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#29340 - 24 Dec 05 10:18 I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I am shocked, disgusted and very embarrassed to find that two Australian consultants working on the reconstruction of Ache post Tsunami have be paid 50,000 dollars a MONTH.

That works out to be 325,000,000 Rp a month. This money came from the donations intended for the victims.

This was supposed to be a humanitarian aid program to help people who suffered badly from a natural disaster. I know a lot of people who are working on the program for very little money. I know how little the people of Ache earn.

I am not a violent men, but I swear if I ever meet these two animals I will take great delight in pummeling their face in.

I would like to apologise to all of you. Not everyone in Australia is a fat callous bastard like these two.

It is not just Australia – I just looked on the web: Up to about a third of the $590 million U.N. fund spent for the Indian Ocean tsunami relief may have gone to pay for overhead.
The Financial Times says its two-month investigation showed the money appears to have been spent on administration, staff and related costs. The $590 million was part of the United Nation's $1.1 billion disaster flash appeal.

I have never been more angry and embarrassed in my life. I promise I will do something about this.

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#29341 - 24 Dec 05 10:37 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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ohhhh..I'm so sorry to heard that

so,than..what will you do Ros?...

maybe you can share here....
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#29342 - 24 Dec 05 12:46 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Well fist of all I will write to the newspapers, and to the politicians.

Secondly, I have the name of these two idiots. I will track thme down and xcontact thme, expressing my disgust at tiher profiting from the pain of others.


Thirdly I will write to the charities in question and shame the into reducing overheads. There is NO EXCUSE for 30% overheads.

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#29343 - 24 Dec 05 14:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by rosco:
Well fist of all I will write to the newspapers, and to the politicians.

Secondly, I have the name of these two idiots. I will track thme down and xcontact thme, expressing my disgust at tiher profiting from the pain of others.


Thirdly I will write to the charities in question and shame the into reducing overheads. There is NO EXCUSE for 30% overheads.
apparently, you're a person who really cared with this case..what a nice person you're.. smile

indeed, as we know.. the Aceh's suffering was the suffering all of us... eek
so,we'll get angry...annoying...disppointed... if there's a person that took apportunity in the narrowness...
but some times we can't do anything...

however, hopefully you get lucky Ros... smile
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#29344 - 24 Dec 05 19:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I will not allow some asshole to profit out of the death and suffering of people....

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#29345 - 25 Dec 05 19:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Aceh aid salaries slammed
Simon Kearney
December 24, 2005
TWO Australian aid workers are being paid $50,000 a month by taxpayers to help in tsunami-ravaged Aceh, where many people live on $2 a day and most aid workers are volunteers who work for minimal wages.

The salaries have been slammed as "boomerang aid" and come in the wake of an OECD report that criticised Australia's bilateral aid budget because half the money went to technical consultants.

AusAID paid strategic management consultant Bill Nicol $346,000 for six months' work to November advising the Indonesian Government authority overseeing reconstruction in Aceh.

A second contract was given to Andrew Whillas for $307,000 to give "technical advice" to the Australia Indonesia Partnership for Reconstruction and Development, which is doling out Australia's $1billion aid pledge in the wake of the disaster.

A spokeswoman for the Aceh Agency for Reconstruction (BRR) said Mr Nicol was employed by the AIPRD as an individual and seconded to BRR.

In a written answer to a question on notice, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer earlier this month said Mr Nicol was providing management advice to the reconstruction organisation and was doing a good job.

He said AusAID did not have the skills in-house to provide a public servant to do the job.

AusAID said the consultants were paid market rates and given "hardship" loadings because they had to live in Banda Aceh, which is still being rebuilt after the disaster.

"Overseas appointments are based on competitive international market rates," an AusAID spokeswoman said. "One of the criteria on which we select is value for money and for these postings which are based in Aceh we required very experienced professionals with specialised expertise and these are hardship postings."

Aid Watch spokesman Tim O'Connor said the salaries were another example of "boomerang aid", where money that was supposed to go to developing countries ended up back in Australia in the pockets of advisers.

"I think it's scandalous that they are getting $300,000 to do a six-month contract when most people in Aceh are living on $2 a day," Mr O'Connor said.

Opposition development spokesman Bob Sercombe called for an explanation.

