Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta

Posted by: Magpie

Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 05:30

More than 10,000 people have taken part in an anti-pornography rally in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta.
They were supporting a bill before parliament which would include a ban on public kissing and erotic dancing.

The bill would make organising erotic dancing punishable by up to 10 years in prison and public kissing on the mouth punishable by five years or a fine.

The recent launch of an Indonesian version of Playboy sparked protests, forcing the magazine's suspension.

Critics of the anti-pornography bill say it would curtail artistic freedom and violate women's rights. Anyone performing dances deemed erotic could also be punished by up to five years in prison.

Sex industry

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country, although most people's interpretation of the faith is generally seen as tolerant.

Indonesian politicians have been considering a draft law on pornography for the past two years, correspondents say, but lawmakers have now publicly invited input on the issue from lobby groups.

Supporters of the hardline Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) and Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia were amongst those who marched on the parliament building.

Women and children joined the protesters, many of whom held banners reading "Pornography can destroy nation's morality" and "Indonesia should be civilised".

"We think the anti-pornography bill is a good weapon to curb the growth of the sex industry in Indonesia, which is thriving in Jakarta and many other cities," Mukhsin, a 27-year-old protester, told the AFP news agency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5001786.stm
Posted by: D'ruby

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 07:24

Hm, hm, I bet they get paid for this rally.
Posted by: Magpie

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 07:34

It worries me, because of the way I am, I always kiss the wife on the lips when I meet her, and leave her. That's just the way I am. Am I going to get arrested for greeting my wife in the same way I always have? Will I have to take into a private place just to be who I want to be? Ruby, who do you think is behind making sure this protest was successful??
Posted by: D'ruby

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 07:42

As PB said, those arabs mad
Posted by: Dilli

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 08:28

I saw the start of it yesterday, looked pretty well Indo organised, by that I mean there was no organisation and a total mess. Busses and transport to the rally was paid for by the mosques. I would have thought it would have been better to pay the money to help the poor!
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 08:52

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Originally posted by Magpie:
It worries me, because of the way I am, I always kiss the wife on the lips when I meet her, and leave her. That's just the way I am. Am I going to get arrested for greeting my wife in the same way I always have?
yes, that's basically it. you'll be arrested for kissing your spouse/plaything in public if this law gets through. at this moment, however, the sleazebags in the parliament are starting to back away from their previous support.
Posted by: Magpie

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 09:28

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Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
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Originally posted by Magpie:
It worries me, because of the way I am, I always kiss the wife on the lips when I meet her, and leave her. That's just the way I am. Am I going to get arrested for greeting my wife in the same way I always have?
yes, that's basically it. you'll be arrested for kissing your spouse/plaything in public if this law gets through. at this moment, however, the sleazebags in the parliament are starting to back away from their previous support.
That's good to hear, honestly, 5 years in jail for a kiss. I remember the furore that was created last year when that girl with a jilibab kissed the soldier in Aceh. Last thing I heard was that they were going to try and get them married asap, all because somebody took a picture of her showing that she was a real human being, and was happy to see somebody.
Posted by: rsigirl

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 11:33

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Originally posted by Magpie:
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Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
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Originally posted by Magpie:
It worries me, because of the way I am, I always kiss the wife on the lips when I meet her, and leave her. That's just the way I am. Am I going to get arrested for greeting my wife in the same way I always have?
yes, that's basically it. you'll be arrested for kissing your spouse/plaything in public if this law gets through. at this moment, however, the sleazebags in the parliament are starting to back away from their previous support.
That's good to hear, honestly, 5 years in jail for a kiss. I remember the furore that was created last year when that girl with a jilibab kissed the soldier in Aceh. Last thing I heard was that they were going to try and get them married asap, all because somebody took a picture of her showing that she was a real human being, and was happy to see somebody.
Well, It's really so pity if we must got in jail because of we kiss someone we love. Hi.... I,m a newbie. this theme is interesting me, it's can help me to know better about this antipornography.
Posted by: Patung

