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#98136 - 10 Apr 09 18:12 possible coalitions
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Assuming the quick count averages reflect actual seats parties later obtain in parliament (they won't), below are some possible coalitions that might be formed.

The "Pragmatic Reformist" coalition seems the most likely (53%). However, worryingly, the Old Guard is still able to muster a very strong 46%.

PartyQuick
Count
Av.
Old
Guard
Coalition
Islamic
Alliance
"Reformist""Pragmatic
Reformist"
Military
Islamist
Demokrat20.4%  
*
*
Golkar14.5%
*
  
*
*
PDIP14.2%
*
   
PKS7.6% 
*
*
*
*
PAN5.6% 
*
*
*
*
PPP5.3%
*
*
  
*
PKB5.2% 
*
*
*
*
Gerindra4.9%
*
   
*
Hanura3.5%
*
   
*
PBB1.8%
*
*
  
*
PKNU1.6%    
PKPB1.5%    
PDS1.3%
*
   
PBR1.2%
*
   
PPRN1.0%    
PDP0.9%    
PKPI0.8%    
PPPI0.7% 
*
  
*
Barnas0.7%
*
   
*
PDK0.6%
*
   
PPD0.6%    
Patriot0.6%
*
   
*
PNBK0.5%
*
   
PKedaulatan0.4%
*
   
*
PMB0.4%    
PKDI0.4%
*
   
PPI0.4%    
PakarPangan0.4%
*
   
Pelopor0.3%
*
   
*
PNIMarhaen0.3%    
PIS0.3%    
PIB0.3%    
PPDI0.3%
*
   
PartaiBuruh0.3%
*
   
PartaiMerdeka0.2%
*
   
*
PSI0.2% 
*
  
*
PPNUI0.2% 
*
  
*
  51.3%26.5%38.8%53.4%51.7%
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#98137 - 10 Apr 09 20:02 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Beat me to it, though my table contains PBM. I like that Golkar is both "old guard coalition" and "pragmatic reformist", while PDIP (because Mega hates SBY) is just old guard coalition. My table has a column headed 'Evil'.

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#98138 - 10 Apr 09 20:06 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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indeed. i've personally never considered megawati or PDIP reformist. they are very much part of the old world.

just on the TV news: megawati is in a meeting with wiranto. apparently talking coalitions and election "cheating". Looks like the "Old Guard Coalition" (aka "Evil") have been working their spreadsheets too.

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#98139 - 10 Apr 09 20:25 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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one disturbing possibility that i forgot to include was a Miliary-Islam nexus:

Golkar
PKS
PAN
PPP
PKB
Gerindra
Hanura
PBB
PPPI
Barnas
Patriot
PKedaulatan
Pelopor
PartaiMerdeka
PSI
PPNUI

together they could muster nearly 52%!

remember is was a military-islam alliance that brought Soeharto and the New Order to power, and led to the pogrom against "communists" 1965-68.

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#98140 - 10 Apr 09 23:42 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Gerindra and Hanura? I dont think it will be possible.

The only common things among Partai Islam is polygamy. They have just learn that polygamy beat them so hard in april 9. There's no communist issue too.

Gosh, I hate to think that Demokrat may have coalition with PKS.
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#98142 - 11 Apr 09 05:25 Re: possible coalitions [Re: luludanlili]
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Yes, while Mega and Wiranto and others can discuss coalitions now - anything could change (except PDIP as an opposition party) after the presidential election, when SBY starts offering cabinet posts.

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#98144 - 11 Apr 09 09:09 Re: possible coalitions [Re: luludanlili]
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Quoting: luludanlili
Gerindra and Hanura? I dont think it will be possible.

why not? they have a lot in common, including a common constitutency.

Quoting: luludanlili
The only common things among Partai Islam is polygamy. They have just learn that polygamy beat them so hard in april 9. There's no communist issue too.

polygamy in this election was completely irrelevant, save for those lonely foreign-funded NGOs, led by Western-educated sycophants or Western wanna-be's. the islamic parties are dying simply because people don't believe that crap any more. many Indonesians have started to grow up.