"The Government has got some explaining to do when it can't find money for basic needs in Aceh but it can find what seem to be pretty extravagant salaries," he said.

A review of Australia's aid budget by the OECD found earlier this year that 46per cent of bilateral aid was provided as "technical assistance", almost double the OECD average.

"Aid delivery, even in countries under stress, must ensure that capacity-building and, to the extent possible, local ownership are at the forefront," the report said.

"The role and significant share of external technical assistance as well as AusAID's high reliance on managing contractors should be carefully analysed and its impact assessed against partnership and ownership principles."

World Vision chief executive Tim Costello, whose organisation has 400 workers in Aceh, did not want to comment on the size of the salaries, but said Mr Nicol was doing a "tough job" very well.

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#29346 - 25 Dec 05 19:24 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I have tried several times to comment on the above extract from the Australian Newspaper.

Each time I end up shaking with anger. I promise I will get even with Nicol and Whillas. They do not deserve to breathe the same air as other humans.

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#29347 - 25 Dec 05 19:43 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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This is my email to Ausaid:

Sir,

I am disgusted and ashamed to learn that two so called “consultants” are being paid in excess of $50,000 per month for work on the tsunami relief project.

How you any idea of the damage this is doing to the reputation of Australia, and to the reputation of all aid agencies world wide?

( have always had a very poor opinion of Ausaid’s ability to provide value for money, and this is the last straw.

I refuse to allow my tax money to be mis-spent in this manner. I will persue this debacle to the very end.

I probably hold better qualifications then either of your consultants (Mechanical Engineering, MBA, Army Officer specialising in Logistics).

If you are incapable of finding value for money methods of locating people I will do it for free. Before you tell me about “market rates and hardship allowances” allow me to inform you that I had friends in Ache within days, and who worked for free. These were not “do-gooders” but professional engineers.

This email will be copied to my many friends in Indonesia. I will be forced to apologise on behalf of Australia. No doubt most Indonesians with perceive this to be either total stupidity or rampant corruption within Ausaid. They will probably deduce that you cannot be trusted with Australian taxpayers money.


yours in disgust

Ross Donald Hilton

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#29348 - 02 Jan 06 18:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 17 Nov 05
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Loc: singapore
hahaha the same as in singapore

the C.E.O. of the singapore national kidney
fondationn,a charity organisation, paid himslelf singapore 600,000
thousand dollars a year.on top of that he also pay himslef 3 months bonus, and even worst he give all contracts to company which he is a director, anyway he got alot explanation to do
and will most likely spent the rest of his
life in prison

it take all kinds to make this world
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#29349 - 04 Jan 06 11:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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Personally, William, I beleive the punishment must match the crime. I would surgically remove both his kidneys (donate them to someone worth living) and dump him on the street to die.

The two Australian tsanami "thieves": - i would chain them to as large concrete block in the water at low tide, and let them drown like the thousands of poor people did.

The australian drug dealers currenlty sitting in Singaporean and Indonesian jails: - inject them with the full quantity of drugs they were carrying. If they carry enough to kill someone - its tough!

Rapists - i would hammer a large wine bottle up their bum.

and so on....

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#29350 - 04 Jan 06 12:11 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 21 Dec 05
Posts: 13
Loc: Jakarta
50000 $ per month?
I guess 50000$ would be quite enough to build a nice small school in the region!

More than the guys who are accepting these absurd pay packages it the people who are paying them to blame. It is really a personal choice whether someone wants to do a humanitarian project or not.

And then again its a matter of personal choice whether someone wants to do a humanitarian project for free or for a hefty paycheck. To work full time on this project he would probably be leaving a higher paying job back home... you never know.


The real culprits are the people paying them, who believe that this kind of money would be better utilized sitting happily in someone's pocket rather than going into solid brick and mortar shelters/roads/schools for the suffering people.

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#29351 - 04 Jan 06 12:30 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 08 Nov 05
Posts: 89
Loc: Bandung
2day I'm trying to login..but I'm dispointing because nobody here...
where are you guys!!!

and then I'm trying to choise this topic...
uhhhh...it's a serious topic for me...

and I don't know what can I post for this topic..so I'll try to find other topic..

