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#30960 - 09 Jun 06 00:35 AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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#30961 - 09 Jun 06 06:49 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Iraq allies hail Zarqawi killing


The US and UK have hailed news that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, has died in a US air strike.
Zarqawi died when US planes dropped two 500lb (230kg) bombs on a site near the city of Baquba. He was identified by fingerprints, tattoos and scars.

The US struck after receiving specific tip-offs from within Zarqawi's organisation, officials said.

US President George W Bush described the news as a severe blow to al-Qaeda and "justice" for Zarqawi.

British PM Tony Blair described it as "very good news", but both leaders said Zarqawi's death would not end violence.

The news came shortly before the Iraqi parliament approved the key posts of defence and interior ministers.

The two crucial roles had remained unfilled despite the formation of a coalition government last month.

Zarqawi's death was an opportunity for the new government to "turn the tide", President Bush said.

"The ideology of terror has lost one of its most visible and aggressive leaders," he added.

Correspondents say it remains to be seen if one man's death will bring a breakthrough in Iraq.


Zarqawi "safe house" about 8km (five miles) north of Baquba was struck at 1815 (1415 GMT) on Wednesday, officials said.


Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki announced the news on Thursday, telling a news conference in Baghdad: "We have eliminated Zarqawi."

The news sparked sustained applause.

The strike was the "painstaking, deliberate result" of intelligence over "many weeks", US military spokesman Major General William Caldwell said.


He showed a picture of the militant leader's body and a videotape of the attack, in which he said American F-16 fighter jets dropped the two 500lb bombs on the site.

The body was moved to a secure site where Zarqawi's identity was confirmed, the official said.

A Jordanian government spokesman said Jordanian agents had contributed to the operation against Zarqawi.


not a global mastermind like al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden, says the BBC's security correspondent, Frank Gardner.

Instead he was a bloodthirsty and violent thug, our correspondent says - who made enemies and several mistakes that might have contributed to his downfall.

These included ordering a triple suicide bombing against hotels in Amman, Jordan, last November, that killed 60 people, our correspondent says.

Zarqawi was accused of leading the rash of kidnappings and beheadings of foreign workers.

It has been suggested that he appeared personally on one video posted on the internet, cutting off the head of an American hostage.

A video released in April showed Zarqawi shooting an automatic rifle and berating the US for its "arrogance". The video provided the most up-to-date picture of the fugitive.

Violence continued on Thursday as 13 people were killed and 28 injured in a bomb at a Baghdad market, while an evening car bombing killed five and injured at least 13, police said.


Jordanian intelligence reportedly assisted the US-led operation
Zarqawi traced to isolated safe house approximately 8km north of Baquba, north east of Baghdad
US aircraft launched air strike at about 1815. The militant leader was reportedly holding a meeting with associates, including spiritual adviser Sheikh Abd-al-Rahman, at time of raid
Several others were reportedly killed
Iraqi police were first on the scene, followed by troops from the Multi-National Division North
Zarqawi's identity confirmed by fingerprints, facial recognition and known scars

ZARQAWI-CLAIMED ATTACKS
19 Aug 2003: Bombing of UN office in Baghdad, 23 dead
29 Aug 2003: Bombing of Najaf shrine killing Shia cleric Muhammad Baqr Hakim, 85 dead
2 March 2004: Co-ordinated attack on Shia mosques during Ashoura ceremony, 181 dead
11 May 2004: Nick Berg beheaded, first of at least nine foreign hostages killed in 2004
14 Sept 2004: Car bomb targeting police recruits in Baghdad, 47 dead
19 Dec 2004: Car bombs in Najaf and Karbala, 60 dead
9 Nov 2005: Triple attack on hotels in Amman, 60 dead

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5059494.stm
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#30962 - 09 Jun 06 07:29 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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How Zarqawi was found and killed

Zarqawi's body was identified by fingerprints and bodily features
A man described as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's "spiritual adviser" inadvertently led US forces to the spot where the militant leader was finally located and killed, the US military says.
Major General William Caldwell said the operation to track down the most wanted man in Iraq was carried out over many weeks, before two US air force F-16s killed him with a bombing raid on a house in a village north of Baghdad.

"The strike last night did not occur in a 24-hour period. It truly was a very long, painstaking deliberate exploitation of intelligence, information gathering, human sources, electronic, signal intelligence that was done over a period of time - many, many weeks," he said.

