Jailed for complaining about hospital service

Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 08:05

are you thinking about using the Omni International Hospital in Tangerang? think again. forget the spoiled brat malaysian princes and princesses, this is what indonesians should really be paying attention to.

Customer detained for writing email complaint

TANGERANG: Prita Mulyasari has been accused of defamation against Omni International Hospital in Serpong, Tangerang, for writing a complaint in a mailing list.

The housewife is currently being detained in Tangerang women penitentiary by the district prosecutors' office, vivanews.com reported Thursday.

Indonesian Human Rights and Legal Aid Association (PBHI) coordinator Anggara said Prita complained in an email about the hospital's services when she had a health check on Aug 7.

"She wrote the email because the hospital ignored her when she asked for her medical records," Anggara said.

The patient's complaints should not have been considered as defamation because as a customer, she had a right to complain, he said.

"We condemned the hospitals and doctors treating Prita for ignoring the patient and instead filing a civil lawsuit and criminal prosecution against her on Sept. 8."

Prita lost the civil law suit and is currently waiting for the criminal prosecution court session next week. -JP



Menulis di Internet Dipenjara
Ganjar: Email Keluhan Pribadi Tidak Termasuk Pelanggaran
Aprizal Rahmatullah - detikNews

Jakarta - Perbuatan Prita Mulyasari (32) yang mengirimkan email berisi keluhan tentang pelayanan RS Omni Internasional kepada teman-teman pribadinya belum bisa dikategorikan pelanggaran dalam UU Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik (UU ITE). Hal itu karena email tersebut sifatnya keluhan pribadi.

"Jika hanya bersifat keluhan pribadi ya saya rasa tidak (termasuk pelanggaran) ya. Sama seperti kita kirim SMS ke teman. Kecuali jika ada motif tertentu maka di sinilah harus dibuktikan motifnya apa," ujar mantan anggota Panitia Khusus (Pansus) UU ITE Ganjar Pranowo saat berbincang dengan detikcom, Selasa (2/6/2009).

Ganjar menambahkan, perbuatan Prita yang mengirimkan email tersebut mungkin saja tanpa motif. "Kecuali kalau teman-temannya menyebarluaskan terus ditambah-tambahi, semua pihak bisa dipertanggungjawabkan," ungkapnya.

Menurut Ganjar, perbuatan pencemaran nama baik sebagaimana diatur dalam Pasal 27 Ayat (3) UU ITE mempunyai syarat pembuktian yang cukup sulit. Seseorang yang melanggar harus dibuktikan memiliki motif sengaja mencemarkan nama baik.

Oleh karenanya penyidik jangan gegabah menggunakan pasal tersebut jika belum mempunyai bukti yang cukup. "Karena ini di dunia maya jadi berbeda dengan dunia riil," tambahnya.

Sebelumnya, Prita ditahan karena dituduh melakukan pencemaran nama baik terhadap RS Omni lewat internet. Kasus yang menimpa Prita ini berawal dari email yang dia kirim kepada teman-temannya seputar keluhannya terhadap RS Omni. Email tersebut kemudian menyebar ke publik lewat milis-milis.

Dalam emailnya, Prita merasa dibohongi oleh diagnosa dokter ketika dirawat di RS tersebut pada Agustus 2008. Dokter semula memvonis Prita menderita demam berdarah, namun kemudian menyatakan dia terkena virus udara. Tak hanya itu, dokter memberikan berbagai macam suntikan dengan dosis tinggi, sehingga Prita mengalami sesak nafas.

Saat hendak pindah ke RS lainnya, Prita mengajukan komplain karena kesulitan mendapatkan hasil laboratorium medis. Namun, keluhannya kepada RS Omni itu tidak pernah ditanggapi, sehingga dia mengungkapkan kronologi peristiwa yang menimpanya kepada teman-temannya melalui email dan berharap agar hanya dia saja yang mengalami hal serupa.

Saat ini Prita telah ditahan di Lapas Wanita Tangerang, Banten. Selain dijerat dengan pasal pencemaran nama baik, Prita juga dikenai Pasal 27 ayat (3) UU ITE No 11/2008.
(ape/nwk)
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 09:19

ah, so it seems at least some indonesians are sufficiently outraged by this matter!! there is a facebook group, Dukung Prita Mulyasari, just started about this issue! (one mentioned in the report below has been deleted for some reason.)

Menulis di Internet Dipenjara
Tembus 10 Ribu Member, Facebooker Target Penangguhan Penahanan Prita
Nograhany Widhi K - detikNews

Jakarta - Kelompok 'Dukungan bagi Ibu Prita Mulyasari' di Facebook menembus lebih 19 ribu anggota, jauh melebihi target, 7.500 anggota. Dengan banyaknya dukungan ini, facebooker mentargetkan setidaknya Prita mendapat penangguhan penahanan.

"Kita ingin menanggguhkan penahanan atau menganulir keputusan hakim. Ingin Bu Prita pulang dulu, sebisa mungkin. Kalau hasil terbaik ya menganulir putusan hakim, tapi minimal dia tidak ditahan," tegas Enda Nasution, administrator kaukus 'Dukungan bagi Ibu Prita Mulyasari'.

Enda yang dihubungi detikcom, Selasa (2/6/2009) berpendapat penahanan bagi Prita tidak masuk akal karena selaina ditahan, Prita dijerat dengan UU Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik (ITE), bukan dengan UU Perlindungan Konsumen.

Dedengkot blogger Indonesia ini juga menjelaskan, dengan dukungan sebesar itu, maka untuk melakukan sesuatu bagi Prita menjadi lebih mudah. Apalagi para anggota dukungan bisa dikontak melalui internet secara langsung.

"10 Ribu member bisa kita kontak lewat situs secara langsung jika ingin melakukan sesuatu. Entah bantuan materi atau immateri, tergantung apa langkah yang akan kita ambil selanjutnya," jelas dia.

Hari ini, langkah para facebooker itu mulai dikonkretkan. Mereka akan mengadakan rapat menentukan langkah selanjutnya di kantor Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI) pusat.

