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#30755 - 02 Jun 06 14:42 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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keating's public position was ambiguous, for obvious political reasons. his actual position was consistently in support of continued integration with indonesia.

his clocks? smile well, i'm not going to defend him over that. some people even collect watches, so i'm told! wink

timors separation from indonesia really came down to one man: habibie. when howard publically voiced a "new caledonia" style solution to habibie (ie, 10 years autonomy, then a referendum), the oaf arrogantly dismissed it by saying that the referendum (actually an autonomy plebiscite) could be held straight away. he was absolutely convinced people in ET would vote to stay in Indonesia.

the military completely freaked out on hearing this! indonesians believed their own propaganda, and paid the price. habibie and ordinary everyday indonesians could hardly believe the results, so convinced where they they people in ET wanted to stay with the republic!

the rest is history ...

ET only became an independent country because of an ignorant, arrogant man called habibie.
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#30756 - 02 Jun 06 17:12 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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I used to know quite a few NCC "Movement" figures in Melbourne and they were gung-ho for Suharto (as I was) and pro East Timor being a part of Indonesia. They fully supported the Indonesian invasion of ET becasue they saw it as forestalling a 'Cuba' situation. But things change, the world doesn't stand still.

Keating was no Catholic in the sense that he supported the views of the Catholic church. When he first came into parliament, yes (in his maiden speech he advised women to get back into the kitchen), but later he fell in with the fashionable left-wing, feminist dominant culture/ideology in Australia and that was that. The real Catholics, I mean conservative ones, loathed him. As i did, what a creep.
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#30757 - 02 Jun 06 17:26 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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hehe ... well i for one liked the arrogant turd! smile Keating almost single-handedly dragged australia into the modern world, both as a treasurer and a prime minister, after years of moribund conservative govt led by Fraser (and deputy sheriff Howard). he *did* what conservatives only talked about.

personally, i think he was a little *too* close to soeharto, but that was to some extent a counter-balance to the prevailing hostility towards asia in the australian community. remember also, it was keating (and to a lesser extent hawke) who put asia back on the map for australians.
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#30758 - 02 Jun 06 19:42 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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I call him a creep because as I said he fell in with the dominant socio-cultural views of the upper-middle class elites in Australia, views I loathe, and which are a sell-out of the people Labor are supposed to represent. Plus I'm hiding out in Indonesia from them. laugh

His economic and foreign policy record I can't really judge due to woeful and inexcusable lack of knowledge in that area. smile
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#30759 - 02 Jun 06 19:52 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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He was a 100% prick.

He was an abysmal treasurer, and it took Howard many years to recover form the debts left by Keating. He didn’t do a lot for the people either – I was paying 17.55 mortgage rates under this economic maniac.

You must remember Keating had no education. He didn’t even get his HSC. He did not go to university. He joined the party at an early age ,and true to the ALP rose to the top by Branch Stacking and Arse licking.

He was an entire group of now discredited ALP members. Gareth Evans, who move to Europe and later bagged Australia. Fat Bastard Richardson, who will turn out to be one of the biggest crims in Australia (wait till the Alpine Offset Printing scandal blows up. Cheryl Kernot – who jumped ship. Etc etc etc.

You would not feed any of them. They all arrived poor, did fuck all and retired rich.

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#30760 - 06 Jun 06 04:01 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Australia seeks E Timor support

Australia has called for more Asian countries to send troops and police officers to support the peacekeeping operation in East Timor.
Defence Minister Brendan Nelson made the call as unrest continued to blight the capital, Dili.

His comments came as East Timor's parliament met to discuss the violence that has left at least 20 people dead.

East Timor's Foreign Minister Jose Ramos Horta also began meeting rebel leaders, for talks on the crisis.

Some 2,200 international troops are trying to overcome the unrest, which was sparked by the sacking in March of 600 soldiers who had gone on strike.

The violence has since spread to rival ethnic gangs. Tens of thousands of people have fled to refugee camps to seek safety.

'Criminal haven'

Australian Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said he was confident other Asia nations would choose to join the multinational force.


"From Australia's point of view there are a number of countries who have been involved in East Timor before, and countries who work very well with New Zealand, Malaysia and Australia," Mr Nelson told Australian TV.

Mr Nelson warned at the weekend that East Timor could become a haven for terrorists and criminals if the government were to fall.

He was speaking as parliament convened in Dili for the first time since the violence began.

Some MPs were reportedly unable to attend because they feared for their safety, but 50 lawmakers were present, enough for a quorum.

Members heard expressions of concern about MPs unable to attend the session.