He said a tip from someone in Zarqawi's network put US forces on the trail of Sheikh Abd-al-Rahman, the militant's "spiritual adviser".

He would not say when they received this tip, but said they had clear evidence about a month-and-a-half ago that began the process that led them to identify the safe house where Zarqawi was eventually killed.




Gen Caldwell said Wednesday night was the first time US forces had "definite unquestionable information" they could strike the target without causing collateral damage to civilians.

"We had absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Zarqawi was in the house," he said.

"We knew from having watched the movements of Abd-al-Rahman that he was there too."

Six dead

Once the target had been identified, two F-16 jets were dispatched towards the small house in a palm grove 8km (five miles) north of the town of Baquba.

The lead aircraft dropped a 500lb bomb, and then the aircraft returned for a second run, with the second jet dropping another similar bomb.


The moment the bombs hit was captured on film
"Following this strike Iraqi security forces, specifically Iraqi police, responded to that location, they were the first ones to arrive on the scene," Gen Caldwell said.

They were followed "very shortly thereafter " by US ground forces, who "swept through the site and identified six persons that had been killed in that strike at that time".

The dead included a woman and a child, and two others still to be identified.

Tattoos

Zarqawi's body was taken a secure location.

"By visual identification it was established that that probably was him, but they... did further examination of his body, found more scars and tattoos consistent with what had been reported which we knew about him.

"They then did fingerprint identification and that came back at about 0330 this morning as positively identified as Zarqawi having been killed."


The US said it was certain Zarqawi was present when it attacked
DNA analysis could be completed within 48 hours.

Zarqawi's death allowed coalition forces to go after his network - those people who had been used to establish his movements, patterns and habits, Gen Caldwell said.

Coalition and Iraqi forces moved quickly, conducting 17 simultaneous raids in and around Baghdad within hours of Zarqawi's death.

"And in those 17 raids last night a tremendous amount of information and intelligence was collected. It is presently being exploited and utilised for further use. I mean it was a treasure trove, no question," the general said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5060468.stm
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#30963 - 09 Jun 06 07:32 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Tactics may change on Zarqawi death
By Jon Leyne
BBC News


The American military have said they believe an Egyptian militant, Abu al-Masari, is likely to take over as head of al-Qaeda in Iraq following the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

And there have been warnings that Zarqawi's death is not likely to lead to an early end to the insurgency.

A senior American general said that sources within Zarqawi's network gave intelligence that helped the Americans and Iraqis to track him down.

That fits with a number of recent assessments, indicating that Zarqawi was losing popularity, even among his own supporters.

There has been a vigorous debate on insurgent websites in recent months about Zarqawi's brutal methods, particularly his gruesome trademark of videotaped beheadings.

Criticism

Several sources close to the insurgency had suggested in the last few weeks that Zarqawi's role had already been downgraded. He was also criticised recently by Osama bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri.


Zarqawi's tactics fuelled sectarian divisions

Many supporters of the insurgency feared Zarqawi's brutal methods were discrediting their cause.

But there was also disquiet over his vicious hatred of Shia Muslims (Zarqawi himself was a member of a radical Sunni Muslim sect).

Zarqawi's group was blamed for many of the worst attacks on civilians, both inside Iraq and in neighbouring Jordan.

So Zarqawi's death provides opportunities, both for the Iraqi authorities and for the insurgents.

Clearly it will be a boost for the new Iraqi government of Nouri Maliki.

The new prime minister will hope he can begin to steer his country away from the danger of a sectarian civil war between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

He has also demonstrated his credibility, as someone who is tough on security.

But the insurgents might also use this as a chance to refocus their campaign, perhaps concentrating their fire on the security forces, and away from the attacks on civilians that Zarqawi pursued so cynically.

That in turn could help the fractured insurgency to work together more effectively, and might also help them win more support from the Iraqi people.

Iraqis will remember the brief surge of optimism that followed the capture of Saddam Hussein in 2003. They will be fearing this may be another similar false dawn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5062386.stm
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#30964 - 09 Jun 06 08:28 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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The West never seems to learn. They kill a terrorist leader by remote, and they crow about it on TV. Politicians talk about how “pleased” they are about the death of al-Zarqawi.

A mans death, no matter how evil he is, is not something to be pleased about. It not something to brag about. And to kill a man by remote means achieves very little.

Far better to have re-educated him. Or if he had to die, kill him in an honourable way.

