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#2473 - 09 Mar 06 12:54 Beneath your clothes
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Just read in Jkt Post today :
I figure that the pornography bill is being pushed by people who are not really interested in political power or in imposing their values on others (even those who are not of the same faith or nationality), but because they are jealous. They are probably physically unattractive people who are jealous of people who can expose their belly buttons and look sexy rather than disgusting, of those who can wiggle their hips without looking like a hippo in heat, or who can flash their thighs without looking like dimpled semi-hard jello on the verge of disintegrating.


Maybe that's why... smile
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#2474 - 09 Mar 06 13:14 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Ruby, why didn't you just copy and paste the whole story here, including the writer..
Maybe like this, so people can read them all smile

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20060309.B01&irec=2
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#2475 - 09 Mar 06 13:25 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Oh ok, thanks WD smile
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#2476 - 09 Mar 06 13:26 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I thought they were arguing over the Wireless Internet PDA Telkom Bill that most of the legislators use to access internet Porn....My Pornography Bill went through the roof this month...
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#2477 - 09 Mar 06 13:27 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Viva Bali Women! rock on..!

From baliblog.
Jakartass
Thursday, March 02, 2006
Bloggers Against the Pornography Law

The proposed legislation against the display of navels, public kissing, artistic nudes, sexual innuendo in movies and other lewd activities, which I'll leave to your imagination, is uniting the Indonesian blogosphere like no other issue before, although puritanism, an excessive strictness of morals and religious fervour, has been on the rise ever since krismon.

A new blog, Jiwa Merdaka (Free Soul), has been set up by a group of Balinese activists to oppose the anti-pornography legislation. The blog is written in both English and Indonesian and contains many reasons for Balinese opposition which are related to specific aspects of their living culture.

Those of us who have other spiritual and cultural values will recognise and support their cause because it is also ours.

1. The bill has failed to reflect and represent Indonesia as an open, tolerant society with a deep, profound respect (for) the unique social, cultural and religious values adhered by its different ethnic groups.

The bill's lack of understanding over the country's rich multicultural heritage is clearly visible in its narrow, superficial and derogatory definition (of pornography) and attitude toward the sensuality and sexuality of (the) human body and of human's aesthetic expresion.

2. The bill has failed to display an appropriate respect and sensitivity toward the female members of our society.

Jakartass is in total support of all who oppose this bill. There is no need for it.

3. The state has already had several laws, which provide a sufficient legal response to sexual-related and pornography-related crimes. Those laws are the Criminal Code, Law on Press, Law on Broadcasting, Law on National Motion Picture, Law on Children Protection and Law on Domestic Violence.

The members of the House of Representatives should pay more attention to real, pressing problems of poverty, economic uncertainty and education stagnation instead of drafting an absurd law that will adversely affect the integrity of our nation.
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#2478 - 09 Mar 06 13:28 Re: Beneath your clothes
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The senators & parlimentarians may have forgotten who our Ibu Kartini was and what her achievements and values were.