One MP expressed concern about reports of weapons caches in his district and another asked for security to escort him to future parliamentary meetings.

"Without any security we cannot do anything," said MP Antonio Cardozo.


Foreign Minister Jose Ramos Horta, who is also the new defence minister, visited several rebel commanders to discuss the crisis.

He was aiming to explore "avenues for all-inclusive talks which will lead to a lasting resolution of the political issues," the defence ministry said in a statement before the talks.

A ministry spokesman told Reuters news agency afterwards that the two sides had had a "good talk".

He planned to visit more rebel leaders in the next few days, his office said.

The talks came amid continuing violence in Dili, where rival gangs hurled rocks at each other and houses were reportedly burned.

Foreign peacekeepers fired teargas to break up fighting between gangs.

Brigadier Mick Slater, who is commanding the Australian troops, said that a strong police force was needed.

"It is about getting criminals off the streets and police do that better than soldiers," he told journalists.

"The tensions in the city are too great for us to drop the ball on this one," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5047272.stm
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#30761 - 06 Jun 06 04:03 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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No happy ending for East Timor

By Jonathan Head
BBC News, East Timor

After a dramatic breakdown in law and order in the tiny Pacific state, the government of East Timor asked for assistance from foreign troops.


An international military force arrived in East Timor last week

But will the world's youngest country ever conquer its internal unrest and build upon the independence it gained just four years ago?

I am surrounded by sights and sounds from the past: the high-pitched shouts of frenzied young men brandishing their clumsy, homemade weapons, dogs howling.

Plumes of smoke rise into the impossibly blue sky over Dili and I hear the occasional crackle of gunfire.

I can feel the same rush of adrenalin - the shaky urge to run - and I can feel something else, a heavy weariness I do not remember from before.

Journalists are supposed to stay detached from their stories but, of course, that is a myth.

Happy endings?

East Timor was unusual for a "country in crisis" story because of the extraordinary levels of sympathy it aroused.


Indonesia's 25-year occupation of East Timor ended in 1999

Back in 1999 every journalist was gunning for it during its heroic bid for independence.

The astonishing 98% turnout for the referendum by terrorised, illiterate people seemed to confirm what we already sensed, that this was one story where it was easy to tell the good guys from the bad.

And it was a story which had a happy ending.

The harrowing distraction of the country and the enforced uprooting of the population by Indonesian soldiers was followed within weeks by deliverance in the hands of an international intervention force, and eventually by independence under a popular and charismatic leader.

But maybe we should stop believing in happy endings.

This past week I have watched East Timor's capital being destroyed all over again, this time by the Timorese people themselves.


Australian troops have rushed back to prevent a full scale civil war and Ian Martin, the same UN official who organised the 1999 referendum, has returned to see just how much help the UN's one-time poster child is going to need to stand on its own feet again.


President Xanana Gusmao made an emotional appeal for reconciliation

It is going to need a lot.

Foreign Minister Jose Ramos Horta, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his dogged belief in his tiny country's capacity to rule itself, tells me he wants to see a far bigger international presence and for much longer.

President Xanana Gusmao is the one man who seems to retain the affection of all Timorese.

I saw him for just five minutes in the lovely garden he has made for his family in the hills overlooking Dili, hours after he declared emergency rule.

He had not lost the appearance of serenity and light-heartedness he always seems to wear but he said: "I don't know how we can solve this."

Own worst enemy

I am standing with my friend Edu in the deserted streets of Dili. The shops are all boarded up and, for the first time, he looks old - his face lined with anxiety.

He sent his children out of town to safety and he spent several nights sleeping in his car with his wife Rosa because he was too scared to sleep at home.

This is Edu who survived several bouts of torture in jail under Indonesia; Edu who took me on the long journey up to the mountains to meet the commander of the Falintil fighters in 1999 (the same commander who has just seen his army disintegrate); Edu, who never lost faith in his country however poor and troubled it was.

He has built his own business and employs several people, some of them from Indonesia, the country he fought for so long.

But he is no longer sure East Timor can recover.

The damage is serious this time, he says, and it is self-inflicted.

Failure of leadership

So did we get it wrong believing East Timor could be a shining example in a world of failed states?

Should it have stayed a part of Indonesia?

Is the yearning for self-governance an overrated one?

If this nation is to survive, it needs to find new leaders


There will doubtless be many who draw that conclusion. I do not think so, though.

An awful lot has gone wrong very quickly.

Splits in the army and police have turned within weeks to full scale gun battles and to ordinary people from different parts of East Timor turning on each other.

There has clearly been a catastrophic failure of leadership by the government and especially by those who spent the 24 years of Indonesian occupation in exile.

