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#29500 - 06 Mar 06 20:23 Christianity V Islam.
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Many Christians are afraid of Islam. They think it is a restrictive religion, that interfers with individual freedoms.

Is this true?

Well - lets compare Islam to Catholisism.

Muslims want to interfere in my life. Force me to pray 5 times a day. Not partake in alcohol. Not partake in premarital sex. Force women to cover themselves. Force everyone to live by Sharia Law.

The Catholics? Well, under a catholic dominated Irish government:

abortion STILL IS ILLEGAL!!!!! http://www.ifpa.ie/abortion/hist.html

Until 1979 condoms were banned!!!!!
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/ireland.html

the contraceptive pill was illegal until 1985!!!!! http://www.cbctrust.com/history_law_religion.php#15

the “morning after pill” is STILL ILLEGAL!!! http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&id=2700

homosexuality was punishable by imprisonment until 1993!!! http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/gt/default.asp?topic=country&country=508

Pre marital sex was technically illegal!!!

Divorce was ILLEGAL until 1997!!! http://www.divorceuk.com/pages/keyissues/diveire.php


A Catholic australian health Minister (Tony Abbot) tried hard to keep an abortion pill off the shelves of Australia. Now he will spend $50 million on “Abortion counseling” 50 dollars says the Catholic church gets the contract!!!!!

Catholicism is just as radical, and can be just as dangerous, as Islam.

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#29501 - 06 Mar 06 20:37 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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#29502 - 06 Mar 06 21:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Talking religion could be sensitive to some people. Hope not here smile
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#29503 - 06 Mar 06 21:09 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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is there any religion that does now have an inherent ability to become dangerous, intolerant and authoritiarian? i don't think there is. religion should be banned, or at the very least, only licenced people of proven maturity and sound mind should be allowed to practice a religion.
religion is too dangerous to be left to the half-educated.
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#29504 - 06 Mar 06 21:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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It could be dangerous if they're too fanatic and thinking that their religion is the only right way of life and the best thing for everyone.
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#29505 - 06 Mar 06 21:40 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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yes, but the problem is that every religion tends towards fanaticism and intolerance by their very nature. it is ultimately impossible for 2 or more absolutist world views to live side by side; one will eventually have to give. so why don't we invent a new religion, called the One And Only True Religion, whose only unifying mission is to destroy other religions?
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#29506 - 07 Mar 06 05:34 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Listen carefully to what I am saying, lest you misunderstand me:

Christianity - especially Catholicism, is just as restrictive in its views as Islam.

Those people who are scared of the rise of Islam should take a long hard look at religion in the West before making comment.

Lets look at some facts:

Sharia Law V Western Law

Sharia law is based upon the Koran, and is intended to enforce the religious practices of Islam. Most people in Australia are horrified at the thought of the introduction of Sharia law.

Yet they live under and abide by a set of laws that originated in the ecclesiastical courts of England. In the Middle Ages these Christian religious courts had wide powers, and were acknowledged to be the experts in The Corpus Juris Civilis (Body of Civil Law). Thus many of the laws today were based upon the Churches interpretation of Roman Laws. The interpretation of course, always suited the teaching of the church……..

Thus the laws that I live under are actually a Christian equivalent to Sharia law. I cannot have more than one wife by law. Why? Because the Church of England decided I could not!!!!!!!!

As a young man in England I could not:
buy alcohol on Sundays (a religious law).
I could not hear live music on Sundays (a religious law)
I could not drink during church hours on Sundays. (a religious law)
I could not dance on Good Friday (a religious law)
I could not SHOP on Sundays (a religious law)

All of the above laws were introduced by the Church of England to protect its “business”!!!

Sharia law is not so different from the garbage laws introduced by Chrisitanity.

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#29507 - 07 Mar 06 06:02 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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This is where I think religion should not involve itself in any state politics. Or the state is not controlled by any religion in any shape or form. But throughout history and beyond the reverse is always true.

