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#59289 - 20 Aug 07 19:23 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
riccardo Offline
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Don't worry about any of that stuff DCShogun, my gut feeling is you'll like it here and begin to get a feel for the vibe soon enough. Most of us enjoy a bit of intellectual debate IN ADDITION TO fun-loving discussions of bars, beer prices and poultry issues.

You can have it all here, depending on your mood of the day.
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#59290 - 20 Aug 07 19:25 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Registered: 09 Oct 05
Posts: 10790
Loc: Centre of the Universe
Quoting: DCShogun
I must admit that I carry around the tendancy for the same cynical assumptions about all politicians here in Indo. There's so much wrong, and I feel like Im the only one thinking of solutions. But, as I network and try to build relationships, I'm finding that it prevents me from really separating the wheat from the chaff so im trying to be more openminded. There's got a be a few politicians worth supporting either now or in the future.

i can understand such a point of view. nobody likes to be prejudged. we really should give individuals the benefit of the doubt.

nonetheless, for those of us who have perhaps lived here far too long, just looking at an indonesian politician causes an instant flashing neon "moron alert" to appear on our heads up visor.

and much the same knee-jerk response applies to the indonesian military. in my ever so humble opinion, 50% of all of indonesia's considerable problems could disappear in an instant with the disbanding of the TNI.

another 40% would disappear by dismantling the indonesian bureaucracy.


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#59293 - 20 Aug 07 19:52 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: riccardo]
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Registered: 16 Mar 07
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Quoting: riccardo
Don't worry about any of that stuff DCShogun, my gut feeling is you'll like it here and begin to get a feel for the vibe soon enough. Most of us enjoy a bit of intellectual debate IN ADDITION TO fun-loving discussions of bars, beer prices and poultry issues.

You can have it all here, depending on your mood of the day.


Ha, its not like im new to forums, guys grin of course there are ppl that have opinions about the father of my wife, but they dont bother me with them, especially in this fashion. but Mr Yeungs comments were nothing but aggressive and beligerent, and meant to be personal (WTF can i do about anything in this realm?), more than just a slam on, say, me being an American or my fat ass. i love a good ball bustin session, so dont hold back Im was poor kid born and raised by my grandma in Des Moines Iowa. Ive come a long way, but still... Hows that for ball-bustin fodder? And i really do struggle with my fat ass, so its fair game.

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#59295 - 20 Aug 07 20:16 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
kenyeung Moderator Offline
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Registered: 16 Apr 07
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If that's how you feel, then I apologize for my "aggressive and beligerent" comments. Assuming you're on speaking terms with Try Sutrisno, can you please ask him whether he thinks Munir's killers will ever be brought to justice?

Thanks.

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#59296 - 20 Aug 07 20:27 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: kenyeung]
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Quoting: kenyeung
If that's how you feel, then I apologize for my "aggressive and beligerent" comments. Assuming you're on speaking terms with Try Sutrisno, can you please ask him whether he thinks Munir's killers will ever be brought to justice?

Thanks.


Dont patronize me, pengyou. You were looking to cause trouble (wankin, i think u said?), nothin else. If you only had one question, you would have asked differently and you wouldn't have taken it further. Mingbai?

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#59297 - 20 Aug 07 20:37 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
kenyeung Moderator Offline
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I was wondering if Try Sutrisno had anything to say about the Munir case. Could you ask him please?

Thanks.

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#59298 - 20 Aug 07 20:46 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
riccardo Offline
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FYI Ken, since you only speak Cantonese, these are the Mandarin translations:
pengyou = mate
Mingbai = capiche (understand)
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#59300 - 20 Aug 07 20:52 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: riccardo]
kenyeung Moderator Offline
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yes, I was going to award him a 2/10 for trying and eliciting a response. But this wearies me and there are more important things to do just now, such as cutting my toenails and having a wank over the photo of the handsome bule in the above avatar.

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#59301 - 20 Aug 07 21:01 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: kenyeung]
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Registered: 16 Mar 07
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Loc: Jakarta
Why r u so condescending? You dont even know me.

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#59308 - 20 Aug 07 21:30 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
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so I put on my wizard hat and robe....

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#59311 - 20 Aug 07 21:42 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: riccardo]
Capt. Mainwaring Offline
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Registered: 16 Aug 06
Posts: 3225
Loc: here
Quoting: riccardo
FYI Ken, since you only speak Cantonese, these are the Mandarin translations:
pengyou = mate
Mingbai = capiche (understand)


Wow , the wonders of google - turns everyone into a fucking star for ten minutes. Order sweet and sour chicken and get a new head gasket for your KIA.
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#59312 - 20 Aug 07 21:45 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: riccardo]
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Registered: 16 Aug 06
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Quoting: riccardo
Don't worry about any of that stuff DCShogun, my gut feeling is you'll like it here and begin to get a feel for the vibe soon enough. Most of us enjoy a bit of intellectual debate IN ADDITION TO fun-loving discussions of bars, beer prices and poultry issues.

You can have it all here, depending on your mood of the day.