They have the weakest roots here but have been behind the most reckless manoeuvring, like the decision to create new heavily armed police units.

If this nation is to survive, it needs to find new leaders.

There are worries too over what impact the temptation of the country's first oil revenues will have.

But the international community must also carry some blame. A great deal was spent on East Timor but often unwisely.

'Seduced' by courage

The UN proclaimed it a rare nation-building success story but too quickly, and the mission was scaled down to a symbolic level after independence was declared four years ago.

The UN placed too much faith in leaders who had shown great skill opposing Indonesia but had no experience of governing.

It was seduced by the astonishing courage and unity of the people in wanting their independence but it underestimated what years of terror, isolation and grinding poverty had done to them.

They now need to understand, as we all do, that nation building is not quick or glorious but a very slow, messy and often humdrum process.

But that longing for independence is the one thing that East Timorese can take pride in.

They kept it and nurtured it against impossible odds during the long years when the rest of the world preferred to forget about them.

And in all the times I have been back here recently and seen their lofty expectations of independence disappointed, they never lost their pride in having won it seven years ago.

What they need right now is to start believing in their future as a nation again.

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 3 June, 2006 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5041052.stm
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#30762 - 06 Jun 06 08:36 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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WHAT A MESS.

I hope a lot of people now hang their heads in shame, having forced this upon the people of Timor.

In 1946 a minority of Indians demanded independence from Britain. Pressure form the USA (especially from the Irish nationalists who hated the idea of any British colony).

Seasoned India watchers tired to tell everyone what would happen, but just like Timor, independence was forced upon an uncaring population. The result was a dreadful horrible civil war, with hundreds of thousands murdered overnight. Rivers like the Ganges were red with blood, and full of corpses. Trains were stopped and searched, hundreds of bodies left to rot at the trackside. The death toll was higher than all Indians who had died in WW2 the year before.

Sounds familiar????

Independence is NOT such a good idea every time. People who push for it should be made accountable for it. Right now there are a few people I would like to charge with manslaughter.

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#30763 - 06 Jun 06 11:59 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Arson, looting continue in East Timor's capital
DILI (AP):

Mobs looted sacks of seeds from a warehouse and set buildings on fire in East Timor's capital Tuesday as Australian peacekeepers blocked a major road following reports that protesters and gangs were trying to infiltrate the city.

The unrest was less severe than the fighting between military factions and gang warfare that erupted last month, but underscored the huge challenge for international forces and East Timor's fractured government as they try to restore a sense ofnormalcy to Dili.

Tens of thousands of fearful residents have fled their homes and are living in makeshift camps and shelters in and around the city. UN agencies have delivered emergency airlifts of food rations, cooking sets, tents and blankets.

The looting of a warehouse with agricultural supplies occurred near the city center, and peacekeepers did not immediately intervene. In neighborhoods near the airport, several plumes of smoke rose from buildings set on fire by gangs of young men.

Australian forces blocked traffic on the main road near the airport in one of their most robust security checks in recent days. Reports have circulated that anti-government demonstrators planned to hold a large rally in the capital, though a similar report last week proved unfounded.

On Monday, East Timorese lawmakers met in Parliament to discuss the country's turmoil and a top Cabinet minister met with rebel soldiers for reconciliation talks, as the fragile government showed signs of reviving.

Foreign Minister and Nobel laureate Jose Ramos Horta visited several rebel commanders whose dismissal in March helped trigger the crisis.

"They had a good talk," ministry spokesman Chris Santos said. He gave no details, citing the sensitivity of the situation.

Parliament's session was its first since fighting surged last month in Dili, although lawmakers said some colleagues did not attend because they feared for their safety or lacked transport.

Fifty legislators turned up, enough for a quorum in the 88-seat house.

Elections are scheduled for next year, but some East Timorese blame Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri for the turmoil and demand his ouster.

Alkatiri oversaw the dismissal in March of 600 striking soldiers, who clashed with loyalist troops and fled to the hills. Rival gangs took to the streets in the absence of security forces.

Ramos Horta also became defense minister after an Alkatiri ally quit the post in an effort to defuse the crisis. The rebels he met Monday did not include the most prominent one, Alfredo Reinado, but Horta's office said the minister planned to visit him in the next day or two.

The goal of the meeting was to explore "avenues for all-inclusive talks which will lead to a lasting resolution of the political issues," the Defense Ministry said.