What it all boils down to in its truest form religion is just a nicer word for cult. The word 'cult' is probably created by one of the religious group to protect its own interest at the time.

The point that PB made is ringing true.

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#29508 - 07 Mar 06 06:06 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Right now a Catholic governement minister (Tony Abbott) is trying to make it harder to get an abortion.

He tried to ban the abortion pill RU486.

Now he is trying to force girls to have counciling before they can have an abortion. He is paying $50 MILLION of my taxes to Catholic Church anti abortion movements, to organise this.

Catholicism v Islam.

Same same!

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#29509 - 07 Mar 06 07:11 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I started this thread to appease Kuamr, who wrote:

This time it is definetly, I'm out of the general forums. The mindless spamming has taken new heights and is pretty annoying. Too much scrolling to find a worthy reply these days, if there is even a worthy reply. No problem if you could keep it to one thread but it spreads like a disease to all threads.

Thank you for your time.Take care and enjoy spamming

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#29510 - 07 Mar 06 09:22 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Salâmun `alaika yâ al-Masîh! (Peace on You, Jesus)
Published: 28/12/2005
We sometimes fail to remember that many Muslims were no longer interested in building a social gap with others of different faith. They realize that congratulating non-Muslims on their holidays does not contain theological interest, but it is a way to build tolerance and respect among religious disciples.
In the end of year, some Muslims were trapped by Islamic legal questions on whether they were allowed to wish the Christians a merry Christmas or not. The answer varies and depends on the perspective of Muslim clerics. However, it seems that most of them forbid Muslims to congratulate the Non-Muslim’s holiday.

One of the reasons behind this prohibition is due to its negative implication. They presume that to congratulate Non-Muslims on their holidays (e.g. Christmas) is to justify their beliefs, while according to Islamic perception some aspects of these beliefs have been manipulated and corrupted (muharraf).

Some of them will add a brief historical data about Christmas, that it is a mere extension of a festival called Natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of invincible sun) which was a custom of Roman pagans. This ritual then adopted into the Christian’s tradition and became part of the Christian’s doctrine despite of different dates of celebration. The Roman Catholic Church, Protestant Church, Greek and Roman Orthodox Church celebrate it on 25 December. While most of Eastern Orthodox Church such as Coptic Church in Egypt, celebrate it on 7th of January.

These additional facts used to affirm the prohibition of wishing the Christians on Christmas day. Therefore, Muslims who tolerate Christian’s religious practice, for instance by wishing them a merry Christmas, will be regarded as admitting unjustified thing in Islam.

They will also insert in their argument surah al-Maidah: 3 “This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion Al-Islam” and Ali Imran: 19 “Lo! Religion with Allah is al-Islam”. Popular interpretation of these verses asserts that Islam is the only perfect, complete and blessed religion.

Another reason behind this prohibition is an assumption that saying a merry Christmas will blemish common Muslim’s faith, which I think is exaggerated. Based on various reasons too, a famous Muslim cleric in Jakarta advised the President of Indonesia not to join the Christmas celebration and to appoint a Christian cabinet minister instead of him.
I think this advice will be neglected in countries with strong Islamic tradition such as Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Jordan etc, because it seems to underestimate the capability of Muslim (even president) to guard his faith. Everyone knows that congratulating the Christians on Christmas day is just an ethical conduct and part of social wisdom within society.
We sometimes fail to remember that many Muslims were no longer interested in building a social gap with others of different faith. They realize that congratulating non-Muslims on their holidays does not contain theological interest, but it is a way to build tolerance and respect among religious disciples.

Such trivial deed seems as an oasis in the dessert, within the escalation of religious intolerance today. I think wishing a merry Christmas will never bring about faith destruction for Muslims, but create peace and social harmony in this plural country.

