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#67123 - 27 Dec 07 19:56 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: The Prisoner]
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More war???

TWO DAYS AFTER XMAS????

JEEEESS PEOPLE......
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#67126 - 27 Dec 07 20:18 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: The Prisoner]
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Quoting: The Prisoner
Shot straight into this thread after seeing the whole religion thing, expecting to see fireworks.

Nice not to be disappointed. I don't think I even need to stick my oar in. Which is just as well, because I could really upset people if I started...


That's why oldman posted it in the first place.
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#67127 - 27 Dec 07 20:29 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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We don't have to be religious people to discuss this issue. All we need to do is to be open to others' ideas. If we agree, take them, if not, then kick them out of our mind.

If you think Jesus is God, worship him. On the other hand, if you think that Jesus is a human being just like us, then why bother to worship him?
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#67133 - 28 Dec 07 05:54 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Oldman]
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Follow the gourd people!

BTW .. nice to have to popping in for the Christmas season Mr Prisoner.
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#67135 - 28 Dec 07 07:02 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: chewwyUK]
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I blame the whole Jesus thing on the Beavers myself!

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#67138 - 28 Dec 07 07:42 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Dilli]
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ewwwww .. bloody beaver
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#67145 - 28 Dec 07 09:51 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: chewwyUK]
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Your pic is really interesting, Dilli. It opened my eyes wider. If Jesus had been God, he wouldn't have let people kill him that way.
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#67146 - 28 Dec 07 10:12 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Oldman]
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It is obvious he is not God as Phil Collins found out!

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#67147 - 28 Dec 07 10:23 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Dilli]
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I have invented a new type of "Holy Spirit"

Golden in colour because of his crackin' tan and arabic lineage,
Spring water because of his clarity of thought,
Grain because of his known love of bread,
Kept in a wooden barrel because he was nailed to a bit of wood,
40% proof because of the strength of his character...

JESUS WHISKY!

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#67157 - 28 Dec 07 12:31 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman
We don't have to be religious people to discuss this issue. All we need to do is to be open to others' ideas. If we agree, take them, if not, then kick them out of our mind.

If you think Jesus is God, worship him. On the other hand, if you think that Jesus is a human being just like us, then why bother to worship him?


How very philosophical, I'm glad your here to point that out.
Abraham
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#67158 - 28 Dec 07 12:37 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman
Your pic is really interesting, Dilli. It opened my eyes wider. If Jesus had been God, he wouldn't have let people kill him that way.


Abe, you're becoming most annoying at this time of goodwill to all men.

If God was God, why did he let the people kill him that way?

Remind me the translalation of "Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani " according to Mark?
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#67159 - 28 Dec 07 12:41 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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i'm still waiting for the punchline. hurry it up, Oldman!
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#67164 - 28 Dec 07 13:38 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
i'm still waiting for the punchline. hurry it up, Oldman!


185.125 ?
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#67165 - 28 Dec 07 14:10 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman
Today, 2007 years ago, a great figure was born. He was Jesus or Isa (Peace Be Upon Him). Millions of people are celebrating his birthday today. The question is:

Is he a God or just a human being like us?

Let’s discuss this topic objectively regardless our religions.

Thank you.


Wrong. Jeebus wasn't born in December, he was likely born in October. Anyways, I'll try my best to keep this thread serious.

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#67166 - 28 Dec 07 14:39 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Sammy Jankis]
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There is something rather worrying about your pussy.
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#67167 - 28 Dec 07 18:06 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Quoting: Oldman
Your pic is really interesting, Dilli. It opened my eyes wider. If Jesus had been God, he wouldn't have let people kill him that way.


If God was God, why did he let the people kill him that way?


Because Jesus was not God.
Anyway, nice to know you, Capt. Abraham. smile
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#67168 - 28 Dec 07 18:21 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
i'm still waiting for the punchline. hurry it up, Oldman!


Fine, let's move on ...

All of the writers of the Bible believed that Jesus was not God. The idea that Jesus is God did not become part of Christian belief until after the Bible was written, and took many centuries to become part of the faith of Christians. The idea that Jesus is God is a “new” idea.

All the Bible writers had a higher view of Jesus, but none of the writers believed that Jesus is God. The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true God, the one whom Jesus worshipped (see John 17: 3).

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#67169 - 28 Dec 07 18:22 Re: Jesus is not God. [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman
Quoting: Capt. Mainwaring
Quoting: Oldman
Your pic is really interesting, Dilli. It opened my eyes wider. If Jesus had been God, he wouldn't have let people kill him that way.


If God was God, why did he let the people kill him that way?


Because Jesus was not God.
Anyway, nice to know you, Capt. Abraham. smile


And how on earth do you know , unless of course you are the Virgin Mandy?
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#67207 - 29 Dec 07 02:20 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Oldman]
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These so called holy books???
Cute historical stories written by chauvinist cult leaders which evolve into religions.
Interesting that everything actually true has undeniable proof or has impirical evidence. Oh that's right, it's all founded on blind faith - emphasis on blind.
We teach our children about boogie men, santa claus, the tooth fairy and others; but after a certain age of reason they're told the truth about all these fantasies.
Is the light dawning yet?

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#67208 - 29 Dec 07 03:00 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: brad]
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Quoting: brad
These so called holy books???
Cute historical stories written by chauvinist cult leaders which evolve into religions.
Interesting that everything actually true has undeniable proof or has impirical evidence. Oh that's right, it's all founded on blind faith - emphasis on blind.
We teach our children about boogie men, santa claus, the tooth fairy and others; but after a certain age of reason they're told the truth about all these fantasies.
Is the light dawning yet?


run that by me one more time.
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#67230 - 29 Dec 07 14:07 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Capt. Mainwaring]
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Since there are no members worhipping Jesus, then : CASE CLOSED!
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#67231 - 29 Dec 07 14:18 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Oldman]
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Maybe in your mind the case is closed. For us in the real world, your sanity is still very much an open case... smile
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#67235 - 29 Dec 07 14:42 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Sammy Jankis]
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Ok, let me move on with my sanity ...

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God. Peter said: “God raised up his servant...” (Acts 3:26). The title servant refers to Jesus. This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…” (Acts 3:13).

Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1. So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant. The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).

If Jesus was God, his disciples should have said this clearly. They were simply teaching what they had learnt from Jesus — that Jesus was not God but, rather, God’s servant.

Enough?

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#67236 - 29 Dec 07 14:50 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman
Since there are no members worhipping Jesus, then : CASE CLOSED!


Why worship someone who is not God?

Bearing false witness and worshipping pop idols and all that.
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#67237 - 29 Dec 07 14:53 Re: Is Jesus a God or Just a Human Being? [Re: Oldman]
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Quoting: Oldman

If Jesus was God, his disciples should have said this clearly. They were simply teaching what they had learnt from Jesus — that Jesus was not God but, rather, God’s servant.

Enough?



Well at that point he wasn't was he? you bell end.


I've met a few people who thought they were God but we were inclined to ignore them at the time.
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