Penelusuran detikcom di Facebook hari Rabu (3/6/2009), kelompok yang dimotori Enda ini berhasil menggaet lebih dari 18 ribu pendukung. (nwk/nwk)
Posted by: bulegaul

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 10:05

shit like this makes me glad I'm leaving next month!!!
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 10:06

yep, this is exactly the sort of stuff that can wear you down in indonesia.
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 10:30

Already there are some quite rocket scientist level postings on the facebook wall for this group...

ini lah buah dari sekuler kapilatilsm,,,,apakah kita masih mempertahankan sistem kufur yang berlaku saat ini..?

This is the fruit of secular capitalism,,, Why do we still maintain this kufur system which prevails..?

Never mind that the prosecutor is Muslim and, statistically, so are those who brought the complaint against her in the first place.

Religion is such a fucking waste of time and clouds real issues such as this one... >:(
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 10:39

infidel system? well, yes, i guess, sort of ... not a very helpful comment. especially as probably nearly all involved in the establishment and running of this hospital are muslim.


Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 10:44

FATWAH!! FAAAATWAAAAAH!!!!!
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 12:30

Omni Hospital Seek Second Win in Libel Case
Tuesday, 02 June, 2009 | 20:28 WIB

TEMPO Interactive, Jakarta: An Indonesian mother detained by the police for libel lawsuit filed by an international hospital chain in Tangerang, Banten Province will be tried on Thursday this week.

Prita Mulyasari, 32, a mother of two was detained since May 13 at Tangerang Penitentiary for female inmates, for forwarding complaint letter on the services she received from Alam Sutra Omni Internasional Hospital in Serpong.

Spokesman for Jakarta police Adjutant Senior Commissioner Chyshnanda said on Tuesday (2/6) Prita was charged for defamation. Tangerang Municipal Court said trial to begin on Thursday (4/6).

Prita was treated at hospital in August last year as she was suffering from fever nausea and headache and distributed complaint letter through several mailing-lists.

She could face maximum sentence of five years behind bars for the charges, after a civil court ruled in favor of the hospital on May 100 and ordered Prita to pay the hospital Rp 261 million.

JONIANSYAH | RUDY P | MUSTAFA SILALAHI
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 12:32

Press Council supports detained ex-patient

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Wed, 06/03/2009 10:33 AM | Jakarta

The Indonesian Press Council plans to visit and show support to Prita Mulyasari, a housewife who has been detained for defamation allegations after complaining over the Internet about receiving allegedly substandard hospital treatment, at Tangerang Women's Penitentiary on Wednesday.

Abdullah Alamudi, a member of the council, told kompas.com that the council would also protest Tangerang High Prosecutors' Office over Prita's case.

She was charged or violating Articles 27 of the Electronic Information Transaction Law and Article 310 and 311 of the Criminal Code, which carry a maximum sentence of six years in jail.

He said the council has found peculiarities in the case and would send letters to the Attorney General's Office and the president.

Prita has spent three weeks at Tangerang Women Penitentiary after being accused of defamation by Omni International Hospital in Serpong, Tangerang. She was separated from her two children, Khairan Ananta, 3, and Ranariya, 15 months old, and therefore unable to breast feed the latter.

Her story has created a buzz over the Internet with support pouring in through blogs and a Facebook cause titled Dukungan Bagi Ibu Prita Mulyasari, Penulis Surat Keluhan Melalui Internet yang Dipenjara (Support for Ibu Prita Mulyasari, Arrested Internet Complaint Author). About 27,000 people have joined the cause by Wednesday morning.

Prita said her Aug. 27, 2008 email — titled Penipuan (Fraud by) Omni International Hospital Alam Sutera Tangerang — revealed her disappointment over the hospital's poor service, its management's arrogance and its doctors’ inability to diagnose her illness during her treatment at the hospital from Aug. 7 to 12.


In a September 2008 civil lawsuit, the court ordered her to pay Rp 50 million (US$4,761) of the Rp 400 million compensation demanded by the hospital, as well as make a public apology in two printed media. (dre)
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:00

this issue is now turning into a circus, with election teams from JK-Win and Mega-Pro attempting to use it to political advantage. Mega even went to the jail just now to meet the woman involved! what a joke!
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:14

Quoting: KuKuKaChu
this issue is now turning into a circus, with election teams from JK-Win and Mega-Pro attempting to use it to political advantage. Mega even went to the jail just now to meet the woman involved! what a joke!


You've been here FAR too long to be surprised. You aren't, are you?
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:16

well, ok, i wasn't *that* surprised. i just thought they'd have a little more self-respect. clearly not!
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:26

Prita Mulyasari has been released! conveniently coinciding with a visit from Megawati ...

so now we know what it takes to get people out of jail in indonesia.
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:28

The gravedigger keeps diggin' away for poor ol' RSOI with little stories like:

"RS OMNI TAK TAKUT GERAKAN BOIKOT DI FACEBOOK"

English: "OMNI HOSPITAL DOESN'T FEAR BOYCOTT MOVEMENT ON FACEBOOK"

Idiotic tools. I hope they find out quite soon how effective the internet can be in this arena.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:36

16,000 Join Web Fight for Jailed Mother

More than 16,000 people have joined an online support group on Facebook for a mother currently in prison for a “defamatory” e-mail she sent out about the standard of care in an exclusive Tangerang hospital.

The plight of 32-year-old Prita Mulyasari, who has two children, has also caught the attention of the National Commission on Human Rights (Komnas HAM) and nongovermental organizations like the Indonesian Consumers Foundation (YLKI) and the Indonesian Legal Aid and Human Rights Association (PBHI).

In a statement released on Monday, the PBHI demanded that the Tangerang District Court, which ruled against Prita in a civil case last month and ordered she be taken into custody pending a criminal hearing this week, reverse its decision and free her.

It also demanded that the House of Representatives and the Constitutional Court revise the Criminal Code’s defamation section because it was frequently used to restrict free speech.

“Prita was shocked because she never thought this case would have the ramifications it did, believing that she was just sharing her thoughts with her friends,” her sister Carolina Siswo Pratiwi told the Jakarta Globe on Tuesday.