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#29352 - 04 Jan 06 13:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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You could do so much for 50,000 dollars.

I am so angry about this.

Sonya, Im here darling! Waiting just for you...

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#29353 - 25 Jan 06 12:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Not only aussies...I met 2 austrian who works in non profit NGO in Aceh. They talk about hows poor Aceh in the club with coctails in their hand. Pretty ironic for me.

And also some indo governments who corrupt donations money for tsunami. Euh... frown
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#29354 - 25 Jan 06 13:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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It really is disgusting, claiming to be doing so much for the needy, and sitting on their arse making a fortune....

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#29355 - 25 Jan 06 13:14 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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Registered: 07 Nov 05
Posts: 2552
Loc: Central Jakarta
Quote:
Originally posted by i_beth:
Not only aussies...I met 2 austrian who works in non profit NGO in Aceh. They talk about hows poor Aceh in the club with coctails in their hand. Pretty ironic for me.

And also some indo governments who corrupt donations money for tsunami. Euh... frown
that's always be happen, where having an apportunity for corruption,the corruptor will be there..
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#29356 - 25 Jan 06 13:31 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I would burn them alive on a stake!!!!

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#29357 - 25 Jan 06 13:51 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
I would burn them alive on a stake!!!!
lemme watch you do that!
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#29358 - 25 Jan 06 17:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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Im not joking...

Profiting from the suffering of others is the worst crime i can think of. it is the ultimate in selfishness.

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#29359 - 09 Mar 06 17:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has defended Australian aid agencies against claims they are making little progress in rebuilding Indonesia's tsunami-hit Aceh province.

The head of the Indonesian agency in charge of post-tsunami reconstruction reportedly has put Australian charities on notice that they need to build more houses faster or face being thrown out.

But Mr Downer said it was wrong to attack the aid agencies.

"I wouldn't attack the Australian aid agencies," he told reporters in Adelaide.

"I completely disagree with those comments.

"I think they've done a wonderful job and I've monitored fairly carefully the activities of the Australian aid agencies.

"You can't just build all of the houses that are needed overnight.

"It takes time, you've got to get planning approvals, you've got to get the agreement of the local villagers for where the houses should be built, what sort of houses should be built - all of these things take a good deal of time."

Mr Downer said it was patronising to expect agencies to build houses without consulting local communities.

"It's going to take years to complete this work, not months," he said.

AAP

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#29360 - 09 Mar 06 17:41 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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Once again everyone, I am very sorry.

do-gooders and profesional "aid workers" are pretty much useless. I am a professional project manager. i work miracles most days of the week.... I am disgusted at this stupidity. I will write to my government.

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#29361 - 09 Mar 06 18:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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go ahead PB...
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#29362 - 09 Mar 06 19:54 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hey Guys, get real! Disasters mean money, it has never changed since the "African Crisis"

The money involved is off course obscene, however, the skills involved require massive experience for those who have to Project Manage, US $ 10-15K a month is realistic, I am in agreement with PB on the overall stand, but to ensure you get more "Bang for your Buck" you probably need to employ people who know how to how handle these sums of money.

The real obscenity here is that the people concerned did not drop their rate in view of the Humanitarian disaster
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#29363 - 09 Mar 06 20:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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most people i know who are involved in the "aid industry" are idealistic idiots.

They are usually bearded ex hippies who have never done a "real" job, and enjoy travelling the world at others expense.

I know from my engineering days, from my army training and experience, and from my IT work, how projects should be run.

The logistical deployement of troops in Gulf 1 or 2, or the Falklands, towers over the reconstruction projects currently on hand, and were achieved very quickly by guys on very low pay.

In November i had a few beers with the the British Defence Attache and a Tsunami reconstruction "engineer". Both were COMPLETE WANKERS. they were more interested in screwing bar girls in My Bar than in doing the job.

The conversation for at least a week was on how to seal a concrete floor of a hospital ward. any fucking civil engineer could tell them how to do it in 15 minutes But they just kept on slurping beers and shagging girls. its just a big long holiday to them......

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#29364 - 09 Mar 06 20:34 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Too true PB, Dilli.

I have met a few myself. No wonder organisation like the UN is full of idealistic wankers with attitude. Most of them are more interested in shagging the locals than do actual work.

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