A TV image of a US soldier, cigar in mouth, saying we engaged him in a gunfight, fair and square, and he was shot in combat, does infinitely more good than saying we sneaked up on him from 10 km away and fired a missile.

Killing a man by remote and the crowing about it just enrages other militants. Killing him in one to one combat, and then saying it was sad but had to be done, will scare potential terrorists.

The West never seems to learn.

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#30965 - 09 Jun 06 08:45 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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on the same day, 31 civilians killed by insurgents.

i was wondering what all the crowing was about -- seemed just a tad overdone -- until it was revealed this morning that there was in fact "collateral damage" -- a woman and child.

now, if this was a "real" war, the US need not be embarrassed by civilian deaths, but they are on hte defensive, politically and militarily, which means they have already lost. don't they ever learn?
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#30966 - 09 Jun 06 09:06 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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I was talking about the psychology of warfare.

To kill by missile is as bad as killing by roadside bombs. And the West cannot complain about people cheering every time a US soldier is killed – the Western leaders cheer when AZ is killed.

You must make the enemy think that he lost honourably, and that he had the advantage, but that you fought better.

If AZ had been in some well defended camp, surrounded by hundreds of his men, and had been killed by a small handful of dedicated Special Forces men, then anyone thinking of becoming a terrorist would say “wait a minute, we had the advantage but they still killed AZ, and then they said they were sorry, but he had to die too bring peace – maybe these Americans are not so bad after all”.

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#30967 - 12 Jun 06 06:53 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Zarqawi followers 'vow revenge'

The results of Zarqawi 's autopsy are not being made public yet
Al-Qaeda in Iraq will launch "major attacks" to avenge the death of leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a web statement thought to be from the group has said.
The attacks would "shake the enemy from its sleep", the statement said.

The organisation said it had renewed its allegiance to Osama Bin Laden, but no successor to Zarqawi has been named.

The statement came as two US army doctors completed an autopsy on Zarqawi, who was killed after a US bombing raid on Wednesday.

In some of the latest Iraqi violence:

Four people are killed and at least 10 injured in a car bomb attack in the central Karrada district of Baghdad

A bomb attack in the north of the city severely injures a senior police officer, Maj-Gen Ali Hussein, and kills his driver

Gunmen shoot dead an official of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's party the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and at least one other person in the northern oil city of Kirkuk

Police in the southern town of Amara say five civilians were killed in a gun battle between British troops and insurgents on Saturday which left one British soldier wounded.


Sensitive to traditions

The internet statement was issued in the name of al-Qaeda in Iraq, but apparently published by the Mujahideen Council, an umbrella organisation of insurgent groups founded by Zarqawi.

For those who were waging holy war for the sake of al-Zarqawi, al-Zarqawi is dead - but for those who were fighting for the sake of God, God is alive and eternal

Al-Qaeda in Iraq statement

Its authenticity has not yet been confirmed.

"We plan large-scaled operations that will shake the enemy and rob them of sleep," the statement said.

It added that the group had not been affected by Zarqawi's "martyrdom".

"The organisation has strengthened its back, regained its footing and has been renewed with fresh blood," it said.

"For those who were waging holy war for the sake of al-Zarqawi, al-Zarqawi is dead. But for those who were fighting for the sake of God, God is alive and eternal."

Questions have arisen over how Zarqawi died since the Americans revealed he had still been alive following the bombing of a safe house by US planes.

It is unclear if Zarqawi's remains will be released to his family in Jordan.

The two experts were sensitive to Muslim traditions about dealing with the body, another US spokesman Maj-Gen William Caldwell said.

Zarqawi was still alive when Iraqi police got to the scene of the air strikes but he died shortly afterwards from his wounds, Gen Caldwell said earlier. US planes dropped two 500lb (230kg) bombs on his safe house near the city of Baquba on Wednesday.

The top US general in Iraq, George Casey, denied widely reported eyewitness comments suggesting that Zarqawi had been beaten by US soldiers before his death.

Gen Casey told the US Fox News network that the allegation was ludicrous and that in fact Zarqawi was being given medical attention.