Prita was taken into custody on May 13 after losing a civil case brought by the Omni International Hospital in Banten. She could face a six-year prison sentence and a Rp 1 billion ($98,000) fine if found guilty in a criminal trial.

The case began in August 2008 when Prita wrote an e-mail detailing her experience as a patient at Omni to 10 friends. The note quickly spread before the hospital found out about it.

Prita wrote that Omni staff first diagnosed her with dengue fever, but later said that she had a virus and gave her an injection.

She said her condition then worsened and she began to feel numbness. She decided to switch hospitals and asked Omni to provide her with the original diagnosis. The hospital, however, refused, saying that it was not part of her official medical history.

Prita alleged “fraud” on the part of the hospital because of the withheld diagnosis.

Andri Nugraha, Prita’s husband, said that she sometimes lapsed into depression because of her confinement in Tangerang Prison and her separation from her two young children.

“I can’t thank you and everyone else enough, especially the nongovernmental organizations for giving their support,” he said, adding that his family had met with Komnas HAM ahead of Prita’s scheduled appearance in court on Thursday.

Komnas HAM commissioner Nurkholis said that Prita’s case could set a terrible legal precedent and endanger free speech.

“First things first: we need to get her out of jail because her children need her,” he said after visiting Prita at the prison.

Nurkholis said Omni should have limited its legal action to civil court. “We can’t really interfere with the civil case, but taking it into criminal territory is exaggerating matters,” he said.

Omni’s lawyer, Heribertus Hartojo, alleged that Prita’s e-mail had caused the firm substantial financial losses from patient boycotts and frozen business deals.

Heribertus said that Omni had tried to settle the case out of court by asking Prita to publicly apologize and drop her demand for the original diagnosis, but no agreement was reached.

“The family insisted on their stance [against apologizing] and was not cooperative,” he said.

Andri, however, denied this.

“We never wanted to do this the hard way and we never intended to report the case as malpractice,” he said. “We always hoped Omni would settle the case outside of court, but they don’t seem to be interested.”
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:37

Facebook protest now has 53,000 members.

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/290597/48310038?m=95ac708a
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 17:42

Quoting: Piss Salon
Omni’s lawyer, Heribertus Hartojo, alleged that Prita’s email had caused the firm substantial financial losses from patient boycotts and frozen business deals.


Well, if her email didn't cause substantial financial loss, then Omni's triple flame-broiled whopper of bone-headed moves certainly will!

Service Business 101: If you piss on the shoes of a consumer, for God's sake DON'T make it public by turning said consumer into a martyr.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 18:05

She's out but still under city arrest. Facebook now 60,000.
Posted by: Derek Gratis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 18:17

Quoting: Sammy Jankis
Quoting: Piss Salon
Omni’s lawyer, Heribertus Hartojo, alleged that Prita’s email had caused the firm substantial financial losses from patient boycotts and frozen business deals.


Well, if her email didn't cause substantial financial loss, then Omni's triple flame-broiled whopper of bone-headed moves certainly will!

Service Business 101: If you piss on the shoes of a consumer, for God's sake DON'T make it public by turning said consumer into a martyr.


Exactly Sir Jankis. The stupid buggers. I'm more interested in the toe rag of a judge that allowed this bint to be locked up though. I certainly won't be choosing Omni for my impending sex change op.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 18:37

And the boycott campaign begins.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-No-To-RS-OMNI-Internasional-Tangerang/87380835097?ref=mf
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 18:43

Quoting: Piss Salon
And the boycott campaign begins.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Say-No-To-RS-OMNI-Internasional-Tangerang/87380835097?ref=mf

i've joined up already!! make the fuckers pay!!
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 18:58

Ditto, I just joined up!

If you think about it, this could end up changing a lot of things (at least consumer rights-wise) here in Indonesia. And even better, isn't it nice to prove how fucking stupid all those mewling mullahs are for bitching about the dangers of facebook?
Posted by: Derek Gratis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 19:01

Time for a Hate Project post SJ.
Posted by: Sammy Jankis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 03 Jun 09 19:12

Quoting: Derek Gratis
Time for a Hate Project post SJ.


*wrings hands maniacally*
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 04 Jun 09 02:57

Hasn't been one for a while. Hate project that is.

Questions clearly have to be asked as to the motivations of the hospital involved? Not why the column hasn't been updated but the Prita horror story.

Was is misdiagnosis on the part of the hospital? I mean, is Dengue so common that something as simple as the mumps can be overlooked? Perhaps.

What is more likely, given my somewhat cynical nature, is that they knew she had medical insurance and wanted to extract as much money out her and her insurer as possible, in the mistaken belief that she was a typical Indonesian who would raise no objection to being shafted for as long and hard as they wanted.

Sure, private hospitals have to make a return on investment - some of the hospitals are more than decent - but fucking 'customers' over when they are at their most vulnerable is an absolute disgrace.

The C-section scam they pull in hospitals is a prime example but what else do these soulless money worshipers get away with? Anybody?

Counterfeit drugs is another major problem and is one of the reasons that Indonesia made the US's piracy black list. Nobody reported it of course, instead focusing on illegal DVDs.

Put it this way: What medical professional would 'sell' a pill to a dying patient (or rather their families) knowing its fake and will result in their deaths?

And of course, bigger picture (its a bigger picture to me cause I'm in the prime of my life and I don't care about health issues) is that nasty Law on Electronic Information and Transactions.

Funny Cut and paste from Post:

Legal adviser for the communications and information minister, Edmon Makarim, said Wednesday the libel case implicating housewife Prita Mulyasari could not justify calls for revocation of the 2008 law on Electronic Information and Transaction due to suspicion that it would stifle freedom of speech.

Prita is charged with Article 27 of the law after she sent an e-mail containing her complaints about services at Omni International Hospital Alam Sutera in Tangerang, Banten.

“Don't judge the law if you don't know what exactly happened. The trial has not even started yet,” Edmon told a seminar at University of Indonesia in Depok, West Java.

“Who knows there was a conspiracy behind the case. We know that hospital business today is also full of competitions,” he added.

