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#85777 - 08 Sep 08 17:05
Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
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Pujangga Muda
Registered: 16 Apr 07
Posts: 1931
Loc: Indonesia
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Megawati Sukarnoputri met with Kim Jong-Il in 2002. Kim died the following year and has since been replaced by lookalikes, according to a "Japanese expert".
Kim Jong-Il 'died in 2003' ABC News Sept 8, 2008
He doesn't appear in public very often so it's difficult to verify but there are allegations today that North Korea's leader Kim Jong-Il has in fact been dead for five years.
A Japanese expert on North Korea is claiming that the role of the "Dear Leader" has instead been played by a group of doubles since 2003, when he says the President died of diabetes.
The word "reclusive" hardly does Kim Jong-Il justice. The 66-year-old was last seen in public on August 14, when he inspected a military unit.
He is known for dipping out of the international spotlight for months on end, especially when relations with other countries such as the US are strained.
The leader has been thought to be ill for some time but Japanese-North Korean expert Professor Toshimitsu Shigemura is proposing a far worse state.
"Already he has died. A lot of information came from Pyongyang," he told The World Today.
The proof of the North Korean leader's passing is varied and rests on the main claim that Kim Jong-Il is being played by a number of convincing imposters.
The fake Kims are said to be the wrong height and are always shadowed by one of four senior military figures.
"A Japanese TV station checked his voice print four years ago and the result was the voice was different, the former Kim Jong-Il and now Kim Jong-Il, so there are questions," Professor Shigemura said.
Kim Jong-Il's secret death is impossible to verify and other North Korean experts have called the claim silly.
Professor Shigemura is not completely certain himself but has been in contact with unnamed close friends of Kim Jong-Il.
"But they are pretty high, maybe 60 per cent or 70 per cent [sure] it's possible," he said.
"We can trust those persons so we trust, we are trusting this person with the information."
This would mean that the world, including Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao, have been negotiating with an impostor.
Kim Jong-Il has ruled the secretive Communist state since the death of his father Kim Il-Sung in 1994 but his father remains the state's eternal President beyond death.
So who pulls the strings now if Professor Shigemura's claims are correct?
"Some of the military leaders, also the party leaders, and government leaders," he said.
"Several people are conducting North Korea's government. Actually the North Korean government is guided by those people, those leaders, not only one person. Now they are collective leaderships."
The best chance to test the theory could come tomorrow when Kim Jong-Il is due to appear at a military parade celebrating 60 years since the founding of North Korea.
"He will be the double Kim Jong-Il, it will be positive," Professor Shigemura said.
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#85779 - 08 Sep 08 17:49
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: kenyeung]
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Pujangga Muda
Registered: 31 Oct 07
Posts: 1672
Loc: Somebody's watching me......
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Do you believe Mega had anything to do with his demise?
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This is one of those "Half full, Half empt..shit I just spilled the glass in my lap" observations, isn't it?
The only Faith that people really have to lose, is faith in themselves...........
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#85783 - 08 Sep 08 19:07
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: kenyeung]
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Pujangga Muda
Registered: 31 Oct 07
Posts: 1672
Loc: Somebody's watching me......
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^^^^Did she use you and abuse you? Were you a Mega Boy Toy? Who replaced you? RH, WH, Marmz or The Lamb........
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This is one of those "Half full, Half empt..shit I just spilled the glass in my lap" observations, isn't it?
The only Faith that people really have to lose, is faith in themselves...........
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#85786 - 08 Sep 08 20:10
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: kenyeung]
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Pujangga Muda
Registered: 31 Oct 07
Posts: 1672
Loc: Somebody's watching me......
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Ken, I feel your pain............
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This is one of those "Half full, Half empt..shit I just spilled the glass in my lap" observations, isn't it?
The only Faith that people really have to lose, is faith in themselves...........
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#85851 - 09 Sep 08 19:59
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: Dilli]
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Pujangga Besar
Registered: 08 Nov 06
Posts: 3703
Loc: jakarta
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Chewwy's bouffant has more lift but slightly less body to it than the glorious leader's.
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Chinese like more traditional patterns on their ring.
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#85884 - 10 Sep 08 11:54
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: Tut Tut]
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Registered: 11 Mar 08
Posts: 812
Loc: Bogor
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RH, it's 'Dear Leader'. Not Glorious Leader. God it ticks me off when someone disrespects THE man. does it make you tut tut??
