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#28523 - 03 Feb 06 11:10 the Cartoons
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Europeans back Danes over press freedom
Email Print Normal font Large font By Molly Moore in Paris
February 3, 2006


Religious uproar an Egyptian supermarket is stripped of Danish products.
Photo: AFP

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AdvertisementNEWSPAPERS across Europe have reprinted cartoons ridiculing the prophet Muhammad, saying they wanted to support the right of Danish and Norwegian papers to publish caricatures that have ignited anger among Muslims.

One French editor is reported to have been sacked by the newspaper's Egyptian owner. The Danish embassy in Damascus was evacuated on Wednesday after a bomb threat that turned out to be a hoax, and Syria recalled its ambassador from Denmark in protest at the cartoons, one of which shows the prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb.

Two large Danish companies reported their sales falling in the Middle East after protests against the cartoons in the Arab world and calls for boycotts.

The Danish-Swedish dairy product maker Arla Foods, with annual Middle East sales of about $A660 million, said it might have to cut 140 jobs because of the boycott. "We are losing around 10 million Danish crowns ($2.39 million) per day at the moment," a spokeswoman said.

The world's biggest maker of insulin, Denmark's Novo Nordisk, said pharmacies and hospitals in Saudi Arabia had been avoiding its products.

The French-based grocery chain Carrefour has pulled Danish products from its shelves in Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar in response to a boycott the company said was costing it $3.2 million a day. The German daily Die Welt published one of the drawings on its front page on Wednesday and said the "right to blasphemy" was one of the freedoms of democracy.

France Soir said it had published the "incriminating caricatures" because "no religious dogma can impose itself on a democratic and secular society".

The newspaper's front-page headline declared: "Yes, we have the right to caricature God", accompanied by a cartoon depicting religious figures from the Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and Christian faiths on a cloud. The Christian is shown saying, "Don't complain, Muhammad; we've all been caricatured here."

France Soir's owner, Raymond Lakah, an Egyptian, is reported to have since sacked the editor, Jacques Lefranc, to show "respect for the intimate beliefs of an individual" - apparently a reference to religious beliefs. Yesterday on France Soir's website a link to its front page had a note saying the page was "unavailable at present".

Italy's La Stampa and El Periodico and ABC in Spain also published some of the drawings on Wednesday.

Islam considers any artistic renditions of the prophet Muhammad blasphemous. In many Muslim nations English-language newspapers are so reverential that any mention of his name is followed by "PBUH", standing for for peace be upon him.

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, Dalil Boubakeur, said France Soir's decision to publish the cartoons was an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the caricatures last September, apologised this week for offending Muslims, but defended its right to publish the cartoons.

The controversy began when the newspaper asked 12 of its artists to draw caricatures of Muhammad in response to an author who complained that he could not find an artist willing, under his own name, to illustrate a book about the prophet.

Three weeks ago a small evangelical newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, republished the cartoons.

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#28524 - 03 Feb 06 11:17 Re: the Cartoons
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Now I have those cartoons in soft copy. The only thing that stops me posting them here is that i would not want to offend my muslim friends on this site.

however, i are VERY concerned that many of the worlds leading newsapapers simply dare not print them. The cartoonists are now in hiding. The editors have police protection 24 x 7.

In Palestine they head office of the EU has been warned to leave by Fatah gunmen. (ironically, at the ame time the Palestinians are holding out a begging bowl to ther EU, saying please give us aid.......)

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#28525 - 03 Feb 06 11:18 Re: the Cartoons
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Anger spreads in Islamic world over cartoon
Updated Thu. Feb. 2 2006 10:57 PM ET

CTV.ca News

A cartoon that first appeared in a Danish newspaper has outraged Muslims and sparked widespread demonstrations and violence, with some of the worst occurring in the Gaza Strip Thursday.

The caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad first ran in a Danish newspaper in September, and were republished in papers in France, Norway and Germany this week, causing tension that quickly spread around the Muslim world.

One of the cartoons depicts the Prophet wearing a bomb-shaped turban with a burning fuse. In another, a Soviet star and crescent moon are superimposed over his face.

Islam strictly forbids any depiction of the revered father of the religion, and many Muslims have reacted with violent outrage at the irreverent cartoon.

In the Gaza Strip, armed Palestinian gunmen surrounded European Union offices Thursday, demanding an apology after the comics were published.