“I don't want to comment on Prita's particular case. The point is, if you, transmit slander through internet, you are subject to criminal charges,” Edmon said.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 04 Jun 09 03:04

Another shitty piece of legislation from, and they hit the top again according to today's Transparency International survey, the lovely DPR.

Globe
Sabam Leo Batubara, the deputy chairman of the Press Council, said that Prita’s detention was “an authoritarian act.”

“How could she be detained for writing a complaint? The hospital should have considered it as input from a client,” he said.

Sabam said the use of the Information and Electronic Transaction Law against Prita was a threat to freedom of expression.

“The country should revise the defamation article in the law. It could be used to limit freedom of speech. She is only a citizen who expressed her criticism of a hospital’s service,” he said.


And I love this quote from a respected idiot at the end. Selective application of the Law anybody?


Constitutional Court chief Mahfud MD said the defamation article in the Information and Electronic Transaction Law was constitutional, but called on the police and prosecutors to be careful in applying it, to prevent “possible innocent victims.”
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 04 Jun 09 03:04

Dogs
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 04 Jun 09 03:04

Balls
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 05 Jun 09 16:20

here's the message Prita posted that is at the centre of this controversy. (no, i'm not going to translate it for you! the gal blabbers on for ages ...)


Prita Mulyasari

Jangan sampai kejadian saya ini menimpa ke nyawa manusia lainnya. Terutama anak-anak, lansia, dan bayi. Bila anda berobat berhati-hatilah dengan kemewahan rumah sakit (RS) dan title international karena semakin mewah RS dan semakin pintar dokter maka semakin sering uji coba pasien, penjualan obat, dan suntikan.

Saya tidak mengatakan semua RS international seperti ini tapi saya mengalami kejadian ini di RS Omni International. Tepatnya tanggal 7 Agustus 2008 jam 20.30 WIB. Saya dengan kondisi panas tinggi dan pusing kepala datang ke RS OMNI Internasional dengan percaya bahwa RS tersebut berstandar International, yang tentunya pasti mempunyai ahli kedokteran dan manajemen yang bagus.

Saya diminta ke UGD dan mulai diperiksa suhu badan saya dan hasilnya 39 derajat. Setelah itu dilakukan pemeriksaan darah dan hasilnya adalah trombosit saya 27.000 dengan kondisi normalnya adalah 200.000. Saya diinformasikan dan ditangani oleh dr I (umum) dan dinyatakan saya wajib rawat inap. dr I melakukan pemeriksaan lab ulang dengan sample darah saya yang sama dan hasilnya dinyatakan masih sama yaitu thrombosit 27.000.

dr I menanyakan dokter specialist mana yang akan saya gunakan. Tapi, saya meminta referensi darinya karena saya sama sekali buta dengan RS ini. Lalu referensi dr I adalah dr H. dr H memeriksa kondisi saya dan saya menanyakan saya sakit apa dan dijelaskan bahwa ini sudah positif demam berdarah.

Mulai malam itu saya diinfus dan diberi suntikan tanpa penjelasan atau izin pasien atau keluarga pasien suntikan tersebut untuk apa. Keesokan pagi, dr H visit saya dan menginformasikan bahwa ada revisi hasil lab semalam. Bukan 27.000 tapi 181.000 (hasil lab bisa dilakukan revisi?). Saya kaget tapi dr H terus memberikan instruksi ke suster perawat supaya diberikan berbagai macam suntikan yang saya tidak tahu dan tanpa izin pasien atau keluarga pasien.

Saya tanya kembali jadi saya sakit apa sebenarnya dan tetap masih sama dengan jawaban semalam bahwa saya kena demam berdarah. Saya sangat khawatir karena di rumah saya memiliki 2 anak yang masih batita. Jadi saya lebih memilih berpikir positif tentang RS dan dokter ini supaya saya cepat sembuh dan saya percaya saya ditangani oleh dokter profesional standard Internatonal.

Mulai Jumat terebut saya diberikan berbagai macam suntikan yang setiap suntik tidak ada keterangan apa pun dari suster perawat, dan setiap saya meminta keterangan tidak mendapatkan jawaban yang memuaskan. Lebih terkesan suster hanya menjalankan perintah dokter dan pasien harus menerimanya. Satu boks lemari pasien penuh dengan infus dan suntikan disertai banyak ampul.

Tangan kiri saya mulai membengkak. Saya minta dihentikan infus dan suntikan dan minta ketemu dengan dr H. Namun, dokter tidak datang sampai saya dipindahkan ke ruangan. Lama kelamaan suhu badan saya makin naik kembali ke 39 derajat dan datang dokter pengganti yang saya juga tidak tahu dokter apa. Setelah dicek dokter tersebut hanya mengatakan akan menunggu dr H saja.

Esoknya dr H datang sore hari dengan hanya menjelaskan ke suster untuk memberikan obat berupa suntikan lagi. Saya tanyakan ke dokter tersebut saya sakit apa sebenarnya dan dijelaskan saya kena virus udara. Saya tanyakan berarti bukan kena demam berdarah. Tapi, dr H tetap menjelaskan bahwa demam berdarah tetap virus udara. Saya dipasangkan kembali infus sebelah kanan dan kembali diberikan suntikan yang sakit sekali.

Malamnya saya diberikan suntikan 2 ampul sekaligus dan saya terserang sesak napas selama 15 menit dan diberikan oxygen. Dokter jaga datang namun hanya berkata menunggu dr H saja.

Jadi malam itu saya masih dalam kondisi infus. Padahal tangan kanan saya pun mengalami pembengkakan seperti tangan kiri saya. Saya minta dengan paksa untuk diberhentikan infusnya dan menolak dilakukan suntikan dan obat-obatan.