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#2479 - 09 Mar 06 16:12 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I hope that the bill will be cancelled.
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#2480 - 09 Mar 06 16:29 Re: Beneath your clothes
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mee too, I get bored with the all regulations that were made by the government...
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#2481 - 09 Mar 06 16:49 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
mee too, I get bored with the all regulations that were made by the government...
Yes me too, but maybe there is any good news girls, when I was wacthed news this morning, lots of women groups, or like Lembaga Sosial Khusu Perempuan had demonstration to anniversary the Women's Day even womens from Aceh itself againts to the Shria-Law and for anti-pornography rules.
Ruby I hope you're right baby for the bill. wink
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#2482 - 09 Mar 06 19:38 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Ladies, This was from the Jakatra Post about a month ago
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Women activists yell no to antiporn bill
Activists from several NGOs dealing with women's issues on Saturday came out against the much-debated pornography bill, which they claimed would repress women.
The bill, which was drafted in part to protect women from exploitation, would have the opposite effect of placing limits on women's expression and freedoms, the activists said.
"We have always acknowledged pornography as a disease that must be eradicated, but not through a repressive law," said Vivi Widyawati of the Mahardhika Women's Working Group.
The activists say a bill that limits and criminalizes women's sexuality would never bear fruit.
The draft, if passed, would lead to the establishment of the National Anti-Pornography Agency, which would have the authority to fine or arrest anyone it considered to be acting "indecently" or violating the country's "moral code".
"The law criminalizes the victims, the ones exploited by pornography, and not the ones who exploit them," said Vivi.
The NGOs fear the national agency, which the NGOs refer to as the "morality police", could be abused by the authorities to meddle in the private lives of citizens in the name of morality.
"The government should make use of the laws we already have on the books (to stop pornography)," said Vivi.
She said the laws on child protection, human trafficking and the protection of witnesses, as well as the Criminal Code, already gave authorities the power they need to fight pornography.
Instead of passing this new draft, the NGOs urged the government to focus its efforts on introducing sex education programs in schools to teach children about sexuality, and limiting the distribution and access to pornography, both in the media and on the streets.
"Early sex education is urgently needed to help people understand sexuality," said Mariana Amiruddin of Women's Journal Foundation.
The NGOs also believe the draft's definition of pornography is biased and out of line with already existing definitions. The groups themselves define pornography as the "business of sexually exploiting women for commercial purposes".
A dictionary definition of pornography would be "the depiction of erotic behavior to cause sexual excitement".
The activists want the government's definition of pornography to contain several specific points, including that women are the main objects, or victims, of pornography, and that women are the victims of sexual abuse caused by pornography.
"There is no fair or effective way to categorize one's values or morality," said Vivi in discussing the moral values used by legislators as their guideline in drafting the pornography bill.
She said women who were drawn into pornography never became involved willingly, but were victims of exploitation.
"The problem of victims being pulled into pornography has always been due to multidimensional and multi-interpretational problems," said Vivi, adding that one of the factors included poverty.
The NGOs that united to denounce the pornography bill included Arus Pelangi, Institut Ungu, LBH Apik, Pokja Perempuan Mahardhika, Sekar, Srikandi Demokrasi Indonesia, the National Secretariat of Women's Coalitions and the Women's Journal Foundation, in addition to individuals also concerned by the issue.
"Societies that base themselves on patriarchal thoughts have always considered the woman's body as taboo," said Mariana from the Women's Journal Foundation.
"We, women, have always been blamed for man's inability to restrain his sexual desires," she said.

Count me in, I have major problems restraing my sexual desires!
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#2483 - 09 Mar 06 20:25 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I have a theory. The push for the bill was supposedly being influenced by external forces and/or minority groups who have been 'sponsored' by goverment(s) or interest groups from countries like Saudi. I think that has some merits. They have a special interest in making sure that muslims stay on the straight and narrow (maybe even extreme conservatism, strictly following their brand of Islam). This, I think, to ensure of their economic survivability. We know that oil is a finite resource which will be used up dry in 50 years. Seeing how the world use and plunder oil, it will probably be even sooner. Dilli will probably rebuke that assumption. Now Saudi may have limited reserve of oil, probably less than they are willing to admit. Thay have no other big money spinning asset. However they do have one thing, that is Mecca and its Ka'ba. As I understand, all muslims are encourage to go to Mecca once in their life time. Millions of people have been know to visit the holy city more than once in their life time, sometimes once every year. Now this is a sicnificant monetary benefit to the Saudi government (read: the royal family). By influencing countries like Indonesia with the majority of its populations are muslim, the Saudi can bank on the potential that can generate. The Saudi has been seeding it from the grassroot level by putting up fund for cheap educations in the form of pesantrens up to university level. Their investment will be rewarded when those students graduated and become income generating individuals. There are some reports indicating that the Saudi has been trying to buy a pay TV channel in the US in order to broadcast Islamic teaching, much like the Christian Evangelical channels. This however has been blocked by various groups.

Now I think they've done it the wrong way around. I reckon, without imposing the brand of Islam on to a society, the end result can still be achieved in far greater benefits. Imagine the society, take Indonesia for example, is left alone to their own devices and let it flourished by its own accord, the potential will be much greater. The middle class is the economic driver in any society. They have a tendency to flourish in a moderate environment due to their creativity and improvisation. When they rise, they will have more disposable income than they can think of. Thus they tend to search for more spiritual fullfilment, hence more opportunity to achieve their religious calling by going to Mecca more time than their neigbours.