Quoting: luludanlili
Gosh, I hate to think that Demokrat may have coalition with PKS.

in coalition politics, you often have to do deals with the devil. a Demokrat-PKS alliance is more than just a possiblity; i'd say it was a probability.
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#98145 - 11 Apr 09 09:13 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Quoting: kenyeung
Yes, while Mega and Wiranto and others can discuss coalitions now - anything could change (except PDIP as an opposition party) after the presidential election, when SBY starts offering cabinet posts.

one problem all the non-SBY coalitions have is the lack of a credible, electable president.

i feel PDIP will remain an opposition party until such time as Mega becomes president. that, of course, will never happen again.
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#98161 - 11 Apr 09 13:46 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
Quoting: luludanlili
Gerindra and Hanura? I dont think it will be possible.

why not? they have a lot in common, including a common constituency.


They hate each other.
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#98162 - 11 Apr 09 13:47 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Quoting: kenyeung
Beat me to it, though my table contains PBM. I like that Golkar is both "old guard coalition" and "pragmatic reformist", while PDIP (because Mega hates SBY) is just old guard coalition. My table has a column headed 'Evil'.


Let us see it then.
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#98165 - 11 Apr 09 14:53 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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Soon; be done as soon as I finish the GRSB spoof. Actually awaiting more of the vote count from KPU.

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#98259 - 13 Apr 09 08:34 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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Prabowo and Wiranto hate each other. so why are they meeting today at the Hanura office? and why is Prabowo sucking up?


Quoting: detik.com
Prabowo akan Temui Wiranto
Didit Tri Kertapati - detikPemilu

Jakarta - Bakal calon presiden dari Partai Gerindra Prabowo Subianto merencanakan bertemu dengan seniornya di militer, Wiranto. Menurut Prabowo, pertemuan tersebut hanya sebatas silaturahmi saja.

"Saya akan datang ke beliau karena beliau senior saya. Agendanya membicarakan perkembangan bangsa dan silaturahmi," kata Prabowo usai pertemuan Forum Lintas Partai di Ruang Board Room Bimasena, Jl Dharmawangsa, Jakarta Selatan, Minggu (12/4/2009).

Namun menurut Prabowo, tidak tertutup kemungkinan pertemuan tersebut berujung pada pembicaraan mengenai mengenai rencana koalisi antara kedua parpol tersebut. "Bisa-bisa saja," akunya disertai tawa.

Pertemuan Prabowo dengan Wiranto direncanakan dilakukan di kantor DPP Hanura, Jl Diponegoro, Jakarta Pusat. Belum diketahui secara pasti pukul berapa kedua mantan petinggi militer tersebut akan bertemu.

( ddt / sho )
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#98289 - 13 Apr 09 15:37 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Doesn't change the fact that they hate each otherr.
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#98294 - 13 Apr 09 17:45 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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Sore Losers Wiranto & Prabowo End Cold War
Hatchet Not Buried but Aimed at SBY


Former military chief Wiranto failed to win the 2004 presidential election (when he was the presidential candidate of Golkar). Rather than concede defeat gracefully, he challenged the result in court, but to no avail.

This time around in 2009, Wiranto has his own political party, Hanura, which looks to have won only about 3.6% in last week's general election, according to the preliminary vote count. This poor performance means Wiranto will have trouble running for the presidency, unless he can form a coalition of parties to support his nomination.

Politics makes strange bedfellows. After more than a decade of acrimonious rivalry, Wiranto today met with his old foe Prabowo Subianto under friendlier circumstances. The two clashed in 1998 when dictator Suharto was forced to resign. Precisely what happened behind the scenes in those days remains shrouded in mystery. Some claim that Prabowo (then chief of the Army's Strategic Reserve Command - Kostrad) masterminded mass riots and rapes in Jakarta in May 1998 with the expectation that Suharto would declare martial law and hang on to power (and appoint Prabowo military commander), but Wiranto saved the day and oversaw the resignation of Suharto and his replacement by B.J. Habibie. Another version of events is that the political elite and senior generals decided Suharto's days were numbered. Thus Wiranto allowed/encouraged mass riots to take place in order to create a situation that would hasten Suharto's resignation and thereby save Indonesia from further social, political and economic chaos. Or that could all be nonsense. What did happen is that Prabowo mobilized troops in Jakarta without informing Wiranto. Riots and rapes happened, the military and political elite ceased supporting Suharto. When Habibie took power, Prabowo demanded to be made Army chief - and there were fears he may attempt a coup as he was still mobilizing troops. Habibie responded by ordering Wiranto to immediately remove Prabowo from his position as Kostrad chief. Later that year Prabowo was dismissed from the military for ordering the abduction of pro-democracy activists (13 of whom never reappeared, presumed murdered). Prabowo went into a sort-of exile in Jordan, managing some of his billionaire brother's Middle East business interests.

