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#67822 - 09 Jan 08 18:11 Pak Harto Dead!
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sorry, i'm getting ahead of myself. he's still lingering ... but we can but hope!


[tommy-s] my father is old but not dead

[Capt. Mainwaring] hold on a minute, just how many Tommys are there?

[KuKuKaChu] sorry tommy ... i know how attached you are to dad
[KuKuKaChu] but just think of the inheritance!!

[KuKuKaChu] 7 buddhist monks have just now visited pak harto.
[KuKuKaChu] sorry, 5 monks, 2 nuns. they are praying for his recovery. bastards

[Capt. Mainwaring] nice.
[Capt. Mainwaring] why don't they just fit a complete set of new giblets, he could go on for years?

[KuKuKaChu] doctors have just issued a denial that pak harto has carked it
[KuKuKaChu] i love it when they do that

[KuKuKaChu] 101 Uses for a Dead Dictator
[KuKuKaChu] i'm still struggling with No. 1

[Capt. Mainwaring] don't be nasty

[KuKuKaChu] i'm trying to put a happy face on it, that's all

[KuKuKaChu] oh! now 100 becak drivers are praying for pak harto! they say they 'miss him'
[KuKuKaChu] they miss all those orde baru certainties, when all the trains ran on time. or at least, no-one would say a word if they were late

[KuKuKaChu] you know, i think the old bugger is dead. everybody's denying it. even SBY. so it must be true!
[KuKuKaChu] TNI are making funeral arrangements!!
[KuKuKaChu] wuhu!!
[KuKuKaChu] they want to bury him in Solo!
[KuKuKaChu] i guess they'll have to wait for him to stop breathing, first
[KuKuKaChu] not that i personally would be fussed
[KuKuKaChu] seems family, however, want him planted in karanganyar ...

[Ena] I wonder if he has passed away? Or if he will pull a fidel?how old he is now?

[KuKuKaChu] 86

[Ena] oh! still can some years left

[KuKuKaChu] we can but pray
[KuKuKaChu] that that is not the case

[KuKuKaChu] i wonder if the rakyat will storm istana cendana and ransack the place upon news of his demise?
[KuKuKaChu] wishful thinking, probably

[KuKuKaChu] looks like TNI are determined to plant him in solo
[KuKuKaChu] possibly to keep him away from the marauding mobs
[KuKuKaChu] they have coded the funeral "rencana kegiatan alpha". i wonder if they'll stage a coup at the end of the operation?
[KuKuKaChu] wishful thinking, again


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#67826 - 09 Jan 08 19:41 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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my theory is that pak harto has been dead for hours, and that operation "rencana kegiatan alpha" (alpha activation plan) is not just about how/where to bury the old fucker, but also, how to protect orde baru figures from retribution, and how to precipitate an "incident" that will justify a new military intervention.

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#67842 - 10 Jan 08 14:50 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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He's fuckin' immortal that cunt is. You'll never dispatch him off this mortal coil without a crucifix, some garlic and a sharp stake.
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#67859 - 10 Jan 08 15:24 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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He's fuckin' immortal that cunt is. You'll never dispatch him off this mortal coil without a crucifix, some garlic and a sharp stake.





A sharp steak, but I can't see how that will help.
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#67901 - 11 Jan 08 21:32 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Suharto is only slightly improved by death at this stage. Better a Nepalese-style death to the dynasty, with Tommy massacring the entire family, as well as the fawning generals/politicians, before fatally shooting himself.

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#67902 - 11 Jan 08 21:47 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: kenyeung]
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A Viking funeral in the Ciliwung river, would take years to put the old bugger out.

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#67904 - 11 Jan 08 22:27 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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#67906 - 11 Jan 08 23:02 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Oldman]
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If you gave that bastard an enema you could bury him in a matchbox.
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#67908 - 11 Jan 08 23:15 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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If you gave that bastard an enema you could bury him in a matchbox.


