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#33480 - 20 Jul 06 02:36 IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Israel is 100% correct in their actions.

It was THEIR land before all this started and they've simply come back home, but now they're surrounded by a bunch of 'barbarians at the gate'.

A good analogy would be: your dad legitimately settled and built a nice ranch out in the country on previously uninhabited land. But later, some ugly thugs then forced him out, and you grew up hearing all about that story and hating the thugs. Eventually you go back there to your rightful home, kick the thugs out and now your're trying to keep them from coming back to you and your dad's ranch house.

That, in a nutshell, is Israel.

So we should all think twice before we blindly condemn our decent, civilized Israeli friends for bravely defending themselves against these uncivilized, backward, ignorant, pathological thugs and barbarians.
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#33481 - 20 Jul 06 14:03 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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I couldn't agree more, Israel is "one of us", from a westerner's perspective, and you should support your own, the hostility that Israel does in fact arouse among many westerners is well, peculiar to say the least, and probably bound up in a number of things - old style anti-semitism (for Christians), identification with your enemy/potential conqueror =Arabs (for Europeans), another kind of anti-semitism, ie non christian, which is connected with hatred and jealousy of a tribe that is practically eternal when your own 'tribe' you know is destined for the dust heap shortly, ... and more.

One problem though with the "they were there first" argument is how far back do you take these things? The Greeks used to own Istanbul, in Turkey, is it still rightfully theirs? Or maybe the people who were there before them? It's almost endless. Perhaps we just have to accept something of the 'might is right' argument, don't know.
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#33482 - 20 Jul 06 21:34 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Quote:
Originally posted by riccardo:
Israel is 100% correct in their actions.

It was THEIR land before all this started and they've simply come back home, but now they're surrounded by a bunch of 'barbarians at the gate'.

A good analogy would be: your dad legitimately settled and built a nice ranch out in the country on previously uninhabited land. But later, some ugly thugs then forced him out, and you grew up hearing all about that story and hating the thugs. Eventually you go back there to your rightful home, kick the thugs out and now your're trying to keep them from coming back to you and your dad's ranch house.

That, in a nutshell, is Israel.

So we should all think twice before we blindly condemn our decent, civilized Israeli friends for bravely defending themselves against these uncivilized, backward, ignorant, pathological thugs and barbarians.
So you will give Australia back to the aboriginies and America back to the American Indians. China belongs to the Mongols and so it goes on.
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#33483 - 22 Jul 06 14:41 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Was going to raise the same point Riccardo. Would you have Australian/New Zealand colonists give the indigenous peoples back their lands? Any land back to any indigenous population?

Regardless, Israel – facing down the barrels of numerous guns on all of its borders (and further afield) – has recently used disproportionate force on top of intimidation and constant provocation to maintain the same sorry state of affairs to the detriment of not only the region, but the entire world.

For me, it is not about what tribe has the right to ‘exist’, but both ‘tribes’ sorting their shit out together for a sustainable future. We are, after all, from the same tribe sharing the same limited space.

A more appropriate analogy for the region would be two extremely naughty boys needing an extremely good spanking. It is unfortunate that the only candidate for the job, principal Annan, doesn’t have a functioning school, let alone a cane.
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#33484 - 22 Jul 06 17:29 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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You need to understand that Israelis were one of a number of nomadic Arabic groups that inhabited that area for many thousands of years. Yes – read the line carefully – Israelis are ARABS (genetically they share virtually identical DNA).

To put the conflict into perspective, what we now see is a tribal war between two tribes of Arabs (one of whom vehemently deny such ancestry, despite the evidence). This is the same tribal wars that have existed for thousands of years.

The danger now is they no longer attack each others Bedouin encampments, slaughtering the goats and raping the women. Now the do it by car bombs, suicide bombs, jet fighters and rocket attacks.

I am going to be REALLY pissed off if the rest of the world gets dragged into the pissy little dispute.

Today in Sydney 15000 Lebanese protested about the war, asking Australia to “do something”. If this collection of “peanut brains” had done something THEMSELVES, like stopping Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel, this would not have happened….

For FIVE FUCKING YEARS Hezbollah have been firing rockets into Israel, and the world did fuck all to stop it, now Israel is doing it.

If George Bush had balls he would nuke the whole stinking area….

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#33485 - 22 Jul 06 17:36 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Good to see U back online PB,......I agree with u, in the respect that the "two Tribes" should be left to fight it out without outside interference,.let them both blow them selves to bits then we can have a bit of quiet again in the middle east,....but that won't last for long either
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#33486 - 22 Jul 06 19:00 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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When two tribes go to war
A point is all you can score
When two tribes go to war
A point is all you can score

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#33487 - 22 Jul 06 19:13 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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wasn't a Dran, Duran song ,........PB???
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#33488 - 23 Jul 06 08:55 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Frankie went to Hollywood.

caught aids and died, as all good gays should.