Western journalists, diplomats and aid workers began filing out of Gaza under threats they could be kidnapped if the offending countries don't say sorry soon.

The militants also threatened to shut down media offices from the countries in question, particularly Agence France Presse.

"Any citizens of these countries, who are present in Gaza, will put themselves in danger," a Fatah-affiliated gunman said as he stood outside the EU Commission's office flanked by two masked men holding rifles.

If the European governments don't apologize by Thursday evening, "any visitor of these countries will be targeted," he said.

In the city of Nablus in the West Bank, gunmen entered at least four hotels attempting to kidnap foreigners. They said owners should not allow citizens from Europe to stay there.

There were also reports that private apartments were being searched for Europeans.

In the town of Ram, just outside Jerusalem, Norway closed its diplomatic office after receiving threats related to the cartoons.

"There were threats from two Palestinian groups, the Popular Resistance Committees and the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, against Danish, French and Norwegian diplomats," Norwegian Foreign Ministry spokesman Rune Bjaastad said.

The ministry was still debating whether to evacuate its 24 staff members and their families.

Jan Pirouz Poulsen, the deputy chief of Danish offices in the Palestinian territories, said the 26 Danes currently there have been urged to leave "until the situation improves."

Raif Holmboe, the head of Denmark's office in the West Bank town of Ramallah, said the office would be closed again on Friday. He was unsure when it would reopen. He said shots had been fired at the office earlier in the week, but it had been empty at the time and no one was injured.

Residents in many areas of the Middle East have boycotted Danish goods, and protests and bomb threats have plagued Danish-run facilities.

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#28526 - 03 Feb 06 13:20 Re: the Cartoons
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PB I havent seen the cartoons, would you please email it to me? please??
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#28527 - 03 Feb 06 13:22 Re: the Cartoons
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CNN said they fired the Managing Editor of France News! not fair! but the owner is an egyptian anyway..not surprise!
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#28528 - 03 Feb 06 13:24 Re: the Cartoons
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OK Jakgirl, i will email them to you.

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#28529 - 03 Feb 06 13:24 Re: the Cartoons
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Thanks baby *smooch*
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#28530 - 03 Feb 06 14:19 Re: the Cartoons
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PB, watching a cartoon contraversy on FOX News, Hunnity & Colmes arguing about the cartoon on news paper here, Daryl Cagle a political cartoonist made fun of Donald Rumsfield and a wounded soldier with no arms, no legs! thats sick! very sick freedom of speech!
what do you think about it PB, as yourself a soldier? are you OK if idiot Daryl Cagle makes fun of you?
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#28531 - 03 Feb 06 14:34 Re: the Cartoons
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Jakgirl, read a poem by Rudyard Kipling called Tommy. it shows how the public hate the Army outside of war.....

(I will explian why British soldiers are called Tommy)

TOMMY

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

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#28532 - 03 Feb 06 15:08 Re: the Cartoons
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No wonder James Blunt quit! and wrote a beautiful song for me "You're beautiful"
LOVED it and play it over and over again in the car..
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#28533 - 03 Feb 06 15:17 Re: the Cartoons
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have you seen the big bun fight with Indonesina musloids outside the Danish Embassy in Jakarta? splashed all over CNN. flag burnings, slogans, allahu akbars, funny arab hats. the usual.
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#28534 - 03 Feb 06 15:52 Re: the Cartoons
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;AP;
ANPA ..u..
Indonesia-Prophet Drawing
Muslim protesters storm Danish Embassy in Indonesia over Muhammad