Again, this is just my own little opinion.

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#2484 - 10 Mar 06 05:36 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I would put $100 on the push for this law coming from Middle Eastern fundamental Islamists.

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#2485 - 10 Mar 06 07:42 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Save the money. there is nowhere else this funding comes from, and, as for Goofs comment on Oil running out in 50 years, at the current rate of extraction (not including gas) Saudi can fund this shit for another 250 years (best estimate based on current and unproven reserves) while the UAE can produce for about 300 years.

Gas, will continue for about the same lenfgth of time, Iran and Qatar being the biggest producers from the North Dome filed.

No shortage of funding for fundamerntalism for a while.
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#2486 - 10 Mar 06 09:33 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I remember in 1973 they told everyone that there was only 20 years worth of oil left in the world.

by 1993 they found they had twice as much left as they had discovered in 1973.

The Yallourne coal fields in Victoria produce shitty brown coal called Lignite. It has a very low calorific content. This one coal field has enough lignite to supply the worlds electricity neeeds for over 500 years.....

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#2487 - 10 Mar 06 09:38 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Dilli, so the story of oil reserve drying up in 50 years is just a myth (old wife tale so to speak) then?

Still though, the world should wake up and not plunder the reserve while still can. You need that energy to find a new energy source or build facilities to harvest new energy source.

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#2488 - 10 Mar 06 13:24 Re: Beneath your clothes
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What about those oil sands they have in alberta canada, they found a way to extract it now using hot water or something. Theres like heaps there!
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#2489 - 10 Mar 06 13:49 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Do you mean Biodiesel?
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#2490 - 10 Mar 06 13:57 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Dont know- I heard about these oils that are in sand-like bubbling on the surface, and now they found a way to extract it cost effectively?
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#2491 - 10 Mar 06 14:06 Re: Beneath your clothes
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They are the Athabasca Tar sands, The oil is trapped within the sand and is extracted through a costly process. However, given the current price of oil it is worth it.
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#2492 - 10 Mar 06 14:36 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Dilli, I heard the reserve in Indo is not much anymore. Is that true? Is that why Indo is a net importer of oil now? Or is it just there is now new investment coming through?

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#2493 - 10 Mar 06 15:01 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Indonesian reserves are good, however, the problem lies in a number of areas.

1)
Many of the fields are old and require what is termed Secondary recovery,which is where the oil has to be pumped out of the ground, gas or water is injected to raise the reservoir pressure to stimulate flow or steam is injected to make the oil less viscous, this is going on but more could be done.

2)
Many of the fields are completed with substandard equipment which will break down more often. This means production is halted while repairs are made. This is very expensive both in terms of cost and lost oil revenue.

3)
After you have the oil, you have to refine it. Indonesia does not currently have refineries with the capacity to provide for all of the countires needs. While it is stated that Indonesia has become a net oil importer, it is actually refined product that is mostly imported to cover the domestic shortfall.

4)
Gas is the future. Indonesia has lots.
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#2494 - 10 Mar 06 16:52 Re: Beneath your clothes
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What about Biodiesel Dili? I think its more cheap and good for healty beside we can reduce polution with it? Please tell me, thanks.
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#2495 - 10 Mar 06 16:58 Re: Beneath your clothes
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I don't think an oil man can be convinced of such thing like biodiesel or ethanol.

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#2496 - 11 Mar 06 08:52 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Biodiesel is essentially using domestic waste and animal waste to create fuel. Vegetable matter when decomposing allows quantities of methane to be released as a gas, this can be collected and used as fuel.

The current trend is to use Palm Oil and as a result, vast tracys of land are being deforested to make way for the plantations in Sumatra and Kalimantan. There is an ecological disaster waiting to happen there.

Used Oils from cooking etc can also be processed to create fuels.

Vegetable matter can be processed in a similar way to fermentation to create ethanol (which is the active ingredient in alcoholic drinks) also a fuel.

For me however, I like the drilling part of things, been doing it for 29 years now, why stop!
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#2497 - 11 Mar 06 09:00 Re: Beneath your clothes
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dilligaf:
For me however, I like the drilling part of things, Oil is not Oil without an Oil Rig, I have been doing it for 29 years now, why stop!
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