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#27849 - 03 Sep 06 01:26 rosofstore Inc.com
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Is the company(supplier)Rosofstore Inc.com a legitimate source to purchase electronics?? They want $$ wired to a name in Indonesia and proof scanned in and emailed before goods are shipped. They take no credit cards unless you are resident in the country. I have found no bad press on them and searched for feedback. The only customer feedback is on their website under "testimonials". Do you know of them or has anyone you know of used them and what is the result?

Are they new to selling internationally and I am overconcerned?

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#27850 - 03 Sep 06 10:16 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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bill, the very fact that you need to ask such questions should indicate something.

there was a previous thread by someone asking similar questions a few days ago in this forum.

give me the company's web address, and i'll be able to tell you whether they are frauds.
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#27851 - 03 Sep 06 10:58 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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the company website is : rosofstore.com

Please let me know.

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#27852 - 03 Sep 06 11:48 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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> Rosofstore Inc

Indonesian companies NEVER have "Inc" in their names.

> JL. Laksda Adisucipto No 110
> Caturtunggal
> Depok, Sleman
> Yogyakarta
> INDONESIA

Address is nearly plausible (I spent many years in Yogyakarta; I know this area.) However, I have never seen such a company on this street. And what the hell is an electronics company doing in the middle of Java anyway? Yogya is a university town and cultural centre, not a place for trading.

> phone : +62 2168662526

phone number is in Jakarta! about 12 hours away by road! must be hell every time the phone rings, to run all the way from Yogya!

however, when called, this phone number rings out automatically after 3 rings. obviously, someone does not want to talk.

> mobile : +62 81383050007 ( 24 hours )

just called this number. when i asked (in perfect indonesian!) if this was the electronics store on the internet, he just kept saying "halo, halo, halo" as if he could not hear me.

the verdict? it's a fraud.
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#27853 - 03 Sep 06 16:15 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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I just went through the registration process and ordered $1900 worth of IPODs and stuff. The only payment option is "wire transfer", in which they send you an email. I got the invoice via email very quickly, but it did not have a bank account #. Or any other way to pay. No credit cards even mentioned.

Maybe the delivery boys are going to show up on the doorstep of the street address I gave and demand money. hmmm..

If this is even remotely true, I'd be surprised, the cost for the IPOD 60mb video is nearly $200 cheaper than the other prices (for used ones) being quoted on reputable sites like Apple.com and Amazon.com.

maybe it's a scam to get personal addresses and phone details.
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#27854 - 03 Sep 06 16:19 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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no, there's real money involved. there's hardly a month goes by when i don't get some poor chump calling me with a story about "this electronics shop in medan/bandung/yogyakarta", and how they're sent all this money and haven't got any goods and no-one's answering the phone etc etc etc ...

they will always use bank transfer, invariably to a personal account.
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#27855 - 03 Sep 06 16:49 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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So then what's their M.O., if they have not sent me any kind of bank account number or told how to find it out????
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#27856 - 03 Sep 06 16:50 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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odd. maybe they're getting to it ... or maybe i spooked them when i called them. or maybe they are going to send a follow-up ... will be interesting to watch.
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#27857 - 03 Sep 06 21:09 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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OK here's their response to my third EMAIL asking them for their Bank Info:

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Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:18:45 +0700 (WIT)
Subject: Re: Rosofstore Inc: Order #538.
From: sales@rosofstore.com
TO: xxxxcrib03@yahoo.com>

Dear Mrs. Golda Meir

Thank you very much for your order at our online store. Here is the
details for Wire Bank Transfer :

BENEFICIARY BANK : B C A
BENEFICIARY NAME : ROBERT SOFIAN
ACCOUNT NUMBER : 037 252 1072
BANK BRANCH : KCU YOGYAKARTA
SWIFT CODE : CENAIDJA

please confirm us the Scanning of transfer receipt when payment has
been
done. your order will be shipped as soon as your payment confirmed.

You can send payment information to this email address
sales@rosofstore.com or payment@rosofstore.com

Best Wishes
Rosofstore Inc
Robert Sofian
phone : +62 2168662526
mobile : +62 81383050007 ( 24 hours )
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#27858 - 04 Sep 06 01:52 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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this is the information I received for the order I placed:

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BENEFICIARY BANK : B N I
BENEFICIARY NAME : ROBERT SOFIAN
ACCOUNT NUMBER : 0105512987
BANK BRANCH : UGM YOGYA
SWIFT CODE : BNINIDJA

please confirm us the Scanning of transfer receipt when payment has been
done. your order will be shipped as soon as your payment confirmed.