Based on this consideration, I sincerely wish all my Christian friends a merry Christmas in the similar wording to Quranic verses surah Maryam 33: “Peace on you (Isa or Jesus) the day you were born, the day you died, and the day you raised alive!”
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#29511 - 07 Mar 06 10:07 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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but then, kumar has not joined this discussion ... perhaps he does not think about these kinds of issues? he's indian, so there's a high possibility that he's hindu. hinduism also has in recent decades demonstrated symptoms of intolerance and arrogance.
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#29512 - 07 Mar 06 10:19 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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sometimes I was confused to different between Islam and Catolic or Christian...because I lives with 2 religion...my dad's religion is Islam and my Mom's religion is Catholic..and they tried to apply two religious teachings in my life...
actually..between Islam, Catholic or any religion in this world..those of all..always Taught the truth..
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#29513 - 07 Mar 06 10:42 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Both are religions of peace, and the teachings of Jesus are incorporated in the Qur’an. Jesus is a great man in the Qur’an. He is highly regarded.

The teachings of Jesus belong not to Christianity alone but to the world corpus of philosophical literature, free of the need for belief and common to mankind.

Islam is a religion and, keeping truth with itself, would find itself incapable of being anything other than a religion. It is founded on the very mind-set of belief. Its name, Islam, means, literally, subjection: to be thrown under. It describes the ideal state, which exists between a believer and God. The idea that it is derived from the word ‘peace’ is untrue. Converts to it seek its certainty and its way of life. Apostates from it seek freedom from it. Islam is only distantly related to Christianity. It does not fulfil or supersede it. That is an untruth put about to win converts.

Finally, we should look at the age in which we are. In the West, we have remarkable freedom. This is relatively new. Fifty years ago, in the United States, a man convicted of homosexuality could be forced to undergo brain surgery. In the 1930’s, in Great Britain, a (working class) woman could be sent to a mental hospital for life for having an illegitimate child. The power of the Church was broken in Ireland only recently, and even now women seeking abortion after rape have to travel abroad. So freedom is a new thing. We have to learn to live with it. In the absence of an external system of discipline — which is a major part of any religion — the art of self-discipline has to be learnt. This may take generations. Different realities have to be lived, and, where there is no hope of heaven and no fear of hell, different aspirations have to be sought; different fears have to be understood.
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#29514 - 07 Mar 06 10:58 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dilligaf:
Chosen a touchy subject this time PB
touchy subjects are usually the only ones worth talking about wink
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#29515 - 07 Mar 06 11:03 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
...hinduism also has in recent decades demonstrated symptoms of intolerance and arrogance.
You aren't talking about Hindu Bali arent you Kuku??
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#29516 - 07 Mar 06 11:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Different realities have to be lived, and, where there is no hope of heaven and no fear of hell, different aspirations have to be sought; different fears have to be understood.
Yes Kumar, thats the point is we should look where we live on age now, and we should be adjust to our living now without harm or mock each other and like you said different fears have to be understood and I believe there is no religion in this world which teach harmness or bad, but I'm little bit scary to what happen in INA this time especially when there is any demonstration in front of US Embassy protested to US, and they want to make this country all of using Sharia Law, Islam Sharia, maybe its good and properly for some other but the other part, but we should look back, INA is a plural and multi cultural country, they have their own culture and traditions, and it goes and exist from the long time ago, they (the pro Sharia) can't change just like that! And look for the new rules about pornography that will exist, ok but we should look for the other side of it, example I came from Central Java and I have traditonal clothes it call "Kemben" just from chest until feet, do I should be arrest and it can be call "Porno" ? I think its ridicolous.
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#29517 - 07 Mar 06 11:15 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by wallet-digga':
Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
...hinduism also has in recent decades demonstrated symptoms of intolerance and arrogance.
You aren't talking about Hindu Bali arent you Kuku??
hindu bali? oh no no no, not them. mereka baik hati kok. but i must say that bali hinduism does register rather highly on the Okusi Weird Shit Index™
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#29518 - 07 Mar 06 11:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Good to know kuku! or beli goof will demo you in front of okusi!
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#29519 - 07 Mar 06 17:13 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by kumar:
Finally, we should look at the age in which we are. In the West, we have remarkable freedom. This is relatively new. Fifty years ago, in the United States, a man convicted of homosexuality could be forced to undergo brain surgery. In the 1930’s, in Great Britain, a (working class) woman could be sent to a mental hospital for life for having an illegitimate child. The power of the Church was broken in Ireland only recently, and even now women seeking abortion after rape have to travel abroad. So freedom is a new thing.
you are right, but even in the west we still have stupid laws.......