East Timor faces a difficult road as it tries to heal deep divisions in the government and armed forces. (***)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillgen.asp?fileid=20060606103542&irec=0
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#30764 - 07 Jun 06 04:03 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Protest rally against E Timor PM

About 2,000 anti-government protesters have converged on the East Timorese capital, Dili.
They are demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, whom they blame for sacking hundreds of striking soldiers in March.

The protests came amid further unrest and looting, which has prompted tens of thousands of residents to flee.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5051158.stm

International peacekeepers are struggling to control the violence, which has left at least 20 people dead.


The protesters came to Dili on motorcycles, trucks and buses from western districts of East Timor.

Foreign peacekeepers searched their vehicles and, after negotiations, allowed them into Dili, but under the escort of heavily armed troops.

The demonstrators shouted "Down with Alkatiri!" as they punched the air and waved anti-government banners and flags.

After the rally reached the government offices, its leader Augusto Araujo Taro met President Xanana Gusmao to explain the demonstrators' demands.

Mr Gusmao made an emotional appeal to the crowd, before asking them to return home "because there are many problems that have to be solved".

Embattled PM

Mr Alkatiri has refused to step down, despite being widely criticised for not doing enough to end the recent unrest.

He sees the unrest as a political plot by his opponents to bring down his government, says the BBC's Phil Mercer in Sydney.

After the soldiers' sacking in March, the violence spread to different factions of the security forces and also led to gang violence in Dili.

The disorder is the worst East Timor has seen since its bloody fight for independence from Indonesia in 1999, our correspondent says.
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#30765 - 08 Jun 06 05:36 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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E Timor talks seek to end unrest

Gangs have been clashing on the streets of the capital
East Timor's defence minister has held talks with rebel leaders in a bid to end unrest which has seen thousands of people fleeing the capital, Dili.
Jose Ramos Horta met rebel soldiers to discuss the crisis, which was sparked after they were sacked by the Prime Minister, Mari Alkatiri.

A UN envoy said East Timor now expected the agency to play a greater role.

International peacekeepers are struggling to control the unrest, which has left at least 20 people dead.

Protesters have been demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, whom they blame for sacking 600 striking soldiers in March.

After the dismissals, the violence spread to different factions of the security forces and led to gang violence in Dili, in the worst disorder since the state's fight for independence from Indonesia in 1999.

'Act together'

Mr Ramos Horta met rebel representatives - including their self-styled leader Major Alfredo Reinaldo - in the presence of UN observers.

"The minister left the meetings with a clear understanding of their intention to be involved in an all-inclusive dialogue to settle the political differences," his office said in a statement reported by the AFP agency.

The statement came as UN envoy Ian Martin told reporters the international community was working hard to restore security in East Timor.

"This is not a time for despair, it's a time for people to act together," he said at the end of a fact-finding mission

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5054488.stm
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#30766 - 08 Jun 06 08:02 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Conversation in Eagles Nest:

“Adolph, wake up, those East Timorese are rioting again”.

“What?”

“Dilli is in flames!”

“Serves the stupid bugger right for smoking in bed.”

“No not McHaggis, the city of Dilli in East Timor. Johnnie Howard wants you to fix it. “

“Oh Dear. Get General Guderian on the phone. Tell him to move his Panzers onto Dilli plains, and move in from ther North. Get Goring out of bed., get the Luftwaffe to bomb the city centre. Tell Skerenzy to get his Fallschirmjager to land on Paliament house at dawn.

Wake me up when its over.”

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#30767 - 08 Jun 06 11:37 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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McHaggis Highlanders are on standby with beef bayonets firmly secured for action! Now where the hell is East Timor!
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#30768 - 09 Jun 06 05:18 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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E Timor violence hits second town

The UN says more troops are needed to control the unrest
A provincial office of East Timor's ruling Fretilin party has been torched south of the capital, a lawmaker said.
Youths looted and burned the office in Gleno, Ermera district, Parliament's Speaker Francisco Guterres said.

It was the first reported violence outside the capital, Dili, since a wave of unrest erupted last month.

The UN has said more peacekeepers will be needed to end the unrest, which has left over 20 people dead.

More than 2,000 foreign troops, mostly from Australia, are already in Dili.

The crisis was triggered by the sacking of 600 striking soldiers in March. It spread to different factions of the security forces and led to gang violence in Dili.

More troops

Mr Guterres said the house of a party official in Ermera, which is about 40km (25 miles) south west of Dili, was also attacked and that there had been gunfire in the streets.

"I condemn those who attacked my representative in Ermera district and burned down our office," he said.

Rebel troops based in Gleno denied any involvement in the violence, with one of them questioning whether the incident was merely propaganda.

The government has been blamed for the violence and many protesters are calling for the resignation of Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri.