Esoknya saya dan keluarga menuntut dr H untuk ketemu dengan kami. Namun, janji selalu diulur-ulur dan baru datang malam hari. Suami dan kakak-kakak saya menuntut penjelasan dr H mengenai sakit saya, suntikan, hasil lab awal yang 27.000 menjadi revisi 181.000 dan serangan sesak napas yang dalam riwayat hidup saya belum pernah terjadi. Kondisi saya makin parah dengan membengkaknya leher kiri dan mata kiri.

dr H tidak memberikan penjelasan dengan memuaskan. Dokter tersebut malah mulai memberikan instruksi ke suster untuk diberikan obat-obatan kembali dan menyuruh tidak digunakan infus kembali. Kami berdebat mengenai kondisi saya dan meminta dr H bertanggung jawab mengenai ini dari hasil lab yang pertama yang seharusnya saya bisa rawat jalan saja. dr H menyalahkan bagian lab dan tidak bisa memberikan keterangan yang memuaskan.

Keesokannya kondisi saya makin parah dengan leher kanan saya juga mulai membengkak dan panas kembali menjadi 39 derajat. Namun, saya tetap tidak mau dirawat di RS ini lagi dan mau pindah ke RS lain. Tapi, saya membutuhkan data medis yang lengkap dan lagi-lagi saya dipermainkan dengan diberikan data medis yang fiktif.

Dalam catatan medis diberikan keterangan bahwa bab (buang air besar) saya lancar padahal itu kesulitan saya semenjak dirawat di RS ini tapi tidak ada follow up-nya sama sekali. Lalu hasil lab yang diberikan adalah hasil thrombosit saya yang 181.000 bukan 27.000.

Saya ngotot untuk diberikan data medis hasil lab 27.000 namun sangat dikagetkan bahwa hasil lab 27.000 tersebut tidak dicetak dan yang tercetak adalah 181.000. Kepala lab saat itu adalah dr M dan setelah saya komplain dan marah-marah dokter tersebut mengatakan bahwa catatan hasil lab 27.000 tersebut ada di Manajemen Omni. Maka saya desak untuk bertemu langsung dengan Manajemen yang memegang hasil lab tersebut.

Saya mengajukan komplain tertulis ke Manajemen Omni dan diterima oleh Og(Customer Service Coordinator) dan saya minta tanda terima. Dalam tanda terima tersebut hanya ditulis saran bukan komplain. Saya benar-benar dipermainkan oleh Manajemen Omni dengan staff Og yang tidak ada service-nya sama sekali ke customer melainkan seperti mencemooh tindakan saya meminta tanda terima pengajuan komplain tertulis.

Dalam kondisi sakit saya dan suami saya ketemu dengan manajemen. Atas nama Og (Customer Service Coordinator) dan dr G (Customer Service Manager) dan diminta memberikan keterangan kembali mengenai kejadian yang terjadi dengan saya.

Saya benar-benar habis kesabaran dan saya hanya meminta surat pernyataan dari lab RS ini mengenai hasil lab awal saya adalah 27.000 bukan 181.000. Makanya saya diwajibkan masuk ke RS ini padahal dengan kondisi thrombosit 181.000 saya masih bisa rawat jalan.

Tanggapan dr G yang katanya adalah penanggung jawab masalah komplain saya ini tidak profesional sama sekali. Tidak menanggapi komplain dengan baik. Dia mengelak bahwa lab telah memberikan hasil lab 27.000 sesuai dr M informasikan ke saya. Saya minta duduk bareng antara lab, Manajemen, dan dr H. Namun, tidak bisa dilakukan dengan alasan akan dirundingkan ke atas (Manajemen) dan berjanji akan memberikan surat tersebut jam 4 sore.

Setelah itu saya ke RS lain dan masuk ke perawatan dalam kondisi saya dimasukkan dalam ruangan isolasi karena virus saya ini menular. Menurut analisa ini adalah sakitnya anak-anak yaitu sakit gondongan namun sudah parah karena sudah membengkak. Kalau kena orang dewasa laki-laki bisa terjadi impoten dan perempuan ke pankreas dan kista.

Saya lemas mendengarnya dan benar-benar marah dengan RS Omni yang telah membohongi saya dengan analisa sakit demam berdarah dan sudah diberikan suntikan macam-macam dengan dosis tinggi sehingga mengalami sesak napas. Saya tanyakan mengenai suntikan tersebut ke RS yang baru ini dan memang saya tidak kuat dengan suntikan dosis tinggi sehingga terjadi sesak napas.

Suami saya datang kembali ke RS Omni menagih surat hasil lab 27.000 tersebut namun malah dihadapkan ke perundingan yang tidak jelas dan meminta diberikan waktu besok pagi datang langsung ke rumah saya. Keesokan paginya saya tunggu kabar orang rumah sampai jam 12 siang belum ada orang yang datang dari Omni memberikan surat tersebut.

Saya telepon dr G sebagai penanggung jawab kompain dan diberikan keterangan bahwa kurirnya baru mau jalan ke rumah saya. Namun, sampai jam 4 sore saya tunggu dan ternyata belum ada juga yang datang ke rumah saya. Kembali saya telepon dr G dan dia mengatakan bahwa sudah dikirim dan ada tanda terima atas nama Rukiah.

Ini benar-benar kebohongan RS yang keterlaluan sekali. Di rumah saya tidak ada nama Rukiah. Saya minta disebutkan alamat jelas saya dan mencari datanya sulit sekali dan membutuhkan waktu yang lama. LOgkanya dalam tanda terima tentunya ada alamat jelas surat tertujunya ke mana kan? Makanya saya sebut Manajemen Omni pembohon besar semua. Hati-hati dengan permainan mereka yang mempermainkan nyawa orang.

Terutama dr G dan Og, tidak ada sopan santun dan etika mengenai pelayanan customer, tidak sesuai dengan standard international yang RS ini cantum.

Saya bilang ke dr G, akan datang ke Omni untuk mengambil surat tersebut dan ketika suami saya datang ke Omni hanya dititipkan ke resepsionis saja dan pas dibaca isi suratnya sungguh membuat sakit hati kami.

Pihak manajemen hanya menyebutkan mohon maaf atas ketidaknyamanan kami dan tidak disebutkan mengenai kesalahan lab awal yang menyebutkan 27.000 dan dilakukan revisi 181.000 dan diberikan suntikan yang mengakibatkan kondisi kesehatan makin memburuk dari sebelum masuk ke RS Omni.