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#29520 - 07 Mar 06 18:18 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Back in the fold again, seems that the touchy subject is going swimmingly, even brought Kumar back on board...
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#29521 - 07 Mar 06 18:25 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Yes nothing like a contraversial "prod" to get them chatting at the bar. smile smile

How was your holiday?

and how was Booby-Ruby?

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#29522 - 07 Mar 06 18:56 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
[QUOTE]hindu bali? oh no no no, not them. mereka baik hati kok. but i must say that bali hinduism does register rather highly on the Okusi Weird Shit Index™
I don't mind at all I'm a pretty open-minded guy. I like hearing comments having discussion about a lot of things, regardless whether they're touchy, bad, good, whatever.

By the way, why do you think it's weird?

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#29523 - 07 Mar 06 18:59 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I do think that if people cannot have open discussion like this, then those people do not really understand the subject.

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#29524 - 07 Mar 06 19:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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After the drive trhough the disappearing Rain Forest today I may stir up a touchy subject or two. By the way my father taught me never to discuss politics or religion in a bar, chat rooms are similar to bars, you never know what will offend the person sitting next to you.

I amy be offline for a while as my sister called to say my father tried to take his life, apparently he is well in hospital, he's 74 and I have not spoken to him since my daughter was born almost 11 years ago.(She has never seen her grandfather and is always saying when can I meet my Grandpa)

Funny how some subjects (such as religion) nremind you of things and serendipity come along and kicks you in the ass!

Seems like I have some thinking to do tonight!
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#29525 - 07 Mar 06 19:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by g00f13:
I do think that if people cannot have open discussion like this, then those people do not really understand the subject.
I think it's not realy understand or not..but not at all of the people didn't like about the topic..moreover about religion..it's very sensitive...more sensitive than women who PMS.. wink
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#29526 - 07 Mar 06 19:14 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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What is the difference between a religious terrorist and a woman with PMS?

You can negotiate with the terrorist!
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#29527 - 07 Mar 06 19:19 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Mate, I hope your old man gets well soon and all the best for you and your fam.

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#29528 - 07 Mar 06 19:21 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dilligaf:
What is the difference between a religious terrorist and a woman with PMS?

You can negotiate with the terrorist!
I'm not sure about the different but the equality is sensitive and emotional...
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#29529 - 07 Mar 06 19:31 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Thanks Goof, He appears to have been a bit of a stupid bastard, not religious in the least, dont know yet what made him think about it?

Incidentally, suicide is a crime in both Isalm and Catholicism!

When I lived in the middle east, the papers were full of low paid asian workers who came to the end of their tether and tried to commit suicide. If the medics saved them, they ware handed over to the cops who promptly charged them and they got six months to a year in jail - a caring society indeed.

Catholics who top themselves just dont get through the pearly gates.....ah the afterlife, I wonder what does or does not await us mortal sinners?

Way I see it we are all going to some sort of heaven as we have already been through hell down(or is it up) here!
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#29530 - 07 Mar 06 19:33 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Dilli, I hope your father is ok
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#29531 - 07 Mar 06 19:38 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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If he's made of the same stuff as me only kryptonite will kill the bastard!
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#29532 - 07 Mar 06 19:45 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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What if there is no religion after all?
Can we live in peace?
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#29533 - 07 Mar 06 20:00 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Look what happened to the man who penned the words, the peace loving Lennon got gunned down by a fan! Funnily enough, I remeber the day clearly, I was at college and it became one of those moments in life when everything stops and you remember that moment forever. The times before were the first man on the moon, the day JF Kennedy was shot.