Prabowo and Wiranto now seem to have put the past behind them. Today they announced that Hanura, Gerindra and 23 other parties would form a joint secretariat to investigate 'systematic' violations in last week's general election (with the aim of challenging the result and then the legality of July's presidential election if they don't get a re-count or a re-vote). In other words, they are bad losers, hungry for power after investing millions of dollars in attempts to win support. Prabowo went as far saying this year's general election was "the worst" in the nation's history - as if the stage-managed elections dominated by Golkar under Suharto were better.

Wiranto would not rule out a coalition between Hanura and Gerindra. "Hanura and Gerindra fight for the same political aims, only with different vehicles. So don't be surprised if we meet to unite our spirit and strength," he said.

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#98295 - 13 Apr 09 18:05 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Who wrote the above?
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#98296 - 13 Apr 09 18:16 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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Wilfred Saddlebags. Pay no heed to his ill-informed twaddle, as he is an alcoholic, a plagiarist and very lazy. And he has chlamydia.

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#98300 - 13 Apr 09 19:32 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Hanura, Gerindra and 23 other parties would form a joint secretariat to investigate 'systematic' violations in last week's general election of human rights committed by both party leaders.


Wiranto's pointing finger on 20 foot high billboards has been giving me nightmares...
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#98303 - 13 Apr 09 19:59 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Any claims that Wiranto and Prabowo weren't on speaking terms for the past 11 years would seem to be horsefeathers, as evidenced by this photo from a Golkar convention in 2004:


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#98307 - 13 Apr 09 20:10 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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"So anyway I pointed my gun at his Jaffas like so and he told me where his Fretilin buddies were hiding. I shot his nuts off anyway though..."


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#98308 - 13 Apr 09 20:11 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Meanwhile, Gerindra is considering getting Megawati's daughter Puan to be Prabowo's running mate, while Mega would get a face-saving 'mother of the nation' role/title.

Quoting: detikcom
Gerindra rancang Prabowo-Puan, Mega jadi ibu bangsa

Jakarta - Partai Gerindra mulai membidik pilpres. Pasangan calon pun sudah disiapkan. Yang paling utama koalisi dengan PDIP, dengan mengusung Prabowo Subianto-Puan Maharani. Megawati diminta menjadi ibu bangsa.

"Sesuai rapim Prabowo menjadi presiden, itu yang paling baik. Tapi situasinya bisa lain, salah satu opsinya Puan sebagai wakil," kata Ketua Umum Gerindra Suhardi usai bertemu Partai Hanura, di DPP Hanura, Jl Diponegoro, Jakarta, Senin (13/4/2009).

Bagaimana dengan posisi Megawati? "Kalau Megawati bisa menjadi ibu bangsa. Bisa menjadi seperti Lee Kuan Yuew sebagai king decision maker," tambah Suhardi.

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#98310 - 13 Apr 09 20:18 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Bagaimana dengan posisi Megawati? "Kalau Megawati bisa menjadi ibu bangsa. Bisa menjadi seperti Lee Kuan Yuew sebagai king decision maker," tambah Suhardi.


Jesus, I don't know about LKY but one other comparison does spring to mind...



Suck that silver spoon baby.

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#98321 - 13 Apr 09 23:15 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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One thing that did make me think was, after the election results was the military aircraft that flew over my house not once but several times... it was very very frightening, thunder and lightning 0 gallilaio, gallillio...
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#98667 - 20 Apr 09 22:02 Re: possible coalitions [Re: captain Pugwash]
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Indonesian parties eye post-election coalitions

By Ed Davies

JAKARTA, April 10 - Indonesia's political parties are eyeing coalition partners ahead of a presidential election on July 8 after President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's Democrat Party took an early lead in Thursday's parliamentary poll.

