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#34057 - 11 Oct 06 11:36 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Jokie Jokie Girl]
Ena Offline
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so whats the consensus on white girls married to chinese indo boys?
I dont mind being trailer trash hehe.dear hubby had asian and western girlfriends before me-thai, indo, british ( bloody slut!)
The race thing pisses me off.I think its more cultural problems than "race" per se.
But I do think that different cultures have different beauty ideals-for example asian girls who I think are really attractive my husband will think are very ordinary, and the style of face he likes for asian girls I dont really see the specialness( standard hongkong actress style). Same for western people-his version of whats hot is just not.Except for Cher-well I agree there. And I think its becvause culturally he has been brainwashed into thinking lighter or " mixed" people are the most attractive, when clearly its not the case at all.
As a matter of fact we both agree that the most attractive
" race" are indian, when they do beautiful they do it properly!
Admittedly I have been out of jak for a while now, so I forget details about if there were much problems for us re mixed race marriage in the street etc, but I know its a fact -even here-asian woman western man or vice versa is " suspicious" in some eyes (either some sort of mafia whore with triad dude or a mail order bride with five times impotent divorcee etc -idiots!)unless you are both 20 and one of you is japanese or korean .
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#34063 - 11 Oct 06 12:07 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Ena]
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well i have now taken a look at the original article that has set this whole topic off. To be very honest i dont think it had a racist tone to it ... but i feel some of the wording was distastful and disrespectful to some indonesians. In general I thought well just observations nothing that is going to have me up in arms.

But then I started to read the comments and unfortunately it would seem that Thang is in fact displaying signs of racism. Let me post a little quote for people who havent had the pleasure:

"And how could you tell me and readers in this thread that you and other bule like you who who are married to Indonesians (I’ll refrain myself from asking about their skin colors or facial and body features)have contributed so much to Indonesia?

Give me some concrete examples! And please don’t tell me that being assigned to Indonesia with a fat salary and other lucrative benefits is your contribution to this nation!

As for expats with good qualifications, say a Ph.D. in economics, who work for international agencies here, I am not sure if I would call their works a contribution to Indonesia. Have you read “The Economic Hitman” yet? If you have not, I do urge you to do so because it tells how foreign consultants and economists suck the big bucks out of Indonesia in the name of help. Oh, remember how the IMF screwed Indonesia so hard and how Indonesia had to take a bitter pill from it after the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997-98?

And for many white-trash “losers” that have been mentioned here, Indonesia is a heaven for them because, back home in the US or Europe, they would not have a job back home - never mind a decent apartment, a car, and a maid (I’ll refrain from asking them if they have ever desired their maids here). It is worth mentioning here that some of these “losers” cannot write or speak English properly, but they can get away with it and make a living as English teachers just because they are “native speakers”. It is no wonder, then, that their Indonesian students still cannot write or speak English after taking lessons from them."


IMHO clearly a man who has issues!! well if you decide to read this Mr Thang, here is one example of a "loser bule" contributing to Indonesia .... Started a new company 18 months ago, bought technology and funding in to Indonesia, train and develop local staff, employ 25 local staff who are all earning 4 or 5 times more than they did in their previous jobs. The company pays all its TAX and also gives a percentage of profits to charity.

Yes I am on an expat package ... and i earn every penny of it!
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#34064 - 11 Oct 06 12:53 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: chewwyUK]
riccardo Offline
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That's exactly it Chewwy. His original article was all cloaked in observations of this unnamed friend, bla bla bla, but when people started calling him on it, his emotions got the better of him and his true colors came through in a hideous avalanche of racist rhetoric.

I'm actually starting to think one of two possibilities: Nobody, in this day and age, can really be that stupid and ignorant (can they??); so maybe he is a client of the PR hack unspun/ong and they're working together for negative pub -- which often launches people to "fame" (see paris hilton and her sex vid).

The other theory is that maybe Thang is merely a fictional alter-ego of unspun/ong using these 1800s era cartoon-style cliches of the stereotypical, nerdy Asian male with serious inferiority problems. All done to wind people up with these fictional, comical caricatures of Asian geeks and get lots of hits for their sad, little blogs.

It does a disservice to their race. My bro-in-law and pops-in-law (both cool well-traveled guys) are really angry and have "inquired" about both of them among their friends in officialdom. This could get really interesting.
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#34065 - 11 Oct 06 12:58 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: chewwyUK]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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i agree. the original article was relatively innocuous, albiet a little distasteful. the author and his supporters exposed themselves as racists in the comments made subsequently.
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#34067 - 11 Oct 06 13:05 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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riccardo --- always happy to follow the advice of a wise man .. especially when he the advice is to see the paris hilton sex tape!
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#34069 - 11 Oct 06 15:00 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: chewwyUK]
Piss Salon Offline
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Wild Thang. You move me.