I do however agree with your sentiments. All religions are broadly based on the same sentiments, they just differ as to how thay are applied.

As for tonight, I feel a forty ouncer coming on(Scottish for a very large quantity of alcohol)
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#29534 - 07 Mar 06 20:08 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Tonight I am looking into Victoria's Secret new collection smile
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#29535 - 07 Mar 06 20:13 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Have one for me mate. I have a bit of a sad situation on my hands right now.

How bad life looks, when you open the curtains.

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#29536 - 07 Mar 06 20:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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PB, are u ok?
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#29537 - 07 Mar 06 20:19 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I would rather the cutains be made of beef, as for Ruby's Victoria's secert catalogue, time to get the kleenex out methinks..And she truly lives in the Jungle, can you imagine her swining from tree to tree wearing that cute little ensemble from page 36, makes me want to say Me Tarzan - you Ruby.

Get rid of the bad situation, the usual crap is things can only get better, however, you've not been stopped in Bali or Singapore with a bag full of life shortening candy, anything else you can work around...
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#29538 - 07 Mar 06 20:22 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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LOL, I am sleeping in the tree too....
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#29539 - 07 Mar 06 20:26 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Life 'o life...it's up and down, sad and happy, tears and laugh...bad and good, that's life.
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#29540 - 07 Mar 06 20:31 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by rubyenda:
PB, are u ok?
A girl I use to know died a few years ago. now the case is going to trial. Zoe wasn’t an angel, but she didn’t deserve to die.

Its so sad.

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#29541 - 07 Mar 06 20:53 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Oh I am so sorry to hear that...
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#29542 - 07 Mar 06 20:55 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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That brings us neatly back to religion, the original reason for religion was to control you so that if you prayed your prayers, paid your taxes to the church you would recieve an afterlife.

I'm screwed (metaphorically)
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#29543 - 08 Mar 06 06:41 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Ahh...life...religion...complicated to say the least.

Those sacred words penned by the man himself (John Lennon) lives forever. Well, just imagine what would it be like if those words were true.

The cycle of life, when you're up you go down, when you're down you go up.

I am still imagining Ruby in those Victoria Secret catalogue...so delicious...what colour would it be? White? Red? Or the little black number? It doesn't matter really...

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#29544 - 08 Mar 06 06:48 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Religion is an attempt to prevent a population from asking questions that its leaders cannot answer.....

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#29545 - 08 Mar 06 07:18 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I must be religious at work then.....
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#29546 - 08 Mar 06 08:20 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by g00f13:

I am still imagining Ruby in those Victoria Secret catalogue...so delicious...what colour would it be? White? Red? Or the little black number? It doesn't matter really...
Ruby just love looking Victoria's secret, Ruby prefer wear nothing wink
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#29547 - 08 Mar 06 08:25 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Pagi Dilli... smile
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#29548 - 08 Mar 06 08:35 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Pagi Ruby, Apa Kabar? Baik Baik I hope, a little tried this morning, on the phone to the UK 1/2 the night and already finished one meeting today, another meeting at 10:00 and then of to the airport...ah the joys of travel, have a good one, but, I hope you have clothes on for work
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#29549 - 08 Mar 06 08:39 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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How's ur dad?
The porn bill still not final, so still can wear sexy stuff smile
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#29550 - 08 Mar 06 08:41 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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reality is for people who can't handle religion.
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#29551 - 08 Mar 06 08:45 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hey Ku, - And vice versa -
Hey Ruby - dad gets out of hospital tomorrow, probably have to keep the M&M's out of the way for a while - keep wearing the "stuff" man needs something to fantasise about rather than the Virgin Mary in suspenders
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#29552 - 08 Mar 06 08:48 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Oh, just noticed I got an extra plus after the old avatar, does that mean I've been bad?
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#29553 - 08 Mar 06 09:03 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
reality is for people who can't handle religion.
now THAT is one of the most profound things I have read in a long time. is it yours, or attributable to someone else?

