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#30150 - 17 Apr 06 21:52 Arms to Indonesia
Polar Bear Offline
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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Two charged in arms smuggling plot
Thursday - 13 April 2006 - Agence France-Presse
An Indonesian and a Singapore man have been charged with attempting to smuggle arms from the United States to
Indonesia, federal prosecutors said today.
The two men tried to purchase $US500,000 ($683,200) worth of parts to be used for radar and missile guidance systems
on military aircraft and $US1 million ($1.37 million) worth of machine guns, sniper rifles and other weapons, the criminal
indictment said.
None of the weapons made it out of the country, prosecutors said.
"The phrase border security means more than just holding the line against people and things that shouldn't get into the
United States. Equally important is protecting what goes out," Brian Moskowitz, special agent in charge of US Immigration
and Customs Enforcement in Detroit, said in a statement.
"Guarding against the illegal export of America's controlled arms and critical technology is a vital component of ICE's
strategy to protect America's national security interests in a global economy."
Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso, 41, of Indonesia and Ibrahim Bin Amran, 46, of Singapore were arrested in Hawaii.
Both men face penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of over $US1 million ($1.37 million).

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#30151 - 17 Apr 06 21:54 Re: Arms to Indonesia
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Indonesia denies US arms smuggling
Saturday - 15 April 2006 - Agence France-Presse
THE Indonesian military denied today any involvement in a plot to smuggle arms into the country from the US after one of
its suppliers was arrested in Hawai.
Earlier this week US federal prosecutors charged the 41-year-old Indonesian, Hadianto Joko Juliarso, and Ibrahim Bin
Amran, 46, of Singapore. Both men face penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of over $US1 million ($1.3m).
The two tried to purchase $US500,000 ($686,250) worth of parts for radar and missile guidance systems on military
aircraft and one million dollars' worth of machine guns, sniper rifles and other weapons, the criminal indictment said.
None of the weapons made it out of the country, prosecutors said.
What Juliarso was doing "was not ordered by the Indonesian armed forces or any of our branch," army spokesman
Mohammad Sunarto said.
"He is a relatively new supplier since he was listed just over a year ago. Any violation of the US law from his latest
business deal has nothing to do with us," the spokesman said.
The US, eager for Indonesia's assistance in the "war on terror", resumed full military ties last November with the world's
largest Islamic nation.
They were severed over human rights allegations against the military in 1991 when Jakarta's forces launched a bloody
crackdown on pro-independence protesters in East Timor.

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#30152 - 17 Apr 06 21:57 Re: Arms to Indonesia
Polar Bear Offline
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So what the Hell is going on?????

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#30153 - 17 Apr 06 22:00 Re: Arms to Indonesia
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#30154 - 17 Apr 06 22:04 Re: Arms to Indonesia
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
So what the Hell is going on?????
i've been asking myself the same question. there have been some rather contradictive comments from military people in the local indonesian press; some defensive, some denying the traders had any thing to do with official indonesian arms purchases, and others seeming to want 2 bob each way.

something smells.
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#30155 - 17 Apr 06 22:10 Re: Arms to Indonesia
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What I finf most condfusing is it seems to be two logistical components.

Snipers rifles, machine guns, etc says terrorist or small time operators.

Radar and guidance systems says something MUCH bigger and suggests official sanction.

Maybe Indonesia is building something (medium range missles?) and needs equipement that the USA wouls not supply, or the purchase of such would make the intentions clear.

whatever the reason it should be ringing alarm bells in Australia.

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#30156 - 17 Apr 06 22:35 Re: Arms to Indonesia
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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From Antara

Apr 17 20:26
Defence ministry to blacklist partners involved in Hawaii case


Jakarta (Antara News) - Defense minister Juwono Sudarsono said here on Monday he would blacklist partners proven involved in the case of illegal arms purchase deal in Hawaii.

"We are now still conducting a study and examining partners of the defense ministry and the defense forces (TNI) headquarters including those in Singapore as in principle those involved in the case are agents in Singapore," he said after a coordination meeting on politics, legal affairs and security.

He said the partners of the Indonesian defense ministry and the TNI headquarters were merely exploited by partners from Singapore that had ordered a number of weapons never ordered by the defense ministry and the TNI heaquarters.

He said the two Indonesian airforce officers had been in the US to check and verify condition of F-5 Tiger and C-130 Hercules radar spareparts.

The two officers` presence in the US was legitimate as they carried valid documents from the TNI Headquarters and the US government had also confirmed about F-5 and C-130 radar spareparts procurement with a certificate they had given.

The minister said however that on a separate occasion a civilian partner consisting of Indonesians and Singaporeans had ordered various kinds of arms from a US supplier, which the TNI had never ordered before.

"So the TNI in this case the airforce only deals with F-5 and C-130 Hercules radar spareparts," he said.

He said the Indonesian government had already explained about it to the US ambassador to Indonesia and his defense attache.

"So we are now studying if these partners are partners of the TNI headquartesrs and the defense ministry or not. If they are included in their list of partners they will be blacklisted," he said.

The Federal Authority in Hawaii has arrested four people including two Indonesian citizens on April 9 on charges of illegally purchasing arms.

The arms they purchased and would likely export to Indonesia include 240 units of missiles, 862 units of machineguns, 800 pistols and 15 snipers.

The two Indonesians are Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso and Ignatius Ferdinandus Soeharli.

The secretary general of the ministry of defense, Lt Gen Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, said the government was still awaiting the legal process on Hadianto. He said Hadianto was partner of the defense ministry but he had attended a meeting discussing illegal arms deal.

"This is a crucial matter because Hadianto while being a partner has been involved in a discussion on alleged illegal arms purchase deal. This is what the US will investigate," he said. (*)
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