An afflication that affects many Jakartans RH.
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#67909 - 11 Jan 08 23:24 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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You mean General Tofu Chunks? Saw him yesterday. He's not best pleased with us lot. He also told me that he used to train with Daley Thompson.
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#67911 - 11 Jan 08 23:31 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Suharto 'suffers organ failure'

Former Indonesian leader Suharto is suffering from multiple organ failure, his medical team says.
He is losing consciousness and having "very bad breathing difficulties", the Jakarta hospital where he has been since last week said in a statement.

Family members of the 86-year-old have rushed to his bedside, where he remains in a critical condition.

Suharto took power in 1966 and ruled the archipelago with an iron fist for the following three decades.

He has been in seriously ill for some time, suffering from anaemia and low blood pressure that doctors said were caused by heart and kidney problems.

Reuters reported that Indonesian Vice-President Jusuf Kalla was at the hospital and was expected to address a news conference later.

Heart and lung specialists have also rushed to the hospital.

"I have just received urgent calls to come immediately to the hospital. His condition is deteriorating," Ismoyo, a cardiologist, told the Associated Press news agency.

Relatives at his bedside were praying and reciting verses from the Koran, family aides told AP.

Suharto has lived quietly in Jakarta since being overthrown in 1998 amid political upheaval triggered by the Asian financial crisis.

But although accused of embezzling huge sums from state funds during his three decades in power, his lawyers have always successfully pleaded that his failing health meant he should not stand trial.

Suharto has been in and out of hospital in recent years with a series of health problems, including a stroke.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7183152.stm
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#67912 - 11 Jan 08 23:35 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Magpie]
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...any moment now...
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#67914 - 11 Jan 08 23:38 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Send him my best, I'll be in the smoke end of next week and he did once offer to buy me a beer - an offer I hope still stands as my Mum has packed him a lovely hamper of organic produce, 100% veg and passed by the Beth Din.

You're right, I've seen the little chap training with Daley.



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#67915 - 11 Jan 08 23:41 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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...any moment now...


He'll see the 12th WIB.

I'd run a book but people don't honour their bets.
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#67919 - 12 Jan 08 06:58 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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linger linger linger ... some people just don't know when to go.

according to detik, certain roads in jogja-solo are under heavy guard in anticipation of the inevitable. hopefully, he is in the crepitus stage of death. just lie back and enjoy it, pak harto, you deserve it!
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#67929 - 12 Jan 08 10:02 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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He's not that bad.
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#67934 - 12 Jan 08 10:10 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Oldman]
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He's worse, but the good cap'n has hit on something...some kind of sweepstake ? (no garlic/crucifix pun intended)
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#67967 - 12 Jan 08 18:32 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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They will keep in the fridge until Thursday, defrost him ready for planting on Friday.
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#67973 - 12 Jan 08 19:56 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/soeharto-rallies-overnight/2008/01/12/1199988627104.html
smh is saying he has more or less bounced back after the case will be settled out side court?

" "We have reached a deal with Soeharto's family ... that the civil case related to the Supersemar foundation will be settled out of the court,'' Attorney General Hendarman Supanji told reporters.

A criminal case against Soeharto was abandoned in 2006 due to his persistent poor health but the civil suit, launched last year, was seeking $US1.4 billion ($1.57 billion) in damages and returned stolen assets skimmed off the foundation.

Supanji said he had met with the family of Soeharto under the orders of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. Under Indonesian law, if a defendant dies during such a civil suit, his or her family must instead defend the case.

"If we settle the case in court, it means that there's one loser and the other wins and the process will be quite long. But if we settle it outside the court, then there will be a win-win solution,'' he added.

Soeharto's allies had called earlier in the week for the case to be abandoned but they were rebuffed by the attorney general.

Soeharto has rejected allegations he and his family were sitting on a fortune of between $US15 billion ($16.77 billion) and $US35 billion ($39.13 billion).