You can send payment information to this email address
sales@rosofstore.com or payment@rosofstore.com

Best Wishes
Rosofstore Inc
Robert Sofian
phone : +62 2168662526
mobile : +62 81383050007 ( 24 hours )

--------------------------------------------------

I then requested to pay through a credit card or verifiable third party esgrow service for the direct $$ wire and the reply was:


Thanks for your fast respone, we accept Dirrect Wire Transfer, not
through Escrow please. they service didnt work in my Country.

Best Wishes
Rosofstore Inc
Robert Sofian
phone : +62 2168662526
mobile : +62 81383050007 ( 24 hours )

----------------------------------------------
Would this guy know of third party esgrow service?


Finally on scams.com I found someone who ordered and was happy...those who are more familiar with this ??

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#27859 - 04 Sep 06 09:03 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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the fact is, this guy does NOT want to talk to any one, in any language.

"rosofstore.com" was only registered less than 2 months ago. here's the whois info:

Quote:

ROBERT SOFIAN (ROSOFSTORE-COM-DOM)
JL. LAKSDA ADISUCIPTO NO 110
Yogyakarta, ID 23401
ID
+62 2184657943
fayboy@gmail.com

Domain Name: ROSOFSTORE.COM

Administrative Contact:
SOFIAN ROBERT fayboy@gmail.com
JL. LAKSDA ADISUCIPTO NO 110
Yogyakarta, ID 23401
ID
+62 2184657943

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
ROBERT SOFIAN fayboy@gmail.com
JL. LAKSDA ADISUCIPTO NO 110
Yogyakarta, ID 23401
ID
+62 2184657943

Record last updated on 02-Aug-2006.
Record expires on 18-Jul-2007.
Record created on 18-Jul-2006.

Domain servers in listed order:

Name Server: jupiter.sat-c.net
Name Server: uranus.sat-c.net
note also that the yogyakarta postcode "23401" does not exist; yogyakarta postcodes start with "55". this guy is clearly just using Yogya as a pickup point for money.
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#27860 - 04 Sep 06 09:04 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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Robert Sofian, kinda chinese name...
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#27861 - 04 Sep 06 09:07 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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he's got a very european photo on his webpage. but his accent is very much half-educated indonesian. i would say the photo is just something he picked up from the net.
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#27862 - 04 Sep 06 09:12 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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joking guys! smile
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#27863 - 04 Sep 06 09:20 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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scams.com also look like a bit of a scam ... it's just a squatted domain with "content" pulled from search engines.
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#27864 - 04 Sep 06 09:32 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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Yes, scams.com is for sure BS. A quick yahoo! search for "rosofstore" gets lots of links to techie forums discussing this scam.... What is amazing is the fact that everyone in those forums, mostly from Europe and N. America, has an extremely high level of negativity/cynicism as soon as they see anything connected to "Indonesia" and that's before they've even looked into whether the site is legit or not. Like 'ho hum another scam/negative thing from Indo..'

So the next time some bozo govt guy says "this xxxx might tarnish the good reputation of RI among foreigners..." ... Well mate, I can't see it being any worse than it is already.

What would happen if this Sofian were reported to the police here??
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#27865 - 04 Sep 06 09:54 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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Loc: disana-disini
forget it! indo police are crooks! sofian thingy feeds them Rp, they'll let him go!
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#27866 - 04 Sep 06 10:43 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
bill Offline
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Loc: us
Thanks your insight is great and your help so appreciated!

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#27867 - 04 Sep 06 20:25 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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Posts: 1200
Loc: Di Puncak
And the testimonials must've been copied from somewhere

July 9th 2006
Gongga

Thanks Gang ! I appreciate your contact. I love the new shredder I purchased through you guys.


SHREDDER????

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#27868 - 04 Sep 06 20:29 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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"love" a shredder?? loving a computer i can understand. loving your HP i can deal with. but a paper shredder?? good grief.
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#27869 - 04 Sep 06 21:41 Re: rosofstore Inc.com
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Making love to shredder:

1. connect power cord.
2. Switch on shredder.
3. Buy Shredder drink.
4. Tell shredder it is beautiful.
5. Tell shredder you love it.
6. Promise to respect shredder in the morning.
7. Insert sausage into shredder.
8> SCREAM in pain!!!!

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