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 12:54

Every time I try to kiss my wife in public she manages to fend me off so I shouldn't be in any danger there. Or maybe attempted kissing in public should also be a crime.
Posted by: juminten

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 13:06

I will kiss magpie when I visit Jakarta soon! so that I can be his istri kedua ASAP! :p (in jail?)
Posted by: Magpie

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 13:20

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Originally posted by wallet-digga':
I will kiss magpie when I visit Jakarta soon! so that I can be his istri kedua ASAP! :p (in jail?)
ah the images you create in my head sexy. Where exactly will you kiss me!! laugh
Posted by: Macan Tutul

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 22 May 06 14:14

This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
Posted by: rsigirl

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 10:18

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Originally posted by Macan Tutul:
This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
I am agree with u, pornography is really bad too anyway. So, with this case of antipornography, I think what is the most important thing is the content of the regulation it self. cool
Posted by: Magpie

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 10:37

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Originally posted by rsigirl:
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Originally posted by Macan Tutul:
This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
I am agree with u, pornography is really bad too anyway. So, with this case of antipornography, I think what is the most important thing is the content of the regulation it self. cool
That's a shame, because the people pushing the regulations are restricting your rights, you education, your worldliness.
Posted by: v8dave

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 19:00

I am sorry, but what has kissing got to do with pornography???

I read somewhere that these people think that kissing on the street will lead to some kind of sexual activity.. Forgive me for saying, but I have seen loads of people hugging and kissing on the streets in other parts of the world and here and never seen anyone start having sex!!! (if anyone says they have, I bet it was not in open public places)

Pornography is about sexually explicit images, be it still or moving and maybe yes, this should be controlled because of beliefs or religion, but don't stop people being affectionate to each other just because your own beliefs or religion prevent you doing it. Let everyone be the way they want, not what you want!!! Just because someone does something you don't do, this don't make them a bad person. Lets all live together and be happy instead of moaning the hell about each other!! Human nature I know, but we gotta change if we want to try and live together with each other over the years to come!!
Posted by: Dominator

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 19:04

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Originally posted by v8dave:
I am sorry, but what has kissing got to do with pornography???

OK V8, which is it, either you have not lived here long (2 weeks) or you were born last night or you are Ela's brother
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 19:13

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Originally posted by patung:
Every time I try to kiss my wife in public she manages to fend me off so I shouldn't be in any danger there. Or maybe attempted kissing in public should also be a crime.
asians generally would never kiss in public. it's just not the style. but i doubt there would be many indonesians who would support a legislated ban on non-sexual public displays of affection.

i saw a spanduk today on jalan sudirman, put up by islamists, that proclaimed that 80% of indonesians opposed pornography. fuck knows where they got that statistic from! what indonesian in their right mind anyway would admit to being "pro" pornography??!
Posted by: Polar Bear

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 23 May 06 21:29

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Originally posted by patung:
Every time I try to kiss my wife in public she manages to fend me off so I shouldn't be in any danger there. Or maybe attempted kissing in public should also be a crime.
I agree. every time I kiss her she drags me into a dark alley smile smile smile
Posted by: v8dave

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 11:11

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Originally posted by Dominator:
OK V8, which is it, either you have not lived here long (2 weeks) or you were born last night or you are Ela's brother
Been here for nearly 11 months now and coming back and forth before that for 2 years so I am not new.. Also not born last night but many moons ago and who is Ela?? smile
Posted by: KuKuKaChuModerator

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 11:18

who is ela? *everybody* knows ela, in every sense, including the biblical smile

ela is a very, very noisy girl who sometimes needs to remember her manners, but she's nice anyway wink
Posted by: Macan Tutul

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 11:44

Bhineka Tunggal Ika (Indonesian slogan for united nation) seems had deep meaning more than what to expect, it recognize ethnic heterogeneities, culture, religion and racial but it strives for union and politic commitment. Which sometimes happen, the ethnic unanimity and culture variety shall being homogeny just for union and unity in the meanwhile politic of this nation has been making up with disaster because there is no unity in a politic commitment and politic wishes. And maybe not only for kiss, me ...if I'm wearing my traditional clothes (Javanese) will go to jail!!!Some of the Javanese also have arts and cultural shows where the costumes are not appropriate under Muslims guidelines.
Posted by: juminten