Kenapa saya dan suami saya ngotot dengan surat tersebut? Karena saya ingin tahu bahwa sebenarnya hasil lab 27.000 itu benar ada atau fiktif saja supaya RS Omni mendapatkan pasien rawat inap.

Dan setelah beberapa kali kami ditipu dengan janji maka sebenarnya adalah hasil lab saya 27.000 adalah fiktif dan yang sebenarnya saya tidak perlu rawat inap dan tidak perlu ada suntikan dan sesak napas dan kesehatan saya tidak makin parah karena bisa langsung tertangani dengan baik.

Saya dirugikan secara kesehatan. Mungkin dikarenakan biaya RS ini dengan asuransi makanya RS ini seenaknya mengambil limit asuransi saya semaksimal mungkin. Tapi, RS ini tidak memperdulikan efek dari keserakahan ini.

Sdr Og menyarankan saya bertemu dengan direktur operasional RS Omni (dr B). Namun, saya dan suami saya sudah terlalu lelah mengikuti permainan kebohongan mereka dengan kondisi saya masih sakit dan dirawat di RS lain.

Syukur Alhamdulilah saya mulai membaik namun ada kondisi mata saya yang selaput atasnya robek dan terkena virus sehingga penglihatan saya tidak jelas dan apabila terkena sinar saya tidak tahan dan ini membutuhkan waktu yang cukup untuk menyembuhkan.

Setiap kehidupan manusia pasti ada jalan hidup dan nasibnya masing-masing. Benar. Tapi, apabila nyawa manusia dipermainkan oleh sebuah RS yang dipercaya untuk menyembuhkan malah mempermainkan sungguh mengecewakan.

Semoga Allah memberikan hati nurani ke Manajemen dan dokter RS Omni supaya diingatkan kembali bahwa mereka juga punya keluarga, anak, orang tua yang tentunya suatu saat juga sakit dan membutuhkan medis. Mudah-mudahan tidak terjadi seperti yang saya alami di RS Omni ini.

Saya sangat mengharapkan mudah-mudahan salah satu pembaca adalah karyawan atau dokter atau Manajemen RS Omni. Tolong sampaikan ke dr G, dr H, dr M, dan Og bahwa jangan sampai pekerjaan mulia kalian sia-sia hanya demi perusahaan Anda. Saya informasikan juga dr H praktek di RSCM juga. Saya tidak mengatakan RSCM buruk tapi lebih hati-hati dengan perawatan medis dari dokter ini.


Salam,
Prita Mulyasari
Alam Sutera
Posted by: Derek Gratis

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 05 Jun 09 17:00

RS Omni are a bit fik like. Total commercial suicide by them.
Posted by: chewwyUK

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 11:06

anybody know who owns the hospital?
Posted by: kenyeung

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 13:48

Quoting: chewwyUK
anybody know who owns the hospital?


Apparently it is managed by PT Sarana Meditama Metropolitan and is ultimately part of the Ongko Group. The Ongko family was close to Suharto's favorite crony tycoon Bob Hasan. Kaharuddin Ongko and Irjanto Ongko were accused of involvement in banking fraud and the misuse of central bank funds.

Oh dear. Not very helpful publicity for the ethnic Chinese community.

Posted by: kenyeung

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 14:12

Some details, not previously in this thread, from today's article in The Australian newspaper:

So, too, are officials at the Omni International Hospital, where Ms Mulyasari went for treatment after suffering a fever for three days last August. After being misdiagnosed with the mosquito-borne dengue virus - in fact, she had mumps - she was given a series of injections that quickly made her condition worse. She suffered major swelling to her hands and neck, breathing difficulties and damage to one eye.

In an angry email to friends later she warned them to watch out for hospitals boasting "luxury" and an "international title, because the more luxurious the hospital is, and the smarter the doctors are, the more frequent the patient tests, drug sales, and injections".

Omni should have treated her as an outpatient and given her a minimum of medication, she claimed. Hospital care in Indonesia, where medical insurance is minimal, is an expensive and unregulated business, with profits made on each prescription.

The long email, initially sent only to friends, became a hot item on Indonesian blogs, which led the hospital to launch a civil defamation suit against Ms Mulyasari. She lost that case last month and was fined 312 million rupiah ($38,512). Two days later, prosecutors arrested her on the heavier criminal charges, carrying a maximum six years' jail.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 16:24

Indeed. She was taken into custody and jailed for refusing to pay the fine, according to another article.

Kaharudin's name is also spelled with one d. He made the 2007 rich list. Haven't checked most recent lists, though judging from his practices at Omni 'International', there is no reason to suggest he's not still on there.

117. Kaharudin Ongko (70); Ongko Group; US$85 million; Property, ceramics
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 16:26

There he is at number 8.

Ten Largest Debtors

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Mon, 12/02/2002 7:18 AM | Business

Salim Group: Total debts - Rp 52.7 trillion, IBRA's total proceeds from sales (as of June 30, 2002) - Rp 16.8 trillion, Recovery rate (as of June 30, 2002) - 33 percent, Category: MSAA *

Soedono Salim, also known as Liem Sioe Liong, is the founding chairman of the Salim Group, who established and owned Bank Central Asia (BCA), the country's largest private bank. Soedono, who reportedly now lives comfortably in Singapore, was considered to be the cash cow of longtime former ruler president Soeharto.

IBRA is currently auditing Salim's assets relinquished to the agency, as the group claims it overpaid its debt.

* Under the Master Settlement and Acquisition Agreement (MSAA), debtors have to settle their debts by ceding assets, valued by auditors as equivalent to their debts, to IBRA

Sjamsul Nursalim: Total debts - Rp 28.4 trillion, IBRA's total proceeds from sales (as of June 30, 2002) - Rp 3 trillion, Recovery rate (as of June 30, 2002) - 12 percent, Category: MSAA

Sjamsul is the former director of the defunct Bank Dagang Negara Indonesia. His bank received Bank Indonesia liquidity support (BLBI) to help cope with a bank run during the height of the economic crisis.

