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#30034 - 08 Apr 06 20:24 scary news!
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the words Nuclear Bombs, and phrases like planning as "enormous," "hectic" and "operational", should give us all concern.....


The Australian Breaking newsThis story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP

US 'considers nuclear strikes'
From correspondents in Washington
April 08, 2006
THE administration of US President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine reported in its April 17 issue.
The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Mr Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler.

"That's the name they're using," the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying.

A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that "this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war."

The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," Mr Hersh writes.

One former defence official said the military planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government," The New Yorker pointed out.

In recent weeks, the President has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.

One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Mr Hersh writes.

But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report.

"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying.

The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah.

"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.

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#30035 - 08 Apr 06 20:33 Re: scary news!
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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surely they -- the US and their military -- could not be that stupid.

could they?
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#30036 - 08 Apr 06 21:02 Re: scary news!
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I have been afraid of this for some time.

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#30037 - 08 Apr 06 22:14 Re: scary news!
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Ahh.... Americans... smile

Why are they SO HOT in bed, but so stupid in making military decisions... frown
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#30038 - 08 Apr 06 22:38 Re: scary news!
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I had a feeling this would eventuates when the US starts proding the Iranians.

It's gonna be nuclear winter in the northern hemisphere and it is just a matter of weeks before we in the southern hemisphere be blanketted as well. Unless we have plenty of cyclones to push it north.

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#30039 - 09 Apr 06 00:14 Re: scary news!
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Even the president of France !! threatened to bomb Iran, even nuke them. His speech:

<blockquote>As I emphasized immediately after the attacks of 11 September 2001, nuclear deterrence is not intended to deter fanatical terrorists. Yet, the leaders of States who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using, in one way or another, weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part. This response could be a conventional one. It could also be of a different kind.

From its origins, deterrence has always continued to adapt, in its spirit as well as in terms of its means, to our environment and to the threat analysis I have just recalled. We are in a position to inflict damage of any kind on a major power that would want to attack interests we would regard as vital. Against a regional power, our choice would not be between inaction or annihilation. The flexibility and reactivity of our strategic forces would enable us to exercise our response directly against its centres of power and its capacity to act. All our nuclear forces have been configured accordingly.</blockquote>

<a href="http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/statmnts/2006/chirac_speech_armedforces_finistere011906.asp">Speech</a> from Jan. this year, clearly aimed at Iran. There were reports some months back, in Spiegel I think, that Nato had already drawn up plans for attacking Iran.

Iran has to be dealt with somehow, either now or later, better now.
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#30040 - 09 Apr 06 08:45 Re: scary news!
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This is just crazy. I am an avid reader of military history. there is an eerie echo of 1914 here. Major powers posturing. Countries mobilising. Populations caught up in jingoism.

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#30041 - 09 Apr 06 08:51 Re: scary news!
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Much wailing & gnashing of teeth. At least Franz Ferdinand are a band and not a member of the Sarajevo Royalty!
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#30042 - 09 Apr 06 08:54 Re: scary news!
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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yes, there could be a large element of posturing by the US. nonetheless, even posturing can be dangerous and spiral out of control.
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#30043 - 09 Apr 06 08:56 Re: scary news!
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I think the US public may not allow this one through! There is so much popular anger regarding the US presence in Iraq, I think that common sense will prevail, Iran is just too big a can of worms!
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#30044 - 09 Apr 06 09:01 Re: scary news!
Polar Bear Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
yes, there could be a large element of posturing by the US. nonetheless, even posturing can be dangerous and spiral out of control.
Which is exactly the danger. once you place a countries ego in jepardy, you risk having to back it up.

The two issues are:

1. Nuclear bunker busters and a fire and forget. By the time the public hear in on CNN its all over. Bloody big hole in the ground.

2. It is nuclear warfare. it risks a chain of events that end with smoking cities....

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#30045 - 09 Apr 06 09:04 Re: scary news!
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Here is the weather forecast for Natanz

Mostly cloudy with a maximum temperature of 3-1/2 million degrees
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#30046 - 09 Apr 06 09:13 Re: scary news!
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You guys watch futurama?

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