But a spokesman for Mr Alkatiri told AFP that the prime minister was not intending to meet a deadline set by the protesters for his resignation.

On Wednesday, a United Nations official said that Secretary-General Kofi Annan felt more UN peacekeepers were needed to control the unrest in East Timor.

"The council will have to make some decision as to what the UN posture in East Timor will look like in the months ahead, but it is pretty clear already from here that that will have to be increased," spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters.

The violence is the worst since East Timor's bloody separation from Indonesia in 1999.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5058142.stm
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#30769 - 12 Jun 06 04:55 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Inquiry urged for E Timor claims

The allegations come amid ongoing unrest in East Timor
East Timor's new defence minister has called for an inquiry into what he called "very serious allegations" involving Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri.
Australian media reported on Thursday that an armed group of men was claiming to have been recruited to eliminate Mr Alkatiri's political opponents.

Defence Minister Jose Ramos Horta said he doubted the allegations, but an independent inquiry was needed.

Mr Alkatiri denies the charges, saying people are trying to "demonise" him.

The allegations come amid continuing unrest in East Timor, sparked my Mr Alkatiri's decision to sack 600 soldiers in March.

Their protests led to gang and ethnic violence, mainly in the capital, Dili, in which at least 20 people have died. Thousands have fled their homes to seek safety.

'Hard to believe'

The allegations were first made on Thursday, when 30 armed men told an Australian Broadcasting Corporation reporter that former interior minister Rogerio Lobato had recruited them to help eliminate political opponents of Mr Alkatiri, including the 600 sacked soldiers.

Mr Lobato stepped down on 1 June after President Xanana Gusmao assumed responsibility for the army and police in a bid to end the violence.

Mr Ramos Horta, who is also Foreign Minister, said the president should now initiate a full investigation.

"I find it very hard to believe that our prime minister would arm civilians, individuals and in particular give orders to assassinate others no matter who they are," Mr Ramos Horta told Australian television.

He suggested that the inquiry could be carried out with international assistance, possibly from the United Nations.

Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer played down suggestions of Australian involvement in any investigation.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5063622.stm
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#30770 - 13 Jun 06 04:22 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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UN in aid appeal for East Timor

The United Nations is to issue an appeal for East Timor, where unrest has caused thousands to flee their homes.
Fien Riske-Nielson, UN Humanitarian Coordinator in East Timor, said the UN was seeking $18m (£9.8m) to support aid operations for three months.
Some 100,000 people were estimated to have left their homes and there were signs that number was rising, he said.
Foreign Minister Jose Ramos Horta warned that a political solution to the violence would take time.
"As far as a political solution (is concerned), that would take a few more days or even weeks before there is an absolute clarity of what direction this country is taking," Mr Ramos Horta said.
The two were touring a refugee camp which is currently home to 14,000 refugees.
'Increasing'
Mr Riske-Nielson said the appeal would be launched later in the day at the UN's New York headquarters. He expected "a positive response to the appeal".

But he expressed concern about the number of people fleeing the violence.
"We are planning to do an assessment again in the coming days because there are indications that the number could be increasing outside Dili," he said.
And he warned that overcrowding in the camps could lead to outbreaks of disease. "The situation in the camps is very difficult," he said.
The UN was due to ship 150 tons of relief supplies to Dili later in the day.
On Sunday, East Timor's government asked the UN to set up an investigation into the violence.
A probe was "critical for Timor-Leste to overcome its present crisis", Mr Ramos Horta said in a statement.
The violence was sparked by the sacking in March of 600 soldiers. Their protests led to gang and ethnic violence, mainly in the capital, Dili, and at least 20 people are known to have died.
A multinational force of some 2,200 troops is in the newly-independent nation to try and control the unrest.
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#30771 - 14 Jun 06 18:48 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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You can say what you like about me. Crazy. Violent. Nazi. War monger. Savage.

I just watched on SBS tv, as some poor East Timorese woman was shaking with fear and anger, after her market stall, and all those of the other women, were overturned and trashed by supporters of the rebel soldiers.

Now the same documentary shows policemen being murdered by the same mob. Pulled from a vehicle and stabbed, after he surrendered his weapon.

You cannot negotiate with wild animals and idiots. You make them afraid of you. You go in hard, you make grow men shit themselves with fear.

Until we wake up, and stop being nice and start fixing problems, this will go on.

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#30772 - 15 Jun 06 04:28 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Gusmao 'shaken' by E Timor unrest

This was Mr Gusmao's first address since the violence began
East Timor's President Xanana Gusmao said the unrest plaguing his country had "shaken" the nation's leaders.
"We have witnessed the state become paralysed," he admitted in his first address to parliament since violence broke out last month.