The Democrat Party won about a fifth of the vote, quick count and early official results showed, ahead of former President Megawati Sukarnoputri's PDI-P and Vice President Jusuf Kalla's Golkar Party, both of which won about 14 percent.

While Yudhoyono remains favourite to win a second term, he will probably have to hand out key ministerial posts to allies, dictating the pace of further reform of the economy.

Potential allies or kingmakers include Islamist parties such as the Prosperous Justice Party with 8 percent, and the nationalist party of ex-general Prabowo Subianto, with 4.5 percent. (Click here for details on party polices [ID:nSP487161])

Here are some possible coalition scenarios, in order of the most likely based on the results so far.

DEMOCRATS FORM ALLIANCE WITH GOLKAR, ISLAMIC PARTIES
Expect business as usual, with fairly market-friendly policies but slow progress with institutional reform.

If Yudhoyono picks Golkar as his main ally, he may either choose Kalla as his vice president again, or could opt for another Golkar politician such as its former chairman Akbar Tandjung or the Sultan of Yogyakarta, Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono X. Golkar was the long-time political vehicle for Suharto, the country's late autocratic ruler.

An alliance with Golkar would make it difficult to overhaul the bloated civil service -- a Golkar stronghold -- or the judiciary and police, areas which have been singled out as needing reform if Indonesia is to attract more investment.

Of those three candidates, the sultan is the most popular and has a reputation for being against corruption.

DEMOCRATS ALLY WITH PKS, OTHER ISLAMIC PARTIES
The PKS, like Yudhoyono's Democrats, have a tough anti-graft stance and have emphasised the need to clean up the bureaucracy. This would allow Yudhoyono a freer hand to fight graft and overhaul the civil service.

Yudhoyono could then either pick his respected finance minister, Sri Mulyani Indrawati, a reform-obsessed technocrat as vice president, or go for former PKS president Hidayat Nurwahid as his running mate.

But a PKS alliance could also lead to more sharia-style laws or policies such as a controversial anti-pornography law passed last year, further alienating secular supporters and religious minorities.

A GOLKAR PDI-P ALLIANCE
A potentially powerful bloc, representing about 30 percent of the votes, that could field a presidential candidate against Yudhoyono in July -- although with both Megawati and Kalla eyeing the presidency, agreeing on a candidate could prove tricky.

Neither PDI-P nor Golkar has much appetite for reform or attacking vested interests, so if this combination won, expect a negative reaction from the markets and investors. Even as an opposition bloc it could hinder reform efforts.

A PDI-P GERINDRA ALLIANCE
Megawati could team up with ex-general Prabowo Subianto's Gerindra Party, which shares some of her nationalist views such as favouring domestic over foreign investment.

Prabowo, who was married to one of Suharto's daughters, has presidential ambitions of his own, raising the question of who would take the top post and who would be deputy. His human rights record and Suharto family links make him a potential liability.

This combination would also be unpopular with markets.

GERINDRA FORMS ALLIANCE WITH SEVERAL SMALL PARTIES
This coalition appears a long-shot but Prabowo has invested time and money in raising his profile and cultivating good relations with a range of parties. He is well-funded, thanks to his tycoon brother, Hashim Djojohadikusumo, and would represent a step back to the Suharto era.

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#99260 - 28 Apr 09 23:47 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Golkar and PDI-P to form a 'big coalition'
The Jakarta Post ,
Jakarta | Tue, 04/28/2009 9:38 PM | National

Secretary-generals from Golkar Party and Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) have agreed to form a “big coalition” involving six major parties in a bid to challenge President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s Democratic Party (PD).

Golkar’s secretary-general Sumarsono and PDI-P’s secretary-general Pramono Anung discussed the coalition plan Tuesday in Hotel Nikko, Jakarta , and came up with two political strategies.

“Our meeting today concluded that we would set up a ‘big coalition’ which will include Golkar Party, PDI-P, the Great Indonesia Movement (Gerindra), the Peoples’ Conscience Party (Hanura), the United Development Party (PPP), and the National Mandate Party (PAN),” Sumarsono said.

“We will also facilitate a meeting among the party chairmen to discuss the coalition plan as well as deciding who will be the candidate for president and vice president,” he added.

He said that the decision to name the candidate for the president and vice president would be in the hands of the party chairmen.