US military officials had earlier said Zarqawi did not survive the strike, which they said came after tip-offs from his organisation.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5069186.stm
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#30968 - 13 Jun 06 04:15 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Al-Qaeda in Iraq names new head

Al-Qaeda in Iraq has named a successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, days after he was killed in a US air strike.
Abu Hamza al-Muhajir is "knowledgeable" and has a history of fighting a holy war, said an internet message on a site used by Islamic militants.
But observers say little is known about him - the name could be a pseudonym.
The news came as US military officials said Zarqawi had died from injuries consistent with the results of a bomb.
Questions had arisen over how he had died after the Americans revealed he had still been alive following the bombing of a safe house by US planes on Wednesday.
Click here to see the location of the attack on Zarqawi
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/map#map
In other developments:
• The US military in Iraq says its aircraft killed nine people in an attack on a "terrorist cell", but witnesses say the dead are civilians
• At least 10 people are killed and many more injured in two car bomb attacks on markets in Baghdad
• US President George W Bush is holding two days of discussions with military officials and diplomats for what his advisers say is a crucial reassessment of the war in Iraq.
Pseudonym
The statement from al-Qaeda in Iraq said its council had "unanimously agreed" on the choice.

Muhajir is "a good brother, has a history in jihad [holy war] and is knowledgeable", the message said.
"We ask God that he... continue what Sheikh Abu Musab began," it added.
Muhajir was not among the names al-Qaeda analysts had expected as a probable successor, and is believed to be a pseudonym.
Analysts say the name al-Muhajir - which is Arabic for immigrant - suggests he is not Iraqi.
The group has been quick to declare their operations will continue despite the loss of their exceptionally violent leader, the BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner says.
Zarqawi was accused of leading the rash of kidnappings and beheadings of foreign workers.
Our correspondent says military analysts will be now watching to see if al-Qaeda in Iraq continues its campaign against Shia Muslims - or focuses its attacks more narrowly to broaden support among Iraqis.
Zarqawi autopsy
Zarqawi and five others were killed after US planes dropped two 500lb (230kg) bombs on a safe house near the city of Baquba on Wednesday.

Giving the first details of Zarqawi's autopsy, US military doctor Steve Jones told reporters the cause of death was a blast injury to the lungs.
DNA analysis had confirmed the corpse was Zarqawi's and it bore "no evidence of beating or any firearm injuries", he added.
Major General William Caldwell said they administered medical help to the mortally wounded Zarqawi, who had taken nearly an hour to die after the strike.
US military officials have denied widely reported eyewitness allegations suggesting Zarqawi had been beaten by US soldiers before his death.
The US had earlier announced Zarqawi did not survive the air strike, which they said came after tip-offs from his organisation.
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#30969 - 13 Jun 06 09:19 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Reports now emerge that US troops might have indulged in a bit of fisticuffs with AZ before he passed on to his 40 fat slappers or whatever he thinks he will get in his heaven.

Shock Horror.

Oh no says the US ,army, “they were rendering him assistance and he fell off the stretcher”.

Left to me I would have had the Company line up to kick his fucking head in, and invited the press in to see his brains (what little he had) splatter around a bit. I would have made sure his wife and kids got to see it to. If he could have been kept alive long enough I would have flown him to G Bay so that the inmates could have a first hand look at how the West deals with arseholes.

Good for the US army for beating him to death, only another few hundred to go.

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#30970 - 13 Jun 06 09:37 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Originally posted by The One and Only Polar Bear:

Good for the US army for beating him to death, only another few hundred to go.
Well that depends, if they continue to crow about what they have done in the media, that number will go continue to rise, it's their religious birthright, or so it would seem!

Any chance we can chat about football, something light? David Beckham is quoted in the news saying "We did what we had to do", which proves to me that, as I had thought all along, if the guy had another braincell, he would be a plant!
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#30971 - 13 Jun 06 09:41 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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#30972 - 13 Jun 06 09:41 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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US team collapsed this morning...LOL!
kuku said "malu-maluin aja"! laugh
good thing I was at work!
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#30973 - 13 Jun 06 09:43 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Don’t knock Beckham. The easiest way to get a Japanese girl into bed is to say you once met him…..

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#30974 - 13 Jun 06 09:46 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Originally posted by The One and Only Polar Bear:
Don’t knock Beckam. The easiest way to get a Japanese girl into bed is to say you once met him…..

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If you knocked too hard all of the wood worms in his head would die, then how would be able to function..... I prefer ugly decent footballers over media darlings who have trouble with their own language (sure Peter Beardsley was rarely understandable, but then he is a geordie after all!) :p
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#30975 - 13 Jun 06 09:47 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Q) Whats the difference between Beckham and Posh Spice!