Mr Gusmao also vowed to uphold the country's constitution.

He was speaking after Kofi Annan said he believed UN peacekeeping forces would have to return to East Timor, just a year after they were withdrawn.

The unrest was sparked by the sacking of 600 soldiers who had gone on strike claiming discrimination.

Nation suffering

Many people blame the prime minister, Mari Alkatiri, for not preventing the recent clashes - in which at least 20 people have died.

Mr Gusmao admitted in his televised address on Wednesday that the crisis had reminded the nation's leaders "that something was wrong".

"We have witnessed the state become paralysed in the wake of all the events that took place in Dili, and worse than that, we have witnessed that the population is suffering from the consequences," he said.

Mr Gusmao added that the fact his country needed to ask for international intervention should "frighten all of us who were elected by this people to ensure stability, security and better living conditions."


He said he would "continue to fulfil the sacred duty of safeguarding the democratic state" as a "guardian of the constitution".

Mr Gusmao did not comment directly on whether he supported the move by Mr Alkatiri's opponents to oust the PM, but his speech suggested he would not go along with their plans.

UN mistakes

Kofi Annan told a meeting of the Security Council in New York on Tuesday that he was "deeply concerned" about the situation in East Timor.

"It is obvious that the UN will have to go back in a much larger form than we are at the moment," he said. "And we will need to send an assessment mission on the ground to determine exactly what needs to be done."

International peacekeepers led by Australia are now patrolling the capital, and Mr Annan said it could take months before a possible handover to the UN.

According to a BBC correspondent in New York, East Timor was heralded as a great success for the UN - a model of nation building.

But Mr Annan admitted that the Security Council had scaled down the previous UN mission too quickly.

"The sad events of recent weeks reflect shortcomings not only on the part of the Timorese leadership but also on the part of the international community in inadequately sustaining Timor-Leste's (East Timor's) nation-building process," he said.

In East Timor, the UN's special representative Sukehiro Hasegawa said international prosecutors had arrived in Dili and would be working with the prosecutor-general's office to investigate the violence.

"They have commenced their criminal investigations into the incidents and events that took place in April and May, and they will continue to do so with a view to finding what really happened," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5077860.stm
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#30773 - 19 Jun 06 04:34 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Indonesia allows aid into E Timor

Indonesia is to open its border with East Timor to allow humanitarian aid to reach some 130,000 people affected by recent violence.
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono announced the move at a meeting with his East Timorese counterpart in the Indonesian island of Bali.

Meanwhile, the leader of East Timor's rebels has said his group has disarmed.

At least 21 people are thought to have died in unrest sparked by the sacking of hundreds of soldiers.

The Indonesian president said Jakarta would open its land border with East Timor to allow assistance through.

East Timor's President Xanana Gusmao thanked Mr Yudhoyono for his help and expressed his hope that East Timor would not need similar help in the future.

Rebels disarm

Earlier, rebel leader Major Alfredo Reinaldo insisted that any further violence would not come from members of his units.


He turned over his own M-16 rifle to Australian peacekeeping troops on Friday, as well as about 20 other weapons belonging to his followers.

Speaking in Bali, Mr Gusmao said Mr Reinaldo - who continues to call for the resignation of Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri - was not to blame for the outbreak of violence.

Mr Alkatiri sacked the 600 soldiers in March after they deserted, complaining of discrimination.

"Major Alfredo is not the one who initiated the problem, we have many other issues to think about," Mr Gusmao said.

Violence across the tiny country prompted the despatch of about 2,500 peacekeeping troops from Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand and Portugal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5091636.stm
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#30774 - 22 Jun 06 20:04 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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The Australian — NewsIt's a shambles and Alkatiri will fight
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Mark Dodd
June 22, 2006
THERE is no argument; Mari Alkatiri has to go.
The Prime Minister is deeply unpopular and loathed by the influential Catholic Church, which represents more than 90per cent of East Timor's one million people.

But be warned: Alkatiri is a fighter and he will not go down without a struggle.

And evidence that his lieutenants allegedly armed sympathetic civilians to enforce his Government's writ point to dangers ahead.

Is he corrupt? As revealed in The Australian last year, his brother, Bader Alkatiri, was given a monopoly weapons import licence by the Government. Critics complained that parliament was not consulted and were promptly told by the ruling party to shut up.

Alkatiri's leadership style was worryingly autocratic for an emerging democracy and, in the words of a World Bank report, was growing increasingly out of touch with the people.