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quips,gibes and irony all form part of my repartee
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#85903 - 10 Sep 08 18:54
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: witty handle]
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Pujangga Muda
Registered: 16 Apr 07
Posts: 1931
Loc: Indonesia
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So is Kim ill? Or was his absence a double-bluff?
Kim Jong-il health reports denied ITN, Wednesday, 10 September 2008, 9:45AM
Speculation about the health of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il is intensifying after he failed to appear at celebrations marking the reclusive country's 60th birthday.
Some reports suggest Mr Kim, who reportedly has chronic heart disease and diabetes, has suffered a stroke.
North Korean officials have been forced to issue denials, claiming the reports are part of a "conspiracy plot".
Senior North Korean diplomat Song Il Ho told Japan's Kyodo News that reports that the 66-year-old had fallen ill were "not true".
The agency said North Korea's deputy leader and ceremonial head of state, Kim Yong Nam, said there is "no problem" with the supreme leader.
Mr Kim, who has been rumoured to be in varying degrees of ill health for years, took over the reclusive state upon the death of his father 14 years ago in communism's first hereditary transfer of power.
He attended the parade on the 50th and 55th anniversaries and was widely expected to do so this year as well.
Since late 2002, North Korea has been locked in a stand-off with the United States over its nuclear ambitions.
The country carried out its first nuclear test in 2006, but agreed last year to disable its nuclear facilities toward their ultimate dismantlement in exchange for economic aid and political concessions.
The negotiations, however, hit a snag again recently with the two sides at odds over how to verify North Korea's accounting of its nuclear programs.
Washington has delayed its promised removal of Pyongyang from the US "terrorism" blacklist.
Kim stroke claim after he misses anniversary parade AFP, Wednesday, September 10, 2008
North Korean leader Kim Jong Il failed to appear at a massive parade marking the country's 60th anniversary yesterday, with US intelligence claiming he may have had a stroke.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency said Kim was absent from the parade of reserve military forces.
"It does appear that Kim Jong Il has had a health setback, possibly a stroke," a US intelligence official said.
The official said it appeared to have happened in "the last couple of weeks."
The 66-year-old is known to suffer from diabetes and heart problems.
Seoul's Chosun Ilbo newspaper said earlier the South Korean embassy in Beijing had received an intelligence report that Kim collapsed on August 22.
The paper, quoting an embassy source, said the intelligence came from Chinese sources and the mission was trying to verify it.
Yonhap said the parade of Worker and Peasant Red Guards was inspected by the North's titular No2 Kim Yong Nam, flanked by Jo Myong Rok, from the stage where the top leader would customarily stand.
Jo is vice chairman of the National Defense Commission, the North's highest military body, which is chaired by Kim Jong Il.
An official at South Korea's unification ministry, which handles cross- border relations, said it would be unusual if Kim had failed to appear for such an important event.
Kyodo said the parade of reserves and Pyongyang residents filled Kim Il Sung Square, which holds 100,000 people.
Sungkyunkwan University political science professor Kim Il Young said Kim's absence was unusual but it was premature to attribute it to health problems. "He has nothing to show his people, with a deadlock in nuclear disarmament talks and in normalization talks with Japan on top of food shortages.
"Or he is thinking about something unusual like a nuclear test to break the current deadlock," he said.
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#85959 - 11 Sep 08 18:32
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: Tut Tut]
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Registered: 11 Mar 08
Posts: 812
Loc: Bogor
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Why are Korean men so hot?! beautiful cocks
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#85966 - 11 Sep 08 20:09
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: witty handle]
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Pujangga Besar
Registered: 27 Jun 06
Posts: 3303
Loc: Jakpus
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Very witty.
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"They were all on the bedroom floor covered in sweat, their stiffened purple tallywhackers pointing in every direction."
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#85968 - 11 Sep 08 20:24
Re: Kim Jong-Il Died 5 Years Ago?
[Re: Piss Salon]
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Pujangga Besar
Registered: 08 Nov 06
Posts: 3703
Loc: jakarta
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...because of the sand which is there!! boom boom
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screwvenir anything that you keep (whether stolen or given to you) from someone's house after you've slept with them. Laura didn't really like doing it with Chip so much, but she did nab a copy of Time Magazine with Mick Jagger on it from his house as a screwvenir.
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