“Our job is to find a strategy to strengthen the government but the decision makers are the chairmen,” he said. (fmb)

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#99261 - 29 Apr 09 00:01 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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Obvious strategy, really, for parties with no real ideology to speak of.
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#99262 - 29 Apr 09 00:35 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Polisi Cepek]
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I think PDI-P is assuming a little too much if they think Golkar (without JK), PAN and PPP will flick over to the likely losing side without first tearing themselves apart.
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#99328 - 29 Apr 09 19:42 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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These cunts don't seem to have grasped the fact that the president is now directly elected by the people. They will choose SBY, simple. It doesn't matter what coalitions and devious little schemes they hatch. Once Yudhoyono is elected Kalla will be quickly toppled as Golkar leader and the other parties will be begging the Prez for a slice of the pie. End of fucking story.


Edited by Roy's Hair (29 Apr 09 19:49)
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#99330 - 29 Apr 09 20:43 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Yep
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#99338 - 30 Apr 09 00:36 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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These cunts don't seem to have grasped the fact that the president is now directly elected by the people. They will choose SBY, simple. It doesn't matter what coalitions and devious little schemes they hatch. Once Yudhoyono is elected Kalla will be quickly toppled as Golkar leader and the other parties will be begging the Prez for a slice of the pie. End of fucking story.


Most accurate & satisfying punditry so far.
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#99350 - 30 Apr 09 07:00 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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“Our meeting today concluded that we would set up a ‘big coalition’ which will include Golkar Party, PDI-P, the Great Indonesia Movement (Gerindra), the Peoples’ Conscience Party (Hanura), the United Development Party (PPP), and the National Mandate Party (PAN),” Sumarsono said.


everytime I hear the names given to politcal parties in Indonesia I think of Life of Brian. Bunch of splitters the lot of em! Pigs nipple anyone?
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#99394 - 30 Apr 09 19:42 Re: possible coalitions [Re: chewwyUK]
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Big coalition but who'll be the candidate ya see? A candidate from any one party is not really likely to be voted for by supporters of the other parties in the coalition, they're surely just as likely to vote for SBY. Kalla's a puffed up little twat if he things he could ever be prez, big mistake. Golkar have dipped below 20 percent for the first time and are now on the skids: just another party.
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#99489 - 02 May 09 09:31 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Kalla hails Wiranto as running mate
Dicky Christanto , The Jakarta Post
Fri, 05/01/2009 8:08 PM | National

Golkar Party Chairman Jusuf Kalla and Chairman of the People's Conscious Party (Hanura) have finally broke the silence at the political stage by announcing their pairing in the upcoming presidential election.

"We do realize that the upcoming administration need to move faster and more effective, without any hesitation in tackling problems ahead. Thus we consider that this is the right time to go forward for the presidential election as we have the qualities required to race at the election," presidential hopeful Kalla said Friday.

Kalla said their previous backgrounds as businessman and military member respectively could be used as an added value at the next administration.

Wiranto acknowledged that his decision to join Kalla as vice presidential candidate was based on the chemistry he had felt with Kalla.

"My first consideration that drives me to say yes for this coalition is because I feel very comfortable working with Kalla … the fact that we are the first to announce a nomination for president and vice president shows that we are firm and bold. We know what we want, without hesitating,” he said.

To this date, according to the General Elections Commission (KPU)'s real count result, Golkar managed to secure the third place by garnering 14 percent of vote while Hanura managed to secure 3.8 percent of votes. So far this pair was the first pair that announced its candidacy to face the upcoming presidential election.

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#99491 - 02 May 09 09:35 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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altogether now: "Loooosssssseeerrrrrssss!!!"

my guess is that they'll get 15% of the vote.

any other takers?
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#99493 - 02 May 09 09:49 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Four Major Parties Sign Pact to Form an Opposition
The Jakarta Globe
May 2, 2009

Four major political parties on Friday signed a coalition agreement aimed at strengthening their positions in the legislature, party officials said.

The Golkar Party and the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P), the 2004 poll winners, entered a coalition that also included two upstart parties — the Great Indonesia Movement Party (Gerindra) and People’s Conscience Party (Hanura) — believed to have been among the 10 largest vote getters in the April 9 legislative elections.

The coalition also involved four smaller parties that appear likely not to gain any seats from last month’s elections.