And if it is 11.35pm and you are half pissed on a sniff of crap red wine then you can nail whoever you wish to the wall - just so long as you do it from the comfort of somewhere very safe.
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I also made a vegetarian version,with tempe and tofu chunks for myself and others.Get over it.
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#59319 - 20 Aug 07 23:47 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
riccardo Offline
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Registered: 12 Oct 05
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Quoting: chewwyUK
... So this is what it is like to see a topic discussed without resorting to personal abuse. I think I like it

Maybe someone just wanted to prove you wrong.
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#59323 - 21 Aug 07 05:45 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
kenyeung Moderator Offline
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Quoting: chewwyUK
... So this is what it is like to see a topic discussed without resorting to personal abuse. I think I like it


I'm afraid that DCShowgun believes the personal abuse started when I asked him about Try Sutrisno. Raw nerves and all that. Poor chap felt so offended that he wouldn't even accept an apology.

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#59326 - 21 Aug 07 07:21 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
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Quoting: DCShogun
Quoting: kenyeung
If that's how you feel, then I apologize for my "aggressive and beligerent" comments. Assuming you're on speaking terms with Try Sutrisno, can you please ask him whether he thinks Munir's killers will ever be brought to justice?

Thanks.


Dont patronize me, pengyou. You were looking to cause trouble (wankin, i think u said?), nothin else. If you only had one question, you would have asked differently and you wouldn't have taken it further. Mingbai?


If you really are XXXXXXXXXXX. Please just answer kenny question? Nothing really personal. Its also a question from maybe millions of indonesian (including me) who really wonder about the case of munir.

Thanks for your explanation by the way, i am very cynical about some people in Indo Government, indo people and the world have a reason for that. I know i can be wrong because i don't know those people personally, but hey... I am just being blunt and brutally honest.

So Answer Kenny's question please...
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#59335 - 21 Aug 07 08:40 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: emmajkt]
chewwyUK Offline
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I don't want to get to involved in this one as its a situation I know almost nothing about. However DCshowgun I don't see that you can call it a personal attack. These types of topics get discussed a lot here along with the more trivial (which i am more qualified to talk on). Clearly its a topic which has a lot of passion and emotion which is a result of people not getting a satisfactory answer to explain the events.

Anyway -- enough said. Welcome to JC - Hope you stick around
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#59340 - 21 Aug 07 10:57 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
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well said, you sounded really diplomatic chewwy, i think you have talent to be politician wink
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#59341 - 21 Aug 07 11:00 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: emmajkt]
chewwyUK Offline
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Given the topic of the thread Emma I am unsure that is a good thing hehehehe
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#59343 - 21 Aug 07 11:35 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
Dilli Offline
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Registered: 26 Feb 06
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Chewwy is to diplomacy what the Captain is to fluffy toys!
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#59344 - 21 Aug 07 11:45 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: DCShogun]
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Registered: 08 Nov 06
Posts: 3974
Loc: jakarta
Quoting: DCShogun
I fail to see how anyone who doesnt play the bullshit games AND rises to the post of 4-star general can be that stupid.


Someone once told me that old Try was known in diplomatic circles as Forrest Gump.
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#59353 - 21 Aug 07 13:07 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: Roy's Hair]
I die enjoy Offline
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Registered: 21 Aug 07
Posts: 34
Loc: Bandung
As a new member, i feel it premature to embroil myself directly in the lively debate between Mr Yeung and Shogun.Furthermore i don't know enough about the incidents being debated to meddle. But why all the beating around the bush and using XXXXXXXs???? This is what's causing the tension between the two and the either real or perceived "personal attacks" and "belligerence". Let's just say it. Mr Yeung assumes Shogun to be the son (daughter????) of XXXXXXX (away with the XXXXXXXs!!!) and therefore hopes that Shogun can ask (for an) opinion about the Munir case and the alleged perpetrators' fate.It's obvious Mr Yeung has strong views on the matters he discusses. So Shogun, go ahead and tell us. Are you an offspring of XXXX??? Honest now please??? Your numerous lengthy postings vigourously defending the man indicate some kind of fondness if not personal intimacy with him.
Are you really a true blue American or do you have a streak of Javanese in you???? Hey Shogun, you can't choose your parents. My dad was also a cunt. (not to suggest yours is, whoever he may be)


Edited by Dilli (21 Aug 07 13:37)
Edit Reason: I Die, sorry about the edit but we are adamant that names of families and relatives of posters should not be posted. Welcome to Jakchat, but we try very hard to protect these individuals.
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#59354 - 21 Aug 07 13:14 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: I die enjoy]
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The XXXXXXXXX are where the moderators of this site have taken out "personal" information. It is the policy of this forum to protect personal privacy of others.


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#59355 - 21 Aug 07 13:16 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
chewwyUK Offline
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This also probably explains the stance shogun is taking laugh
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#59356 - 21 Aug 07 13:18 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
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??? Dont understand why you are editing it Dilli ..


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#59357 - 21 Aug 07 13:25 Re: 'Porn Made Marine A Killer' [Re: chewwyUK]
Dilli Offline
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We can discuss this offline.
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