In recent years, he was no friend of a free and unencumbered media. East Timorese newspapers and reporters critical of his policies were threatened with closure or defamation proceedings.

But Australian diplomats liked him. A former Australian ambassador to Dili once told me that, faced with a dearth of suitably qualified public administrators, Alkatiri was well briefed and his political antennae finely tuned to deal with the fraught Timor Sea oil and gas negotiations.

And what to make of his mooted replacement - Nobel peace prize laureate and present Foreign Minister Jose Ramos Horta?

Ramos Horta already has a lot on his hands, having just added to his impressive portfolio the title of Defence Minister.

There may be questions on his commitment to the job and his people. Barely a month ago, Ramos Horta was trumpeting his credentials as the next replacement for UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Out of the shambles that is East Timor, only one man has emerged with his credibility intact - President Xanana Gusmao.

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#30775 - 22 Jun 06 20:05 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Notice the word CATHOLIC in there.

I hate fucking Catholic interference as much as I hate Islamic.

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#30776 - 23 Jun 06 04:26 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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East Timor leaders in stand off

East Timor's President Xanana Gusmao has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri steps down.
The ultimatum follows Mr Gusmao's request for Mr Alkatiri to quit, saying he had lost confidence in him.

But Mr Alkatiri, who earlier met with ruling party officials to discuss his political future, appeared to have received the backing of his party.

The prime minister is unpopular amongst East Timorese, many of whom blame him for failing to stop recent violence.

Mr Alkatiri's decision to sack 600 soldiers in March sparked unrest which later turned into East Timor's worst violence since it voted for independence from Indonesia in 1999.

At least 21 people have died and thousands more have fled to refugee camps to escape the violence.

"Ashamed"

The BBC's Jonathan Head says rivalry between the two men has been simmering for years.

The president is a hugely important figure in East Timor, a charismatic former guerrilla commander who is admired and trusted throughout the country.

But the constitution gives the president little power, and the prime minister has a track record as a wily and tenacious politician who is not easily intimidated, our correspondent says.

Mr Gusmao said in a televised address on Thursday that the ruling party, Fretilin, had to make a decision.

"Fretilin has to choose, ask Mari Alkatiri to take responsibility for the major crisis, about the sacrifices of the state, the law and democracy," he said.

"Or, tomorrow, I will send a letter to parliament to inform them that I will resign from being president of the republic, because I am ashamed of all the bad things that have happened, on behalf of the state to its people," he said.

On Tuesday, he told Mr Alkatiri he had lost confidence in him after watching an Australian documentary containing allegations against the prime minister.

Mr Alkatiri has been accused of recruiting a group of former fighters to act against his political opponents. He has repeatedly denied any involvement and prosecutors said on Wednesday there was no evidence linking him to the case.

But one of his former allies, former Interior Minister Rogerio Lobato, faces charges of conspiracy, arming civilians and attempted revolution in connection with the case.

Party backing

Despite this, after emergency talks with ruling Fretilin party members, Mr Alkatiri appeared to have secured their support.

"Fretilin reaffirms Dr Mari Alkatiri as prime minister," the AP news agency quoted party spokesman Jose Reis as saying.

Mr Alkatiri himself told Lusa news agency in a telephone interview that he would not resign.

Mr Gusmao said that if there was no progress by Friday morning, he would submit his resignation to parliament.

The president is a widely respected former guerrilla leader whose move to assume control of national security on 30 May was welcomed.

Mr Alkatiri, a veteran of East Timor's independence movement, spent the 24 years of Indonesian occupation in exile in Mozambique.

He is credited with skilfully negotiating with Australia over East Timor's rights to oilfields in the Timor Sea, but he is also viewed by many Timorese as a cold and arrogant politician.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5105590.stm
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#30777 - 26 Jun 06 04:27 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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East Timor ruling party backs PM

East Timor's governing party has given its backing to the country's embattled Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, ignoring widespread calls for him to quit.
The decision immediately triggered the resignation of popular Foreign and Defence Minister Jose Ramos-Horta.

Mr Alkatiri has been engaged in a power struggle with President Xanana Gusmao, who wants the prime minister to resign following a recent wave of violence.

Thousands of protesters have also been calling for Mr Alkatiri to stand down.

The prime minister had said he would resign if the ruling Freitlin party wanted him to.

But the party decided at a meeting in the capital, Dili, on Sunday that he should remain in office.

Government 'not functioning'

Mr Ramos-Horta immediately resigned from his two Cabinet posts "because the government is not functioning properly," presidential spokesman Agio Pereira said.