A)Posh doesn't kick back when taken from behind!
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#30976 - 13 Jun 06 09:47 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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I saw England play in the giant Imax theatre in Sydney surrounded by a sea of England fans. Once again I was reminded of how absolutely nasty (and funny) they can be.

If you want Bagdad sorting out, arrange a friendly between I-Fuka-Camel United and England. My money is on the England fans.

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#30977 - 13 Jun 06 09:49 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Q) Whats the difference between Beckham and Posh Spice!

A)Posh doesn't kick back when taken from behind!
laugh laugh laugh , am nearly crying, that's so funny!
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#30978 - 13 Jun 06 09:51 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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I saw England play in the giant Imax theatre in Sydney surrounded by a sea of England fans. Once again I was reminded of how absolutely nasty (and funny) they can be.

If you want Bagdad sorting out, arrange a friendly between I-Fuka-Camel United and England. My money is on the England fans.
Or round them up and send them all over to the catholic estates on Orange day....that would be BLOODY interesting!....hey P.B., just finished a book about Robert Nairac....ever hear of him??
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#30979 - 13 Jun 06 09:52 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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His job is a midfielder. He does it very well. In fact he is widely regarded as the best n the world.

I guess he doesn’t need brains (not many sportsmen do….)

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#30980 - 13 Jun 06 10:01 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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His job is a midfielder. He does it very well. In fact he is widely regarded as the best n the world.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha, best in the world, well we have the next couple of weeks to find out! My opinion is there are much better players in central midfield than him (two that currently play for England, Lampard and Gerrard), and as a winger, well let's just say he's not the fastest is he, anyway's I digress, at least it's not about war!!
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#30981 - 13 Jun 06 10:07 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Magpie:
hey P.B., just finished a book about Robert Nairac....ever hear of him??
I didn’t know Nairac, however I have met people who did. I haven’t read any books about him, however I have some knowledge of the late 70s Northern Ireland situation. These were strange times indeed.

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#30982 - 13 Jun 06 10:13 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Magpie:
hey P.B., just finished a book about Robert Nairac....ever hear of him??
I didn’t know Nairac, however I have met people who did. I haven’t read any books about him, however I have some knowledge of the late 70s Northern Ireland situation. These were strange times indeed.
It's a really good book, an investigation into what he was upto and why...doesnt try to give you an answer, just lay's out what happened, and gives you some pointers....for me it was really interesting because my dad was serving over there at the same time....and reveals nothing about what he did in IReland at all, which entrigued me. If you want the book, i could send it to you, I know it seems a little forward, but I have read it and no longer have use for it (it was one of my second hand bookshop specials). If your interested, its yours

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#30983 - 13 Jun 06 10:15 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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Originally posted by Magpie:
Quote:
Originally posted by The One and Only Polar Bear:
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Originally posted by Magpie:
hey P.B., just finished a book about Robert Nairac....ever hear of him??
I didn’t know Nairac, however I have met people who did. I haven’t read any books about him, however I have some knowledge of the late 70s Northern Ireland situation. These were strange times indeed.
It's a really good book, an investigation into what he was upto and why...doesnt try to give you an answer, just lay's out what happened, and gives you some pointers....for me it was really interesting because my dad was serving over there at the same time....and reveals nothing about what he did in IReland at all, which entrigued me. If you want the book, i could send it to you, I know it seems a little forward, but I have read it and no longer have use for it (it was one of my second hand bookshop specials). If your interested, its yours

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Oh and a couple of ideas that I came up with while reading it was

1. He was A manic depressive/whatever, and was very very very high at the time (that bulletproof feeling)

2. He was working for MI5 and they totally stitched him (a photo of him in uniform was printed in the irish press 2 months before he died, while he was still working "undercover")
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#30984 - 13 Jun 06 10:17 Re: AL-Zarkawi is DEAD!
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I think England were still reforming as a team against Paraguay, and Beckham didn’t play too badly. There were a few players who didn’t seem to make any great efforts, and a few who played well.

Given Swedens draw, England stand an excellent chance of going through to the next round.

As you well know, England always starts out like this, start with a whimper, and ending with a roar. No point in peaking too soon.

Believe me, England are doing just fine so far. Who cares HOW the goal was scored. The thing is England ended the game 1 0.

One thing that always fascinates me is this insistence that England must play for the game, not to win. Bodyline Cricket, and Johnnie Wilkinson (and the entire style of play) in 2003 were two classic examples of where England used everything legal to win. Only to have Aussies cry foul.

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