Not.

At the very least, regardless of the gist of your controversial, pseudo-intellectual bore fest, you are guilty of racism by association, particularly by admitting that the person who sees “an Indonesian woman with a dark complexion, buck teeth, and a high forehead typically found among remote mountain villagers in Java” as “not beautiful”, is your “friend”. I think you have been interviewing your typewriter personally.

You need to get out more mate and extend your circle of "friends", particularly someone who, self-admittedly, moves among the Indonesian elite and professes to take a stand against racism.

Anyway, men (regardless of ethnicity), I have found, will generally fuck anything given the chance, so your statement “To a western man, however, a dark-skinned woman is beautiful” may very well be true but it simply shows your lack of understanding on the subject and beyond.

And I note, in passing, that you find Aussie idiot Corby “attractive”. What does your nigger hating, whore fucking, no doubt slave-employing/raping "friend" think about white meat?

Also, finally, your English, despite you arrogant assertions otherwise, sucks kontol. Do you need lessons from a “white trash loser”?
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#34070 - 11 Oct 06 15:12 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Piss Salon]
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Piss, what is your opinion on my two possible theories? These guys and this whole debacle are just too friggin' comical to be real. Have you ever run into that "sweet lil' Thang" in your travels among the journo circles? Is he real? It all just seems too implausible, or are there such ignorant fools? It's gotta be just a big wind-up from Maverick/ONg motivated by ....????
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#34071 - 11 Oct 06 16:13 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: chewwyUK]
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Registered: 10 Oct 06
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and all i done was asking if anyone wanted to play scrabble. you guys need anger management class.

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#34072 - 11 Oct 06 18:56 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: treespotter]
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Nog goog at srabblge. Can spel.
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#34073 - 11 Oct 06 19:02 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Piss Salon]
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Quoting: source not mentioned

Kazakhstan, it seems, is not quite a big enough target for all the explicit schtick of Borat, the pseudo journalist -- played by British comedian Sacha Baron Cohen -- whose movie is about to be unleashed on the world next month.

In a Paris press conference, Borat flung his mucky mirth far and wide over a range of other victims, including US President George W. Bush, Mel Gibson, Brigitte Bardot, French cuisine and Uzbekistan.



But it was still Kazakhstan that bore the brunt of Baron Cohen's satire -- much to that country's well-publicized chagrin, and much for the box-office benefit it will bring his film "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" which starts screening from November 3.

Standing in front of a set made to look like an apartment in his fictional Kazakhstan, Baron Cohen -- staying in character -- launched into his spiel about the movie, which plays as a comic fake documentary on the United States.

Borat, a figure halfway between Mr Bean and Inspector Clouseau who was born out of a successful series Baron Cohen has performed on British television, is supposedly one of Kazakhstan's top television journalists, down to his (real and quite long) moustache and his mangled, sexually-laced English.

"My name Borat ... I am in fact the fourth most famous person in Kazakhstan," he said, framed by a stuffed black bear and women's underwear hanging from a clothes-line.


The preceding top three, he claimed, were a former gymnast now famed for her circus act which involved placing one of her feet in an unlikely place; "Johnny the Monkey", a children's entertainer and porn star; and (real) Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev.

He offered no accompanying details on Nazarbayev, preferring to leave a long, knowing silence that spoke volumes about the Kazakh leader's genuine irritation at Baron Cohen's routine and film.

Stung Kazakh officials have recently gone as far as to close down a website Baron Cohen was using to promote his character and hired a PR firm to take out press ads in a bid to counter the negative image they believe Borat has built on their country.

But Baron Cohen/Borat was not letting Nazarbayev entirely off the hook.

He said his "glorious leader"'s visit last month to see Bush was all in the name of promotion for his movie, and lauded the US president for being a "strong man" in the mould of John Wayne.

He also claimed the new ads vaunting Kazakhstan's progress were "lying propogandas (sic) from assholes Uzbekistan", and warned that if they continued, "then Kazakhstan will be left with no alternative than to commence bombardment of Uzbeki cities with our catapults".


Borat's trademark antisemistism -- in fact a technique whereby Baron Cohen, who is Jewish, elicits surprising reactions from some of his unsuspecting interview subjects -- came to the fore when he agreed with a certain "Melvyn Gibson" that "the Jews started all the wars".