Investigations into several other charitable foundations that Soeharto chaired have been ongoing. It was not immediately clear whether these would continue.

Yudhoyono himself was rushing back to the country today from Malaysia, where he cut short an official visit by several hours.

Soeharto's six children and many of his extended family had gathered at the hospital last night. Vice President Yusuf Kalla also visited for several hours and left without commenting to media.

In Yudhoyono's absence, Kalla would have been authorised to announce his death, according to protocol.

Soeharto presided over massive economic development in Indonesia, but his rule was marred by the corruption allegations as well as rights abuses, particularly in regions where separatist sentiment ran high such as East Timor, Aceh and Papua. "

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#67983 - 13 Jan 08 00:18 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Ena]
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Well it's nearly another day - smart money is that he has croaked it and been put with the fish-fingers until Thursday
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#67989 - 13 Jan 08 09:10 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Who else wants to die?
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#67990 - 13 Jan 08 09:20 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Oldman]
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Who else wants to die?

actually, i've just been to my doctor. he's says i'm dying. i only have 60 years left to live.
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#67993 - 13 Jan 08 09:30 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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So, you'll die at the age of 73?
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#67994 - 13 Jan 08 09:33 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Oldman]
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From today's Grauniad::

Indonesian dictator Suharto finds forgiveness on his deathbed


Lisa Murray in Jakarta
Sunday January 13, 2008
The Observer


As former Indonesian President Suharto lay dying in a Jakarta hospital last night, it seemed the nation, which he ruled with a repressive and often brutal hand for 32 years, had almost forgiven him.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono urged people to remember Suharto's achievements after cutting short an official visit to Malaysia to return home to monitor the former dictator's condition. Suharto's heart had stopped and his lungs and kidneys failed on Friday night but he was revived by a team of 40 doctors. He is still on respiratory support and has shown signs of intestinal bleeding, doctors said.

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A parade of the country's political and business elite has entertained the hundreds of reporters camped outside Pertamina Hospital in south Jakarta since Suharto was admitted a week ago. Even human rights activists have come to leave flowers for the 86-year-old.

Five army planes were put on standby to ferry Suharto's body and his family to Solo, in central Java, for the burial after news wires began reporting his rapid decline on Friday night. Vice-president Jusuf Kalla rushed to his bedside, ready to announce the inevitable.

It's hard to believe that the subject of all this attention was named and shamed by the World Bank and the UN last year, as the world's most corrupt leader. Transparency International estimates Suharto and his family stole $15-35bn of state assets.

He was also the head of the army when it oversaw the destruction of the Communist party, in which more than half a million lives were believed lost. And during his reign as president, secessionists in East Timor, Irian Jaya and Aceh were brutally repressed.

'Suharto had some mistakes in the past, but that should not prevent us from giving our gratitude,' President Yudhoyono said yesterday. 'President Suharto is a leader of this country and has made some achievements, especially in economic development.'

Many do credit Suharto with lifting Indonesia out of the economic doldrums. Supporters outside the hospital on Friday held a banner reading 'Father of Development, Indonesia will never forget you'.

Helped along by an oil boom, the economy grew consistently above 6 per cent for the three decades Suharto was in power. Living standards rose as people had greater access to roads, schools and electricity and foreign investment surged. But the good economic run came to a shuddering halt with the Asian financial crisis in 1997.

Paradoxically, almost 10 years ago to the day Suharto opened the hospital wing in which he now lies. It was one of his final acts as president, before being forced to resign amid riots and international pressure.

Suharto will be buried in the family mausoleum, just outside Solo. Preparations are already being made at the site which is surrounded by bamboo groves and sits on the hilltop reserved for the royal family. Suharto's wife is already buried there.
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#67995 - 13 Jan 08 09:36 Re: Pak Harto Dead! [Re: Roy's Hair]
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Even human rights activists have come to leave flowers for the 86-year-old.



For fuck's sake...
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