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 13:10

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Originally posted by rsigirl:
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Originally posted by Macan Tutul:
This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
I am agree with u, pornography is really bad too anyway. So, with this case of antipornography, I think what is the most important thing is the content of the regulation it self. cool
pornography is hawt! not bad! especially if they put hot pics of sexy dudes and sexy duddetes! smile
Posted by: Dilli

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 13:23

You are talikng about eroticism, real porn does not easily entertain. Let me assure you, I have seen enough degrading porn offshore to know that it is most definately not "hawt"
Posted by: Macan Tutul

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 13:24

Yes pornography it's ok and it's common, and relation to this anti-porn bill, this bill so ridicolous,it seems, one force the others, c'mon Indonesia is a pluralistic country come from people of certain ethnic groups or cultural background various provinces and islands within the archipelago as it imposes monolithic values on multicultural Indonesia.
Posted by: rsigirl

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 15:11

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Originally posted by Magpie:
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Originally posted by rsigirl:
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Originally posted by Macan Tutul:
This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
I am agree with u, pornography is really bad too anyway. So, with this case of antipornography, I think what is the most important thing is the content of the regulation it self. cool
That's a shame, because the people pushing the regulations are restricting your rights, you education, your worldliness.
iT'S HALF CORRECT.By the fact in this country, some regulation is come from the customs of the people...So... I think it's depend to whom it concern...who is made...who is use.... (well sorry if my English not good enough, still learning... it's that ok?? Cause I'm a newbie here. smile
Posted by: klicker

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 15:47

Appreciated for those anti pornography therefore to tarnish a bad imaged for westerner infueluenced life styles for drug trafficking and making indonesian people doesn't look like cheap a sex object in tourisme when you looking back to the middle eastern those westerner had to follow their traditions custom even in woman and man , which for them unusual wearing and never seen daily westerner life style. i lived in daily western world life style but never follow their tradition , so badly disgusting, does not follow shariah islam , but i had to follow the river.
Posted by: Jokie Jokie Girl

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 18:52

well, whatever...actually the pornographic was that people's eyes that saw.
I think the pornographic was not from clothes of a woman but the thoughts of the person who always had negative thinks...
Posted by: Polar Bear

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 24 May 06 18:59

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Originally posted by rsigirl:
[QUOTE](well sorry if my English not good enough, still learning... it's that ok?? Cause I'm a newbie here. smile
Your English is fine, no problems at all.
Posted by: Magpie

Re: Anti-pornography rally in Jakarta - 25 May 06 04:30

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Originally posted by Magpie:
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Originally posted by rsigirl:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Macan Tutul:
<strong> This rally anti pornography just like value of accusing each other, be polarizations each other in a religion sentiment, ethnics and big gap between rich and poor itís so full with politics content which so easy to damage the glue for the union. Point is if we, each of different wants to have a modest to learn, to repent and not accusing each other and donít want to be polarization for the glory of self ego so this is extra condition from crisis as a civilities of culture process. Next, each of us gives contributions along with the functional value to make our prosperity together.
I am agree with u, pornography is really bad too anyway. So, with this case of antipornography, I think what is the most important thing is the content of the regulation it self. cool
That's a shame, because the people pushing the regulations are restricting your rights, you education, your worldliness.
iT'S HALF CORRECT.By the fact in this country, some regulation is come from the customs of the people...So... I think it's depend to whom it concern...who is made...who is use.... (well sorry if my English not good enough, still learning... it's that ok?? Cause I'm a newbie here. smile </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was referring to the bill itself, not porno. I dont really care about porn, but this is just another example of how indonesians have decisions taken away from them, without ever having the chance to decide if they agree or not....read that "statistic" about how many indonesians are against pron. There are lies, damn lies, statistics and then propoganda