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#28661 - 13 Mar 06 21:14 Dutch over reaction
Polar Bear Offline
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Sadly, this article shows that some countries have started to over react to the current issues over Islam....

Many Western Christians would be offended by men kissing. My mother would be shocked by a topless girl on a beach. Showing crime-ridden ghettos is just a blatent attempt to put people off migrating.....

We MUST stop this madness, or this will end in a war whch will make WW1 look like a tea party.

All of this makes me very sad.




Gay film to test Dutch migrants

March 13, 2006
AMSTERDAM: Two men kissing in a park and a topless female bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants to The Netherlands.

The reactions of applicants will be examined to see whether they are able to accept the country's liberal attitudes.

From Wednesday, the DVD -- which also shows the often crime-ridden ghettos where poorer immigrants might end up living -- will form part of an entrance test, in Dutch, covering the language and culture of Holland.

Those sitting the test will be expected to know which country Crown Princess Maxima comes from (Argentina) and whether hitting women and female circumcision are permitted.

Muslim leaders in Holland say the film is offensive.

"It really is a provocation aimed to limit immigration. It has nothing to do with the rights of homosexuals. Even Dutch people don't want to see that," said Abdou Menebhi, the Moroccan-born director of Emcemo, an organisation that helps immigrants to settle.

"They are trying to find every pretext to show that people should not come to The Netherlands because they are fundamentalist or not emancipated," he said. "They confront people with these things and then judge them afterwards."

Famile Arslan, 34, an immigration lawyer of Turkish origin, agreed. "I have lived here for 30 years and have never been witness to two men kissing in the park. So why are they confronting people with that?" she said.

She accused the Government of preaching tolerance about civil rights while targeting non-Westerners with harsh and discriminatory immigration curbs.

The new test -- the first of its kind in the world -- marks another step in the transformation of Holland from one of Europe's most liberal countries to the one cracking down hardest on immigration.

Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, known as Iron Rita, has introduced compulsory integration classes, higher age limits for marriage to people from abroad and the removal of residency permits if immigrants commit petty crimes.

She has also talked of banning the burka.

The measures were prompted in part by outrage over the 2004 murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, who had made a film about the oppression of women in Muslim communities.

Applicants will sit the exam at one of 138 embassies around the world. They will answer 15 minutes of questions and those who pass the first stage will have to complete two "citizenship" tests over five years and swear a pledge of allegiance to Holland and its constitution.

The Centre-Right Government of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende believes the tests will provide an objective way of assessing the suitability of applicants by gauging how well prepared they are to make the transition to Dutch life and their willingness to integrate.

Dirk Nieuwboer, a Dutch journalist based in Istanbul, said the multiple-choice cultural test included a question about how to behave in a cafe if two men at the next table started kissing.

"There was another question about which former Dutch colony a particular spice came from," said Nieuwboer.

"Most Dutch people don't know these things."

The Sunday Times

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#28662 - 13 Mar 06 21:42 Re: Dutch over reaction
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Let me think about this one!
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#28663 - 13 Mar 06 21:46 Re: Dutch over reaction
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I don't mind seeing two bears kissing smile
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#28664 - 14 Mar 06 06:36 Re: Dutch over reaction
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I can understand where they're coming from in that context. And I agree with some points in the context. We, as migrant to any country, should obey the law of the country, follow the rules & regulations, integrate with the general population, adopt to the new environment, AND without losing our very own identity. However, in the context above, I sense a tone of homogeneity (I don't mean homosexuality). A country (read: government) should never impose a blanket of monoism into a plural society.

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#28665 - 14 Mar 06 07:05 Re: Dutch over reaction
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Goof wrote: "should never impose a blanket of monoism into a plural society".

I think this is exactly the point. Once you start dictating national characteristics you start treading on dangerous ground....

The move is an obvious reaction (and over reaction) to the current problems in Holland.

Sadly, they created the problem themselves by being far too liberal in the first place.

Tailoring migration rules and policies to exclude Muslims is NOT the answer. It fails to take into account the Muslims already in Holland, and unfairly excludes Muslims.

Education is what is required, not restrictive rules. A state Muslim TV channel would be a good start, as would a clear set of rules for ALL members of society, defining what is acceptable and what is not.

Even in Australia there are “unwritten rules – at Bondi beach one end of the beach is almost “anything goes”, the other is a family end, where topless girls are frowned upon. How can we expect new migrants to understand these unwritten rules……

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#28666 - 14 Mar 06 09:12 Re: Dutch over reaction
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
Goof wrote: "should never impose a blanket of monoism into a plural society".

Sadly, they created the problem themselves by being far too liberal in the first place.

Education is what is required, not restrictive rules. A state Muslim TV channel would be a good start, as would a clear set of rules for ALL members of society, defining what is acceptable and what is not.
I totally agree wit u PB. sometimes too liberal can cause issues and problem. it seems 'boomerang'

right on PB. you made great suggestion hopefully the government heard. good education is what needed in every country wink

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#28667 - 14 Mar 06 10:16 Re: Dutch over reaction
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I dont think anyone should be afraid of Islam.

I dont think anyone should be afraid of Christianity.

Everyone is afraid of the unknown - which is why we are afraid of the dark.

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#28668 - 14 Mar 06 11:14 Re: Dutch over reaction
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#28669 - 14 Mar 06 11:23 Re: Dutch over reaction
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The darkest hours come just before the dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbour's milk and newspaper, that's the time to do it.
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#28670 - 14 Mar 06 12:02 Re: Dutch over reaction
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thats where my paper has gone !

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#28671 - 14 Mar 06 16:19 Re: Dutch over reaction
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That should be the immigration test! In the dark wee hours what do you choose to do? Sit peacefully or wee on the neighbours hedge and nick their paper/milk, afterwards " goodmorning nice neighbour"
Ahhhh the suburbs are turning me this way.
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#28672 - 14 Mar 06 18:20 Re: Dutch over reaction
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ena:
That should be the immigration test! In the dark wee hours what do you choose to do? Sit peacefully or wee on the neighbours hedge and nick their paper/milk, afterwards " goodmorning nice neighbour"
Ahhhh the suburbs are turning me this way.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Absolutely smile smile smile

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