"We also have proofs that the Jews were responsible for Hurricane Katrina and were also behind killing all the dinosaurs," he said.

France also got a taste of the comedian's lampooning.

"It's a great honour to be here in minor nation of France," he said, adding that all he had heard about the country's refined cuisine was true.

"Your McDonald's are wonderful ... I eat there 15 of these delicious hamburgers," though he reflected that "today there was a problem and my anus was hanging loose like the mouth of a tired dog".

Nevertheless, he explained he was still on form should he have the occasion to meet a beautiful young actress he saw in "And God Created Woman", a (1956) movie "just out" in Kazakhstan starring the now-weathered Brigitte Bardot.

"Wawawaylaa! I would very much like to make a romance inside of her!" he said.

Lest France or other countries worried they might next be in line to be "Borated," however, Baron Cohen -- who turns 35 next week -- was reassuring, saying that a technical barrier was stopping him from doing any follow-up movies.

"Our country's camera is being used to make another television programme," his Borat said.


Edited by KuKuKaChu (11 Oct 06 23:59)

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#34075 - 11 Oct 06 23:34 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Piss Salon]
Dilli Offline
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Seems thet Pak Ong has decided to research comments on other sites...

http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/10/09/bules-like-pembantus-ii/

While I disagree with his homespun philosophy, I do not feel the need to respond. I get the feeling that my views would further inflame an already worsening thread on his blog.
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#34076 - 11 Oct 06 23:52 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Dilli]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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indignant responses are exactly what these home-grown racists are wanting. i've removed unspun and thang from my daily web monitoring of indonesian news sites. i won't support sites that explicitly promote intolerance and racism.
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#34078 - 12 Oct 06 00:41 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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i agree with oildude! if you respond more they would start harassing you! making threats by sending PMs and emails like other moronic bancis did to me and others.
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#34083 - 12 Oct 06 01:12 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: juminten]
riccardo Offline
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Who's this dimwit treespotter? He/she seems to think we're directing all these debates at him/her. I asked earlier what type of medication he/she is taking.... hmmmm. Maybe he/she needs to take a lot more of it.
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#34085 - 12 Oct 06 01:15 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: treespotter]
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Quoting: treespotter
and all i done was asking if anyone wanted to play scrabble. you guys need anger management class.


grin cannot be more agree....
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#34134 - 12 Oct 06 07:50 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: riccardo]
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Are you anyone in officialdom will care ? Or even if any Indonesians are very angry ? Alot of Indonesians seem to ask questions like the ones in Thang's article all the time ? Chrs, Sudogiman

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#34135 - 12 Oct 06 08:19 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: sudogiman]
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Wow... there's a lot of brainiacs here suddenly! When it turns to anger disguise in philosophic discussions, the better answer to me is "go fuck yourself"... Maybe Balibob and I will can be friends, after all... by the way ThirdForce, stop playing the "high educated too smart for all of you", it's not a good way to make new pals... maybe you prefer die alone...
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#34145 - 12 Oct 06 09:18 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Orang Kanada]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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i somehow get the feeling that Third Force is not in the market for friends. maybe he's got too many already.
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#34155 - 12 Oct 06 10:58 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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riccardo, have some for me?

just curious on the APRG report, would you be using primary sources? if so, where from?

UC, Economics? cool...


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#34156 - 12 Oct 06 11:04 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: chewwyUK]
Dilli Offline
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One Night in Paris! I thought it was Ok!
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#34161 - 12 Oct 06 16:34 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Dilli]
Piss Salon Offline
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One Night in Paris. Loved it at the time. Wet my pants, so to speak. However, I found out the next day after I went back for sloppy seconds that I discovered that it was a fake version.

I felt raped.

Where can I find the original version without having to use a credit card?

And while you are providing suggestions, throw in tips about anything to do with Anderson, McPherson and Phoebe Cates.
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#34202 - 13 Oct 06 05:57 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: Piss Salon]
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richie and mr.cheww...there she is.
Kritin Kreuk, bule dad and indo mom! kuku & richie' daughters gonna look like her! she is gorgeous..

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#34203 - 13 Oct 06 06:03 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: juminten]
riccardo Offline
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Right then.
I'm on the phone searching now for a convent.
We're sending my daughter to the strictest catholic convent we can find until she's 50 y.o.
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#34207 - 13 Oct 06 06:25 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: riccardo]
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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wd, hp number, please. via PM.
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#34210 - 13 Oct 06 06:29 Re: Racist little thangs [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Too late Kuku, she just contacted me via the "I need a Shag Button".

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