Muslim protesters storm Danish Embassy in Indonesia over Muhammad
cartoons[
Eds: UPDATES with details from inside lobby of building; upgrades
estimate of number of protesters; statement from paper[
AP Photos JAK101-102[
By IRWAN FIRDAUS=
Associated Press Writer=
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - More than 150 hardline Muslims stormed
into a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy on Friday to
protest the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, then
tore down and burned the country's white and red flag.
The rowdy protest was one of the first in Indonesia, the world's
most populous Muslim nation, against the 12 cartoons that first
appeared in a Danish newspaper in September. They were reprinted in
several other European newspapers this week in a gesture of press
freedom.
"We are not terrorists, we are not anarchists, but we are
against those people who blaspheme Islam," one of the protesters
shouted outside the building, which also houses several other
foreign missions.
The demonstrators, who wore white Arabic-style robes, pelted the
building with eggs before pushing their way past security guards
into the building's plush lobby.
Shouting "God is Great," they tried to push into elevators to
reach the mission on the building's 25th floor, but were told to
stop by protest leaders. Some furniture was damaged in the melee, an
Associated Press photographer said.
Before the protesters left the building in the heart of the
city's business district, they tore the embassy's flag down and set
it on fire on the pavement.
The demonstrators also stopped outside an Indonesian newspaper
which briefly ran one of the cartoons on its Web site Thursday to
illustrate its story on the uproar generated by them elsewhere in
the Muslim world.
Editors of Rakyat Merdeka met some of the protesters. In a
posting on the site later Friday, the paper said it told them that
the picture was meant to give context to the story - something it
said the demonstrators understood. It also published an apology to
anyone who was offended by the picture.
Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet, favorable or
otherwise, to prevent idolatry. The drawings have prompted boycotts
of Danish goods, bomb threats and demonstrations against Danish
facilities in Muslim nations.
Indonesia's government reiterated earlier criticism of the
paper's decision to publish.
"This is about insensitivity and a trend toward Islamaphobia,"
said foreign ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin.
"As a democratic country we are very aware of press freedom, but
we also believe it should not be used to slander or defame sacred
religious symbols."
Indonesia has 220 million people, most of them moderate Muslims.
Friday's protest created little fanfare in a country where much
larger demonstrations occur on a daily basis. Nearby office workers
and residents mostly ignored the protest or stopped only briefly.
The protesters in Jakarta were members of the Islamic Defenders
Front, which campaigns for Islamic law and often takes to the street
against perceived violators of Islamic rules at home or abroad.
Three protesters said they were received by the Danish
ambassador, and claimed he told them he planned to apologize to
Indonesian Muslims for causing offense.
"If he doesn't, then we will demand the government kick him
out," said protest organizer Ali Reza.

GetAP 1.00 -- FEB 3, 2006 14:12:51
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#28535 - 03 Feb 06 16:09 Re: the Cartoons
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When will these idiots learn that what the Danes do in thier country is FUCK ALL to do with 150 members of the Islamoc Defenders Front in Jakarta.

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#28536 - 03 Feb 06 16:28 Re: the Cartoons
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I have seen the report in CNN..I guess it has also been broadcasted in Metro TV.. Well, I think its a normal action, especially in Jakarta as the capital of Indonesia.. being considered as the country largest moslem population, no wonder that has its pros and cons in dealing with issues that often "memojokan" islam

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#28537 - 03 Feb 06 16:35 Re: the Cartoons
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Posts: 765
Loc: Sydney
My friend is a very devout muslim MODERN egyptian girl, and she says that the mistake is that these people are not understanding that in Denmark there exists free speech-so people can slander or not - any religion.The government has to accept it there- She says we cant demand a country not work as per its own laws-it is just not possible.She says that tolerance has to work both ways-and she is not offended by the cartoons because they are not truth to her-they are just a bunch of cartoons that have nothing to do with how she will get up in the mornings, pray, live her life.Shes not gonna storm ANY embassy over some cartoons!!!
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#28538 - 03 Feb 06 19:01 Re: the Cartoons
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I think the Danes created the cartoons deliberately to prove to the Muslims that they can do anything. as such its a chaep shot. If there were real vlaue out of thme - if they were rare works of art, I would be more upset. but they are just stupid cartoons - and not good ones!

BUT - by protesting so much, the Muslims have fallen inot the trap. The West now says "look at the Muslims telling us we cannot show out cartoons. By protesting they have made stupid cartoons famous.

I feel sorry for devout Muslims who have been offended, but they need to understand that the best thing would have been to say - "what stupid cartoons".

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#28539 - 03 Feb 06 19:02 Re: the Cartoons
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Registered: 09 Oct 05
Posts: 10790
Loc: Centre of the Universe
apparently, i'm told the offending cartoons are available at this address:

http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=381&Itemid=74

but goodness knows, i haven't clicked on it myself.
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#28540 - 03 Feb 06 22:36 Re: the Cartoons
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Thanks Kuku, damn..Mohammad looked so ugly with that big nose! btw PB I couldn't see the drawing, its so small! thanks anyway *smooch*
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#28541 - 04 Feb 06 07:48 Re: the Cartoons
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Posts: 10790
Loc: Centre of the Universe
Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
When will these idiots learn that what the Danes do in thier country is FUCK ALL to do with 150 members of the Islamoc Defenders Front in Jakarta.
someone at JP says they would give $100 to any FPI member who could point to Denmark on a map.