But their self-proclaimed “jumbo coalition” agreement stipulated that the four main parties would initially only work together in the legislature at the national level, in the provinces, the districts and municipalities. “We will talk about [the presidential candidate] later. We unite first, then we will decide on the technicalities. The coalition in the legislature is an initial step to set up a government,” said Golkar chairman Jusuf Kalla after the signing at the Hanura party headquarters in Menteng, Central Jakarta.

The other signatories included PDI-P chairwoman Megawati Sukarnoputri, Gerindra founder Prabowo Subianto and Hanura chairman Wiranto.

The prospect of a coalition between the four was doubted by many who said it would be difficult for the parties to agree on a pair of candidates for the presidential and vice presidential elections on July 8.

Noticeably missing from the coalition were the United Development Party (PPP) and the National Mandate Party (PAN), which had earlier been touted as potential coalition members. Their respective chairmen, Suryadharma Ali and Sutrisno Bachir, were absent at the signing.

Suryadharma’s deputy, Chozin Chumaidy, said the PPP had not signed the agreement, as the chairman was not mandated by his party to do so. Without the PPP and PAN, the coalition is believed to account for about 38 percent of the votes in the legislative elections. That may translate to about 40 percent of the 560 seats in the House of Representatives.

Bima Arya Nugraha, of the Charta Politika Indonesia private political consultancy, said the coalition could pose a real problem for the government.

“This coalition has so much power if they become the opposition. They could be a problem for the government,” he said.

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#99494 - 02 May 09 10:48 Re: possible coalitions [Re: kenyeung]
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... and watch it fall apart once the spoils of government start being divided up after the presidential election! kalla will be out on his face, and golkar will (once again) declare: new ballgame!
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#99495 - 02 May 09 12:28 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Surely there'll a night of the long knives over at Golkar HQ when this fiasco has finished. Their hubris and arrogance has left them deservedly high and dry. Hopefully they'll be permanently diminished by this election. Fuck 'em I say, horrible bunch of criminals..
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#99497 - 02 May 09 12:37 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Fuck 'em I say, horrible bunch of criminals..


Only Golkar..?
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#99499 - 02 May 09 12:57 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Vulgarian]
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Fair point. Time for the anarcho-syndicalist commune.


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#99500 - 02 May 09 13:02 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Roy's Hair]
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#99502 - 02 May 09 14:00 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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altogether now: "Loooosssssseeerrrrrssss!!!"

my guess is that they'll get 15% of the vote.

any other takers?


Less than 15% I believe as things are sliding steadily (and satisfyingly) further south for them.
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#99507 - 02 May 09 18:31 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Sammy Jankis]
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#99526 - 03 May 09 10:32 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Marmalade]
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#99772 - 06 May 09 23:49 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Most strange.

Hatta Rajasa pays Mega a visit over "house ownership"

Dicky Christanto , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Wed, 05/06/2009 7:12 PM | National

Secretary of State Hatta Rajasa visited Wednesday the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDIP) Chairwoman Megawati Soekarnoputri over what Rajasa claimed to be state affairs.

"I am here to do a state business, it is about this house ownership. I am here to officially confirm Megawati that this house is hers ,"Rajasa, who is also a vice presidential candidate from the National Mandate Party (PAN), told journalists.

According to a regulation, every former president and vice president is entitled to a plot of land in Jakarta's premium location, such as Menteng and other similar areas. The land was given as a token of gratitude from the administration to former top state executives.

When asked about whether he had also discussed the possibility of building a coalition with Megawati, Rajasa declined to comment.
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#100004 - 11 May 09 21:09 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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why are PDIP playing "footsies" with PD all of a sudden?

and why has Mega gone silent over her presidential candidature?

is an SBY-Mega marriage in the offing?

nonetheless, detik.com are just now calling BI governor Boediono as SBY's running mate.
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#100005 - 11 May 09 23:43 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I can't believe it. That Mega's a slut.
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#100006 - 12 May 09 00:05 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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House speaker's career goes the way of his airline Adam Air -- It crashes and burns.



The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Mon, 05/11/2009 9:07 PM | National
House of Representatives Speaker Agung Laksono said on Monday that he would continue serving as a politician under the Golkar Party after several counts indicated he had failed to gain a House seat.

