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#23577 - 05 Jul 06 10:28 Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
Rodney Offline
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Hi there,

I'm a black American moving to Jakarta to pursue cultural and reportage photography. It seems when Indonesians think of westerners they think of "bules" (whites). I was curious how blacks are accepted in Jakarta in general.

My first thought was Indonesians would think I am African, but having seen some Nigerians, they look somewhat 'different' from typical black guys in the USA.

I am just curious if ladies in general (not just for rupiahs or blok m hahahaha) typically like black guys. I know the general opinion of blacks in Asia, but it does vary from country to country. smile

Thx!

Rodney

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#23578 - 05 Jul 06 10:50 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Can you tell the difference between a Korean girl and a Chinese girl? Because if you can, you will be 1 up on the indonesians...they will not have a clue where you are from. They will probably actually guess you are an American, due to the fact that there education is likley to be based around what they see on T.V.
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#23579 - 05 Jul 06 10:53 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Hi rodney.

I think you're going to have a hard time here because of your race. unfortunately, africans have got a (partly deserved) reputation here as being involved in drug trafficking. the prejudice is palpable. where i live in jalan jaksa many africans come to eat and drink. they keep to their own groups, and rarely mix due to a variety of reasons: language, culture, local prejudice. girls here very much tend to avoid them.

having said that, i am certain that once girls (and guys) realised you were not an african, you may find yourself extremely popular! smile but be prepared for a lot of cold shoulders in between ...
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#23580 - 05 Jul 06 11:55 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Don't worry Rodney...I like Black guy and welcome to Jakarta

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#23581 - 05 Jul 06 12:21 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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African American? No problemo for me, been hanged out with Japanese girl friends with their Afro American dudes! Welcome!
I Checked out your photography site, nice works Rod!
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#23582 - 05 Jul 06 13:22 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Welcome Rodney smile
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#23583 - 05 Jul 06 14:54 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Hi Rodney! I like your pics... They're quite inspiring. As for acceptance, the only reason people can't accept you is because they can't accept themselves. Happy wandering! laugh
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#23584 - 07 Jul 06 08:09 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Hello,

Thanks for the comments and points of view. They all make sense. I figure I'll just be myself, and stick with my friends (who are Indonesians and Chineses) while I learn the culture, while branching out on my own some. smile

Thanks for viewing my photos! I'm sincerely honored you like them! smile

(btw: yes, I can tell the diff between Chinese and Koreans hahahaha).

Rodney smile

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#23585 - 07 Jul 06 08:35 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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hey man its allright u are african originally
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#23586 - 07 Jul 06 08:55 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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One of the greatest things about the internet (at least until webcams became popular) was that everyone was blind.

We didn’t judge people on size, hair style, age, wrinkle count, nose shape, or colour.

It is a tragedy that life isn’t always the same.

Did you know polar bears have black skin, blue tongues and their hair isn’t white, but opaque?

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#23587 - 07 Jul 06 12:16 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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no worries Rodney, whether you black or white its all the same to me, but the most imnportent is you're a hot one wink

so, welcome Rodney..find me here the one and only jokie jokie girl wink

cheeerr
jokie
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#23588 - 07 Jul 06 12:27 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hi there,

I'm a black American moving to Jakarta to pursue cultural and reportage photography. It seems when Indonesians think of westerners they think of "bules" (whites). I was curious how blacks are accepted in Jakarta in general.

My first thought was Indonesians would think I am African, but having seen some Nigerians, they look somewhat 'different' from typical black guys in the USA.

I am just curious if ladies in general (not just for rupiahs or blok m hahahaha) typically like black guys. I know the general opinion of blacks in Asia, but it does vary from country to country. smile

Thx!

Rodney
Hi Rodney, welcome to JakChat!

i am not racist if i want dating a guy, don't care if he is white, black, brown or yellow, but i need to know how big & fat your wallet is! :p
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#23589 - 07 Jul 06 12:47 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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mee too Ela wink
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#23590 - 08 Jul 06 10:04 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile

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#23591 - 08 Jul 06 10:11 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile
oh dear. in that case, you definitely won't be popular with Ela ... or wallet-digga' ... or cherry ... or lulu ... or ruby ... <strike> or jokgirl </strike> ...
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#23592 - 08 Jul 06 10:31 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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or most women in the world... frown
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#23593 - 08 Jul 06 10:34 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by patung:
or most women in the world... frown
yes, but western women hide it better under veils of pseudo-sophistication ...
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#23594 - 08 Jul 06 11:47 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Rodney.. do you by any chance have wealthy parents who're planning pass all their inheritance to you? Lol.. you still have hopes..

Btw i saw laluna's comment and went to check your site. OMG! you're brilliant

i like the Renaissance Stone Stairs with the ivy ,it's so beautiful!!

It looked as though a bouquet has been left there by nature, to commemorate the place..

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#23595 - 08 Jul 06 12:04 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chocolatea:
i like the Renaissance Stone Stairs with the ivy ,it's so beautiful!!

It looked as though a bouquet has been left there by nature, to commemorate the place..
ah, just a bunch of old rocks and some weeds ...


wink
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#23596 - 08 Jul 06 12:05 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile
NEVER EVER EVER EVER say that to an Indo girl....

Just say you are disgustingly rich but mean. Thety will stick to you like glue, hoping to marry you.....

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#23597 - 08 Jul 06 12:37 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by The One and Only Polar Bear:
Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile
NEVER EVER EVER EVER say that to an Indo girl....

Just say you are disgustingly rich but mean. Thety will stick to you like glue, hoping to marry you.....
i can think of much worse things than being married to an indonesian girl ...
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#23598 - 08 Jul 06 13:10 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile
so, why you come to indonesia then confused
mau jadi gelandangan di indo...!
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#23599 - 08 Jul 06 13:13 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
Jokie Jokie Girl Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by patung:
or most women in the world... frown
yups, Except me wink
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#23600 - 08 Jul 06 13:17 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
Quote:
Originally posted by The One and Only Polar Bear:
Quote:
Originally posted by Rodney:
Hahahahaha,

Sorry, I'm poor hahahahahahaha smile
NEVER EVER EVER EVER say that to an Indo girl....

Just say you are disgustingly rich but mean. Thety will stick to you like glue, hoping to marry you.....
i can think of much worse things than being married to an indonesian girl ...
HEY I agree entirely. I think, should I ever get married again, it would be to an Indonesian woman. I can think of no better wife, lover or partner.

I live in an apartment complex full of young Indo girls 9and boys) and their pure enthusiasm for life, and general sense of fun, is infectious. If you get into the lift and everyone is laughing, you know they are Indonesian.

one day the men of the world will wake up to what they are missing out on......

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#23601 - 08 Jul 06 14:36 Re: Acceptance of Non-white Westerners In Jakarta
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Registered: 27 Jun 06
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Not just the kids, but most Indonesians in general. Even those at the bottom of the dung heap can smile about their shitty situation. Even after disasters – Aceh, Yogya – the poor buggers can still smile and joke among themselves. Shows a certain resilience. Particularly the Acehnese.

Not just the kids, but most Indonesians in general. Even those at the bottom of the dung heap can smile about their shitty situation. Even after disasters – Aceh, Yogya – the poor buggers can still smile and joke among themselves. Shows a certain resilience. Particularly the Acehnese.

I want to marry one myself but feel apprehensive about inflicting myself on her for the rest of her life.
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