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#33489 - 23 Jul 06 10:23 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)

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#33490 - 23 Jul 06 10:27 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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The earlier study, led by Dr. Michael Hammer of University of Arizona, showed from an analysis of the male, or Y chromosome, that Jewish men from seven communities were related to one another and to present-day Palestinian and Syrian populations, but not to the men of their host communities.

The finding suggested that Jewish men who founded the communities traced their lineage back to the ancestral Mideastern population of 4,000 years ago from which Arabs, Jews and other people are descended

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#33491 - 23 Jul 06 10:30 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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COLD SPRING HARBOR, NEW YORK--As fighting continues in the Middle East, a new genetic study shows that many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years.

The results match historical accounts that some Moslem Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel and the Sinai. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews.

Intrigued by the genetic similarities between the two populations, geneticist Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who collaborated on the earlier study, focused on Arab and Jewish men. Her team examined the Y chromosomes of 119 Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and 143 Israeli and Palestinian Arabs. Many of the Jewish subjects were descended from ancestors who presumably originated in the Levant but dispersed throughout the world before returning to Israel in the past few generations; most of the Arab subjects could trace their ancestry to men who had lived in the region for centuries or longer. The Y chromosomes of many of the men had key segments of DNA that were so similar that they clustered into just three of many groups known as haplogroups. Other short segments of DNA called microsatellites were similar enough to reveal that the men must have had common ancestors within the past several thousand years. The study, reported here at a Human Origins and Disease conference, will appear in an upcoming issue of Human Genetics.

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#33492 - 23 Jul 06 12:15 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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PB, duh, of course they are genetically related, they come from the same part of the planet, wer'e all genetically close if you go back far enough. Big deal, genetics is interesting but what matters is culture, religion, ways of living, history, self-identification, and in these respects Israelis are quite different from arabs in too many ways, and the Israeli nation is quite different, in fact, of course, it is much closer to a western state than it is to an arab one. If the term "western civilisation" means anything at all then Israel is a part of it and deserves the support of partisan pro-westerners like myself.

Aside - for all their genetic similarities probably what is more interesting is the differences, considering they lived so closely together for so long. I was walking through the lobby of a hotel in sby last week and glanced at some bule standing there, and instantly I thought "jew", he wasn't dressed in a "jewish" way, no skullcap or anything, but still. Nothing like an Arab in many ways. My next thought was 'wtf is he doing here?'
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#33493 - 23 Jul 06 12:19 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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And so therefore PB, does this DNA similarity mean we ought to be supporting Hezbollah and their indiscriminate, unprovoked rocketing of Israeli civilian populations -- OR -- supporting Israel in using all its technology and weaponry to wipe these scum, this very scourge upon humanity, off the planet?

Regardless of similar DNA, do we condemn our civilized friends in their righteous, just cause -- OR -- do we condemn these cowardly, uncivilized subhumans?

No fence-sitting, 'let-them-all-die' cop outs allowed in here, by the way...
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#33494 - 23 Jul 06 12:24 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Originally posted by patung:
PB, duh, of course they are genetically related, they come from the same part of the planet, wer'e all genetically close if you go back far enough.
Trace it down, trace it down, our real ancestors are adam and eve smile
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#33495 - 23 Jul 06 15:22 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Quote:
Originally posted by riccardo:
And so therefore PB, does this DNA similarity mean we ought to be supporting Hezbollah and their indiscriminate, unprovoked rocketing of Israeli civilian populations -- OR -- supporting Israel in using all its technology and weaponry to wipe these scum, this very scourge upon humanity, off the planet?

Regardless of similar DNA, do we condemn our civilized friends in their righteous, just cause -- OR -- do we condemn these cowardly, uncivilized subhumans?

No fence-sitting, 'let-them-all-die' cop outs allowed in here, by the way...
The whole point is this is tribal wars, it has fuck all to do with anyone else so long as they keep it to themselves.

This doesn’t stop 15,000 Lebanese Australians (who appear to be a whole lot more Lebanese than Australian) protesting in Sydney yesterday.

And this is the critical issue. Both tribes have influence in my country, both are vying ot use that influence. I (and the rest of the Aryan Brotherhood) are trying to push all of these assholes out of the country.

As for Israelis being “civilised” – try visiting the country. Meet a few of the hard line Radical Jews living there!!! The most scary thing is how much the Israelis are like the Palestinians – in attitude, temperament etc.,

But since you raise the issue:

The Israelis are pissed off about Hezbollah “hiding” in Lebanon and using terrorism to further its aims.