“I am not worried about the possibility I may not be reelected. As long as all processes comply with the procedure, I will be ready to accept what happens,” he said as quoted by Kompas.com.

Preliminary seat allocations show that the Golkar Party would not get any seats in Jakarta electoral district I, where Agung was competing.

Agung said he would continue working as a party executive should he lose his seat.

“In politics, I have to be ready either as a winner or a loser. It's a risk one must face,” he said. (ewd)
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#100059 - 13 May 09 13:46 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has field split in Indonesia poll

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Stephen Fitzpatrick, Jakarta correspondent | May 13, 2009
Article from: The Australian

SUSILO Bambang Yudhoyono has fractured the field ahead of registrations this weekend for Indonesian presidential elections in July.

Opponents and potential allies alike are floundering as they await an announcement on Friday of the affable general's running mate.

Rapidly firming speculation has his deputy being Bank Indonesia governor Boediono, a suave Australian and US-educated technocrat, who has overseen much of Indonesia's economic reform program during the five years of Mr Yudhoyono's administration.

Like an experienced fisherman toying with his catch, Mr Yudhoyono has effectively immobilised former leader - and his ex-boss - Megawati Sukarnoputri, who had hoped to run as the presidential candidate for her Indonesian Democratic Party for Struggle (PDI-P).

As recently as last week, party Secretary General Pramono Anung affirmed PDI-P's intention "to continue to fight to be able to put Megawati forward as president". But political analyst Indria Samego, from the Indonesian Institute of Sciences, declared yesterday that Ms Megawati's party had "taken the bait" in dealing with recent coalition-building advances from Mr Yudhoyono's team, and could as a result find itself abandoned by its constituents.

Visits by emissaries from Mr Yudhoyono's Democrat Party to Ms Megawati's central Jakarta home were little more than a political manoeuvre to disrupt her negotiations over a joint candidacy with the retired general Prabowo Subianto and his Greater Indonesia Movement, Dr Samego said.

Ms Megawati's house was recently dubbed by the politically savvy Jakarta newspaper Rakyat Merdeka the "command post of losers", for the number of visits by representatives from the also-rans among 38 parties that stood candidates in recent parliamentary polls.

Although many of these failed to achieve a 2.5 per cent vote threshold that would give them seats in the 560-seat legislature, they can nonetheless still join forces to cross a separate 25 per cent of national votes line required to stand a presidential candidate.

However Ms Megawati - under whom Mr Yudhoyono served as defence minister - now stands to be the biggest loser, with General Prabowo appearing to have siphoned the also-rans his way, rather than continue a deal with the daughter of Indonesia's first leader.

An agreement with enough minnows would let General Prabowo stand for president, with one of them putting up a running mate.

And with Mr Yudhoyono's Democrat Party the only group having won enough votes to stand a candidate in its own right - with the Democrats having sewn up deals with the half-dozen or so second-string parties on forming a ruling coalition in the new house - the cash-strapped PDI-P could be left in the position of not having a candidate stand at all.

Normally inclined to being something of a braggart, General Prabowo has played his cards extremely close during recent weeks, as Ms Megawati's party and the one-time ruling Golkar party each appear to disintegrate from within.

Golkar's likely presidential candidate, current Vice-President Jusuf Kalla, was expected to formally nominate yesterday along with his running-mate, People's Conscience Party retired former general Wiranto.

However, citing procedural problems, the pair failed to make an appearance at the electoral commission offices - serving only to strengthen the perception that Mr Yudhoyono's team is holding all the aces.
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#100070 - 13 May 09 20:55 Re: possible coalitions [Re: Piss Salon]
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according to detik.com, Taufiq is now in hospital with a suspected heart attack. the fat unhealthy slob had it coming, i guess.

but this could certainly change the complexion of the coalition negotiations.
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#100071 - 13 May 09 20:57 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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heart attack has been denied; it was merely "exhaustion", so they are saying ...

he was referred to as a "politisi bertumbuh subur"; which literally translates to "politician with a prosperous/fertile/luxurious body", but which is just a euphemism for "fat politician".

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#100074 - 14 May 09 01:06 Re: possible coalitions [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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If not for his crimes against the nation, he should have long ago died for his crimes against fashion.
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