i'd put money on it that he would not have to pay a cent to any of those morons.
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#28542 - 04 Feb 06 09:07 Re: the Cartoons
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Registered: 10 Nov 05
Posts: 59
Loc: Jakarta
Apparently the Cartoon controversy sparks outrage the moslem community in England. Moslem community held a protest in front of Danish embassy in England. People are demanded apologize from the Danish Government.. Egypt had also boicot Danish product. The supermarket there decided not to buy danish product, instead they tend to buy the local product or product from other middle east countries which had the same quality..

Last nigt on BBC in "Hardtalk" edition, The editor-in-chief from the media who published the cartoon said that depicted of prophet Mohammad was not intended to insult moslem community and the thing to make fun of it was unthinkable and it was not meant to ridicule Islam.. In that show there also an Islamic leader in Denmark named Imam Ahmed Abu Lamban.. He said that it probably trigered by the Dutch director that was killed by the moslem..

Ambassador of Danish in Indonesia had already release its apologize because of the cartoon controversi to the people in Indonesia, especially FPI (forum pembela Islam) who really spoke ther mind loudly about this cartoon controversi.

well, I don't know "what happen to my world"/ and at the same time The Egyptian ferry sinks misteriuosly in red sea.. so far there's 100 bodies floating on red sea..

Wow what's gonna happen next ?

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#28543 - 04 Feb 06 09:46 Re: the Cartoons
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...He said that it probably trigered by the Dutch director that was killed by the moslem..

Director of what?
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#28544 - 04 Feb 06 10:05 Re: the Cartoons
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Well, about a year ago The Dutch film-maker who often made the documentary film about people, culture and religion found dead.. and the people whose responsible of the death comes from moslem, who was offended by his works..

I'm not quite sure about what is his latest work ? I will try to find it.. But if any of you know about this, please give us the info.. Thanks wink

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#28545 - 04 Feb 06 10:10 Re: the Cartoons
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Registered: 08 Dec 05
Posts: 3870
Loc: disana-disini
btw the sinking ferry coused by fire, not misterious!
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#28546 - 04 Feb 06 10:14 Re: the Cartoons
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Killed director van Gogh honoured

Theo van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death in Amsterdam
The first anniversary of the murder of Dutch director Theo van Gogh has been marked by politicians, relatives and religious leaders in the Netherlands.
The late director, 47, a strong critic of radical Islam, was shot and stabbed while cycling through Amsterdam.

In July 27-year-old radical Islamist Mohammed Bouyeri was sentenced to life in prison for van Gogh's murder.

Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende addressed an audience of hundreds on the pavement where van Gogh was killed.

Tolerant image

"The murder impinges on everything that is dear to us in the Netherlands," Mr Balkenende said. "Violence is not the way."

Cactuses and a toy tiger were placed near the speaker's podium, a tribute to the director's courageous artistic nature, while some mourners carried flowers.

The murder of van Gogh, a distant relative of 19th Century painter Vincent van Gogh, shook the Netherlands, which has an image as a tolerant, peaceful country.


Mohammed Bouyeri was arrested shortly after killing van Gogh
It also set off a chain of attacks on Muslim buildings, followed by retaliatory attacks on Christian churches.

Bouyeri said he murdered the director out of religious conviction and that he would kill again in the name of Islam if given a chance.

After killing van Gogh, Bouyeri pinned a five-page manifesto to the director's chest with the knife he had used to stab him. In it he threatened a number of politicians and a lawyer.

Muslim stories

Van Gogh's documentary, Submission, was broadcast three months before his death. It told the fictional stories of four Muslim women who suffered physical and sexual abuse.

Verses from the Koran were superimposed on the bodies of near-naked women, in scenes many Muslims found deeply offensive.

The Netherlands is home to nearly one million Muslims or 5.5% of the population.

Hirsi Ali, who wrote the script for Submission, spent months in hiding after van Gogh's murder.

"I think it is going to be a long time before I understand what happened and come to terms with it," she said.


Taken from site BBC News

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#28547 - 04 Feb 06 10:35 Re: the Cartoons
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I rather ask Richie Gir smile he knows better, coz he is a dutch dude!
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