Sjamsul, who also owns the Gadjah Tunggal Group, fled to Singapore last year soon after being released from detention as a suspect. Claiming to have a heart condition, he said he wanted to seek medical treatment in the city-state.

The litigation assistance team for IBRA categorized Sjamsul as a ""noncooperative"" debtor. The Attorney General's Office is still trying to bring back Sjamsul from Singapore. If that fails, the office says it will present Sjamsul's dossiers to the court for an in-absentia trial.

Mohammad ""Bob"" Hasan: Total debts - Rp 6.1 trillion, Total assets relinquished - 21 assets, Category: MSAA

The man who is widely known as Bob is the owner of defunct Bank Umum Nasional (BUN). The golfing partner of Soeharto is also a timber tycoon.

He once refused to hand over his assets to IBRA, citing he was serving a six-year jail term in the Nusakambangan Penitentiary for his wrongdoing.

However, in early November this year, Bob decided to cooperate with IBRA, saying through his aide Leo Tanubrata that he would pay his debt with his 21 assets, including several of his industrial forestry estate companies.

Sudwikatmono: Total debts - Rp 1.8 trillion, Total assets relinquished - 3, Category: MSAA

Sudwikatmono is the former owner of closed down Bank Subentra and Bank Surya. IBRA is currently seeking ways to obtain PT Dwi Mitra Nusantara, Sudwikatmono's most prominent asset, which is estimated to be worth Rp 639 billion. Dwi Mitra is the owner of the Radisson hotel.

Sudwikatmono, who is a cousin of president Soeharto, has promised to pay off all his debts by the end of this month. If that happens, IBRA has promised to drop all legal charges against him.

Ibrahim Risjad: Total debts - Rp 639 billion, IBRA's total proceeds from sales (as of June 30, 2002) - Rp 639 billion, Recovery rate (as of June 30, 2002) - 100 percent, Category: MSAA

Ibrahim Risjad, the owner of the closed Bank Risjad Salim, is the only debtor considered to have settled his debt in good faith. Ibrahim also helped Soedono Salim establish and nurture the Salim Group. Ibrahim is waiting for the government to issue papers that release him of all legal liabilities.

Usman Admadjaja: Total debts - Rp 12.3 trillion, IBRA's total proceeds from sales (in estimation) - Rp 3 trillion, Category: MRNIA *

Usman is the former owner of Bank Danamon. He admitted last month that he had given up all hope of settling his debt to the state, claiming he had no assets left to be handed over to IBRA.

Although claiming to be broke, Usman reportedly still lives a luxurious life. The litigation team for IBRA has categorized Usman as noncooperative.

* Under the Master of Refinancing and Note Issuance Agreements (MRNIA), debtors settle their debts by surrendering a combination of their cash and fixed assets to IBRA. Debtors are also obliged to give their personal guarantee if they fail to pay the equivalent of their debt.

Samadikun Hartono: Total debts - Rp 2.3 trillion, Category: MRNIA

Samadikun appears to have followed Usman's lead by also claiming to be unable to settle his debt to the state. The former owner of the defunct Bank Modern said that he had given all his assets to IBRA. The litigation team for IBRA has also labeled him noncooperative.

Kaharudin Ongko: Total debts - Rp 2.3 trillion, Category: MRNIA

Kaharudin, the partner of Bob Hasan in running Bank Umum National, has told IBRA that he had tried his utmost to hand over his assets to cover the debt. However, the litigation team for IBRA has categorized Kaharudin as a noncooperative debtor for failing to fulfill the agreement of ceding his 20 companies to the state. Thus far, only six of his companies have been handed over to IBRA. The Central Jakarta Prosecutor's Office demanded in October this year that the court sentence Kaharudin to 16 years in prison for misusing BLBI funds.

Trijono Gondokusumo: Total debts - Rp 3 trillion, Category: APU *

Trijono Gondokusumo is considered one of the most noncooperative debtors. Frustrated by his uncooperativeness, in mid-November this year, IBRA asked the Attorney General's Office to take legal action against him.

Trijono is the former owner of Bank Putra Surya Perkasa (PSP). Trijono and other Gondokusumo family members have reportedly fled the country, fearing the government would ask for their personal guarantee.

* Under the Deed of Indebtedness Agreement (APU), debtors settle their debts by paying cash to IBRA.

Atang Latief: Total debts - Rp 446 billion, Category: APU

Atang Latief is the owner of liquidated Bank Bira and Bank Tamara. Atang, nicknamed the ""Gambling King"" for his shares in many gambling businesses in the region, including on Christmas Island, is said to live in Singapore.

Atang has been put on the list of cooperative debtors, who IBRA declared in June 2002 exempt from interest and penalties.

Source: The Jakarta Post's database and clippings of Kontan, Tempo, Swasembada weeklies.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 16:31

Seems he got a get-out-of-jail-free card in 2001, despite stealing US$1.2 billion.

Ongko, Samadikun leave detention

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 05/04/2001 7:12 AM | Jakarta

JAKARTA (JP): The Attorney General's Office released on Thursday businessmen Kaharudin Ongko and Samadikun Hartono, both suspects in bank scams, from their detention and placed them under house arrest instead.

The office's spokesman Muljohardjo said the two suspects were discharged, pending their trials.

""State prosecutors handling their case deemed it was no longer necessary to keep them in cells as the investigation into them had been completed and sufficient evidence had been obtained,"" Muljohardjo told reporters.

Another suspect, former director of PT Bank Umum Servitia David Nusa Wijaya, had served his house arrest since April 30.

Muljohardjo said that the three had been cooperative during questioning and that all their bank assets were now in the hands of the Indonesian Bank Restructuring Agency (IBRA).

The case centers on the alleged misuse of some Rp 138.4 trillion of the state liquidity support extended to their ailing banks and another 45 banks during the bleakest period of the economic crisis from 1997 to 1999.

Ongko is alleged of misappropriating Rp 12 trillion of the liquidity loan when he was vice president of the PT Bank Umum Nasional (BUN) board of commissioners, while the former commissioner of Bank Modern Samadikun is implicated in the misuse of Rp 766 billion of the emergency funds.

The three cases account for Rp 1.27 billion in state losses.