In 1947 the “Stern Gang” hid inside Palestine, and used rank terrorism to further Jewish aims:

On 12th of July, two British field security NCOs Sergeants Paice and Martin were on duty in Nathanya in the company of the Jewish Clerk. They were held up by five armed Jews and driven off to a secret hiding place. For the next two weeks and British security forces diligently searched for the kidnapped sergeants but no trace of them was ever found.
On the July 29th British authorities, unable to bow to the blackmail of the Irgun, even though British lives were at stake had no alternative but to allow the sentence of death on the three Jews to take it's course. Two days later, on the 31st to July, the bodies of the two British NCOs were found hanging from a eucalyptus tree one and a half miles from where they had been kidnapped. They had been dead for about two days. The area around the bodies was mined. The bodies had also been booby trapped. As the bodies were being cut down a hidden device on one body exploded. In this explosion a British officer was severely wounded.
On the evening of the 28 to June 1947 in Haifa when the Astoria restaurant in which a number of officers of the 6th Airborne Division were dining was attacked. Two Jewish terrorists in a taxi in drew up opposite the restaurant and fired Thompson sub machine guns through the windows at the Offices inside. Captain Kissane of the 9th parachute battalion was killed and two other officers were wounded. The remaining Officers who escaped injury took up the fight and forced the terrorists to withdraw. The taxi was hit repeatedly as it sped off and was abandoned by the two Jews who ran down a side street. One of them sustained wounds from the barrage that struck the taxi. On March the 1st 1947 the IZL blew up Goldsmith Officers club in Jerusalem, killing 13 and wounding another 18.
On the 25th of April 1945 the Stern Gang carried out their most cold blooded attacks to date. A large car park in Tel Aviv was being used by the 6th Airborne Division as a transport deport. The car park was surrounded only by barbed wire and guarded by a section of 8 men and from the 5th Parachute brigade who were billeted in tents near to entrance of the car park. At 20:30 hours, three trucks pulled up un-observed outside a house opposite the car park entrance. From these trucks 25 armed members of the Stern gang got out. The Jewish terrorists entered the house and held to occupants at gun point as they set up firing postions towards the car park entrance. About 15 minutes later a bomb was thrown at the main gate of the car park and the the terrorists opened fire on the British Paratroops. Those not killed in this initial hail of fire took cover in the tents. About 20 terrorists then left the house and entered the car park. They entered the first tent and found two British soldiers and a NCO who had been off duty and were now trying to take cover from the fire from the house. All three were shot at close range with machine guns. The NCO was somehow not hit and pretended to be dead. The terrorists then moved on to the next tent were they murdered another two unarmed Paratroopers. In all 7 british soldiers were killed, most were unarmed.


So you want me to feel sorry for a nations of murdering fucking assholes???? I drink a toast to every Hezbolah missle that hits an Israeli civilian. I drink a toast to every Israeli missile that kills a Lebanese civilian.

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#33496 - 23 Jul 06 15:25 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Just in case of any misconception or misunderstanding:

I would not piss on the leg of a burning Jew or Arab if his leg were on fire and I couldn’t find a tree.

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#33497 - 23 Jul 06 19:06 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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even if your piss contains alcohol?

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#33498 - 23 Jul 06 19:13 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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You can taste it if you want......

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#33499 - 23 Jul 06 20:47 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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i'm not into golden shower sweet PB..

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#33500 - 23 Jul 06 20:51 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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remember that iced tea last time we met???

My colostomy bag was full, - what else could I do???

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#33501 - 23 Jul 06 20:56 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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LOL LOL LOL!! i swear your look was so deceivingly decent!

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#33502 - 23 Jul 06 21:05 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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I specialise in those sweet looks.

Hey honey, dont suppose you fancy a quick beer in the Shark Bar tonight do you? Bugger all on TV....

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#33503 - 23 Jul 06 21:08 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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it's too cold to go out PB.. btw i've never seen sharks in that bar..! those lil fish are not shark are they?

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#33504 - 23 Jul 06 21:16 Re: IT'S ISRAEL'S LAND!! HIDUP YAHUDI!
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Ahhhh you know the shark. lets play pool one night!!!

sharks?? They used to be hsarks in the tank, but stupid animal activists protested about them suffering. so the bar killed the sharks (seriously) and put normal fish in the tank and now no one complains. typical bullshit from politically motivated activists who dont really care (why is it ok to keep baramundi in that tank but not sharks......?)

Anyway, funniest thing was when drunks would leap up and climb into the tank with the sharks....

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