 14 Oct 06 02:19 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: juminten]
Dilli Offline
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Tell me when it is safe to come out!

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#34265 - 14 Oct 06 02:42 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Dilli]
juminten Offline
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Registered: 08 Dec 05
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Loc: disana-disini
lol..very cute! where did you get that lil stuff like that?
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#34270 - 14 Oct 06 04:18 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: juminten]
riccardo Offline
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Registered: 12 Oct 05
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Dill, it's always safe, danger is nothing but a word.

WD, that was interesting about the moon gods and stuff. Where did you find that?

DEE, ciao again mon petite Jew-lover. So, I've got a few single Jew boys lined up for you, let me know which one(s) you want.

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#34308 - 14 Oct 06 06:07 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: juminten]
dee_lavita Offline
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well, i see how u hate on Islam that much, but i don't ever have such a feelin like that on Christian, I DO. even u accused Allah is Not GOD or i will accuse Jesus or Yahweh is no God too. the point is we'll accusing each other over and over coz we have our own faith about religion that we keep.

for me, that's not the answer gal, what we have to looking for the next generation like u and me is find the solution to make the gap is not wider than before

let's talk about terorism nowdays,
Al-qaedah bombing WTC on the name of Islam.
an then everyone is call Islam as a terorist. the question is, who is Al-qaedah, why usa, why before that happen Bush is shaking hand with osama (gap on tape).

it's all politics game my dear and its a high risk game that the actor is looking for.

well sorry if i say something like "zionism" in a bad tittle, im in over react with ricardo say about Islam without any tough explanation. but now my mind is set up and hope that u will feel the sama too.




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#34309 - 14 Oct 06 06:08 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: dee_lavita]
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But I still think I'll stay here!

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#34310 - 14 Oct 06 06:15 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Dilli]
riccardo Offline
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Dee, why do you think the entire civilized world (5 billion non-muslim people) says, Islam=Terrorist?
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#34311 - 14 Oct 06 06:18 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: Dilli]
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lol..*clap*

ms.dee, muslims/alqaida kill people in the name of allah (the moon god) and mohammed! it happened/happening anywhere.
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#34313 - 14 Oct 06 06:20 Re: Prophet MO exposed! [Re: riccardo]
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well, would u tell me too why u said a bad idea about my prophet? why every western make a stupid cartoons about it and
why they won't take it back?

this all "why" question, offcourse will push every moslem think like that.
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