Mr Pereira said the minister had been told "that the Freitlin central committee meeting today had decided to keep Mr Alkatiri as prime minister".

Mr Ramos-Horta won the Nobel Peace Prize for his long campaign for East Timorese independence from Indonesia while living in exile in Australia.

Almost 30 people have died in East Timor since March in a wave of violence and political chaos after Mr Alkatiri dismissed hundreds of members of the armed forces.

Presidential re-think

Last week, Mr Gusmao sent a letter to Mr Alkatiri demanding he step down in the wake of East Timor's worst violence since independence in 1999.

If the prime minister did not resign, Mr Gusmao said he might do so himself. But a rally on Friday called on the president not to step down.

Mr Gusmao is a widely respected former guerrilla leader, seen as perhaps the only unifying figure amongst East Timor's leaders.

But Mr Alkatiri has become increasingly unpopular. Many people have blamed him for failing to prevent recent unrest which has led to thousands fleeing their homes.

He has also been hit by allegations that he helped recruit a "hit squad" to act against his political opponents - accusations he denies but which Mr Gusmao said contributed to his loss of confidence in his prime minister.

There are now a number of armed factions, some originating in the army and police, who are backing one side or the other, says the BBC's Jonathan Head in Dili.

In these conditions the United Nations must somehow try to start a new mission to help rebuild the country's damaged institutions.

The prospects for success look unpromising at the moment, our correspondent says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5114484.stm
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#30778 - 26 Jun 06 04:54 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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Crisis in E Timor as two ministers quit

Two ministers, including Nobel laureate Jose Ramos Horta, have resigned from the government of embattled East Timorese Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, throwing the fledgling country into further turmoil.

Ramos Horta resigned as foreign and defence minister, effective from 5pm Sunday. It was later announced that telecommunications minister, Ovidio Amaral, had also resigned.

The resignation of Ramos Horta, who won a Nobel peace prize in 1996 for his non-violent resistance to Indonesian rule, propels the country into deeper crisis, and will fuel fears the government may completely unravel.

"I decided to resign from the government until a new government is established," Ramos Horta said through his spokesman.

"I am ready to serve this nation in whatever position."

A spokesman for East Timor's president Xanana Gusmao, Agio Pereira, said Ramos Horta had resigned after being told the Fretilin central committee meeting had decided to keep Alkatiri as prime minister, ignoring calls from Gusmao and thousands of protesters for him to resign.

Gusmao last week demanded Alkatiri step down, after seeing an Australian documentary purporting to show evidence he had agreed to have a hit squad armed and tasked with killing his rivals.

His former interior minister, Rogerio Lobato, has been charged with distributing the weapons. But East Timor's independent prosecutor-general, who is conducting a UN-backed investigation, has said he does not have any evidence implicating Alkatiri.

The prime minister has repeatedly denied the allegations and has refused to step down.

Calls for his resignation began mounting after Dili was rocked by violence in late May which led to 21 deaths and more than 2,200 foreign peacekeepers being deployed. The unrest was triggered by Alkatiri sacking some 600 deserting soldiers in March.

Senior Fretilin official Estanislau da Silva, who is also agriculture minister, told reporters in Dili that the prime minister had presented all of the options "honestly" to the members of the central committee.

"The decision of the central committee was a unanimous resolution asking him not to resign, and the president (Gusmao) not to resign ... they are historical figures, they can engage in dialogue to resolve the crisis," da Silva said.

Asked about Ramos Horta's resignation, he said: "We have only been informed of this and will make a formal statement after considering it."

Da Silva said Fretilin would be seeking a legal and judicial mechanism to resolve the conflict, including the conflict between people of the country's east and west.

He said the leaders recognised the urgent need to involve internationally credible mediators in the situation and sought the support of the Catholic church and other religious groups to help with the solution.

They would be "closely following investigations concerning the illegal distribution of arms and cooperating with them," da Silva said.

The party would also seek the support of the Catholic church in searching for a solution to the crisis, he said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/060623/2/zi9e.html
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#30779 - 26 Jun 06 13:33 Re: CNN/Australia rushes troops to Timor
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One key point that must be understood here: Mari Alkatiri is a Muslim.

Some of my sources in Dili and elsewhere tell me that it is "quite possible" that the TNI "has got to Alkatiri -- appealing to him as 'Islamic brothers'".

Remember when the violence really kicked into gear a few weeks ago, one of the first things that happened was "looters" busted into the Supreme Court and stole the indictment files on Indonesia's Gen. Wiranto. Hmmmmm, interesting choice of items to "loot" (perhaps it has some value on E-Bay??). Kinda makes one wonder, doesn't it?
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