The liquidity support funds, known as BLBI, were supposed to only be used to reimburse depositors after massive runs hit the banking industry. But some banks had allegedly used the funds for other purposes, including to bail out debt-ridden companies in their groups.

Their exit left former directors of Bank Indonesia Hendro Budiyanto and Heru Supraptomo as the only detainees in the investigation into state liquidity loan scandals. (bby)
Posted by: kenyeung

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 19:28

The hospital in question has an interesting website:
http://www.omni-hospitals.com

Clearly it's a good hospital because it has a Healing Garden, Bakery Shop, Gift Shop, Fruit and Flower Shop, and Beauty Salon. And it supports Global Warming.


OMNI INTERNATIONAL HOSPITAL

Omni International Hospital has officially operated on April 30, 2008 which is located in Alam Sutera, it is a very strategies places because its supported with a lot of alternatives highway that connected to Jakarta – Tangerang and direct access from International Airport Soekarno Hatta will be built soon. With these ease, it will facilitate patient from around Indonesia and overseas to have treatment in Omni International Hospital. To chase the fast growing of patient from around Indonesia and Overseas, Omni International Hospital is anticipated by building Hotel next to hospital, based on Omni's concept to create Hospital with Mall and Hotel in one place.

Stand in 1,2 ha land, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera comprise to 5 level, 1st floor is used for UGD and other support facilities such as laboratory, radiology, Healing Garden, Pharmacy, Children Playground, Cafe, S-Mart, Bakery Shop, Gift Shop, Fruit and Flower Shop, Beauty Salon, Book Shop, Bank, and ATM Center. Operating Services Facilities focus on 2nd floor, for 3rd and 4th Floor provide 250 beds for inpatients. Omni has Auditorium with Teleconference facilities which can accommodate around 500 standing people, is used for seminars, events, and sometime for showing live surgery on 5th floor. Meanwhile Omni Healthcare Service Centers are all around the floor.

Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera is best known as a referral hospital from other hospitals in Jakarta and throughout Indonesia for The Healthcare Centers such as Neurosciences and Back Pain Center, Urology Center, Orthopaedic Center,Trauma Center, Obstetric and Gynaecology Center, Pediatric Center, Eye Center, Skin and Beauty Center, Medical Check Up.

In 2007, Omni International Hospital has provided Newest MSCT (Real) 64 Slices and MRI 1,5 Tesla which is the first hospital in Southeast Asia that having these modern technologies.

This newest MSCT (Real) 64 Slices is able to diagnosis heart soft plaque with high detail while MRI 1,5 Tesla is the slimmest and fastest among their level.

Beside those equipment, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera is also supported by others high-tech equipment such as IOM (Intra Operative Monitoring) which act as alarm and navigator that guarantee the examination result of head, spine, or knee is accurate; Newest Microscope with Carl Zeiss German Lens, Pentero for one of the operating equipment which has ability to memorize 3000 doctors with high and accurate resolution; CUSA is specialized for shatter Tumor without ruin cell around tumor ; TUNA (Trans Urethral Needle Ablation) for curing Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia without operation; ESWL (Extracorporeal Shock Wave Lithotripsy) uses shock waves to break a kidney stone into small pieces that can more easily travel through the urinary tract and pass from the body without operation; and other medical equipment supported.

Beside supported by updated High-tech equipment every year, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera is also give the comfort and cozy pleasure as a five stars hotel start from entering the lobby. Medical Services is supported by experience and professional staff and International certified Doctor, in where Omni always gives training to update human resources knowledge and skill. With Fully supported facilities, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera also care with patient mental, so Omni built Healing Garden with curing concept and Omni supports Global Warming by planting many trees around hospital.

For Corporate Social Responsible activities, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera is always active participate in any kind of public healthcare service, like conducting charity event by giving free consultation and 1000 fake legs for poor people cooperation with MetroTV (Indonesian News TV). For Public Health Education, Omni International Hospital-Alam Sutera affiliated with Media Indonesia (Indonesian Newspaper) organize social education about the danger of Drugs and other social activities.
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 21:07

snigger
Posted by: viperaberushitam

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 21:15

Quoting: KuKuKaChu
snigger



So we will know where to find you whenever your health is failing or you need a fake leg or 2........
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 23:58

"it is a very strategies places" is about as far as I got. And that was in the second line. And I had to make it past "has officially operated on April 30" in the first.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 06 Jun 09 23:59

English Matters! Even more than depriving a mother from her breastfeeding child.
Posted by: Ririn

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 07 Jun 09 00:03

I sickened by this. You bule are correct when you criticise what they say about politicks in this nation. I think the internet is good for changing way people think and bring us as one. It is not about nation but about what is good and bad. I want say more but my english (enrrrissh LOL) not good.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 07 Jun 09 00:05

You did good.
Posted by: Ririn

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 07 Jun 09 00:07

Thank you. You know what I mean?? But you can no have house here. Haha.
Posted by: Piss Salon

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 07 Jun 09 00:09

If it is in Jakarta or various other unsustainable coastal areas it'll be underwater in about 10 years anyway. And I'm not talking about the current two weeks of the year. Permanently.
Posted by: Vulgarian

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 07 Jun 09 00:51

Only a wanker would buy a house here.

/me is a wanker
Posted by: Marmalade

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 08 Jun 09 22:02

That was evident pre-residence purchase.
Posted by: Ahphui

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 19 Jun 09 13:47

Here is Batam, we have a similar hospital that started a few years ago. Expensive, finished like a 5 star hotel and only motivated by money. A couple of years ago I had to help an English tourist who got mugged, lost all his credit cards and cash and had a heart attack. They way the greedy Chinese accounts staff treated him was a disgrace; they could not give a damn about the poor person's condition - only how to get the $$$$ out of him.
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Jailed for complaining about hospital service - 19 Jun 09 14:17

this is typical treatment of patients at nearly all hospitals in indonesia. not at all limited to chinese-owned places.

perhaps some of us here have been spoiled by the free medical systems of most Western countries, where the government acts as a welfare backstop.

well, there aint no such backstop here, and certainly not for foreigners.