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#29554 - 08 Mar 06 09:11 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
reality is for people who can't handle religion.
now THAT is one of the most profound things I have read in a long time. is it yours, or attributable to someone else?
well, to the extent that there is nothing truely new under the sun, it's not an original. however, it's my own extrapolation of the old saying "drugs are for people who can't handle reality", which somehow got improved to "reality is for people who can't handle drugs". given that religion is an opiate of the masses, then it was a simple matter of substituting the word "drugs" with "religion" ...
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#29555 - 08 Mar 06 09:17 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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well i like it...

i am curnetly arguing religions on another site, and i will use it!!!!

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#29556 - 08 Mar 06 09:28 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
well i like it...

i am curnetly arguing religions on another site, and i will use it!!!!
just be sure to attriribute the author wink

"reality is for people who can't handle religion." - © 2006, Gary Dean

send the royalities to my HSBC singapore account.
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#29557 - 08 Mar 06 09:35 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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hope you declare that bank account to the taxation department smile

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#29558 - 08 Mar 06 09:41 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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<del>yeah, right.</del>

i mean, yes, of course.
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#29559 - 08 Mar 06 10:30 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Damn..kuku just closed the deal!
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#29560 - 08 Mar 06 10:58 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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aduhhhhh....kalian pada ngomongin apa seehhhh.. frown aku ko' nggak ngerti ya... frown
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#29561 - 08 Mar 06 11:01 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Dont worry honey, I am selling the rights to you nude photos on ebay right now.

highest bidder is the Islamic defenders Front - they want it for their 2006 Christmas Card smile

Kacian deh lo!

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#29562 - 08 Mar 06 11:13 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Ladies & gentlemen, Kuku just hit the right note. Totally agreed.

I wonder if the IDF actually do produce those just to raise fund.

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#29563 - 08 Mar 06 11:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
aduhhhhh....kalian pada ngomongin apa seehhhh.. frown aku ko' nggak ngerti ya... frown
aduh, kapan ya kamu ke EF lagi? kami sedang bicara ucapan saya yang berbunyi "realitas adalah untuk orang yang tidak bisa tahan agama".
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#29564 - 08 Mar 06 11:41 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
What if there is no religion after all?
Can we live in peace?
I don't think so ruby..Because we lived must hold on to the religion...Sometimes the religion made us quarreling understood....But with the religion also we could live was arranged, peace and was full of the love... smile
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#29565 - 08 Mar 06 11:42 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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bollocks ot religion.

The bar price list is my holy book

the bar staff my religious leaders

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#29566 - 08 Mar 06 11:48 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
aduhhhhh....kalian pada ngomongin apa seehhhh.. frown aku ko' nggak ngerti ya... frown
aduh, kapan ya kamu ke EF lagi? kami sedang bicara ucapan saya yang berbunyi "realitas adalah untuk orang yang tidak bisa tahan agama".
nggak perlu ke EF kaleeee...what about if you're my teacher....I'll pay you more than other teachers in EF.. wink
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#29567 - 08 Mar 06 11:51 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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The lord is my barkeep, I surely need
He makes me want fly
In glasses clean he pleaseth me
The golden nectars that he ply
For his is the pissup
The buzz and the glory
For tonight & forever
Goodbye
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#29568 - 08 Mar 06 12:13 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I have friends who don't have religion, he's living more peace and loveable than the religious ones smile
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#29569 - 08 Mar 06 12:17 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
I have friends who don't have religion, he's living more peace and loveable than the religious ones smile
yeah, funny that ...
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#29570 - 08 Mar 06 12:21 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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knowledge of God is my Capital
Reason is the Root of my Faith
Love is my Foundation
Enthusiasm is my Horse
Rememberance of God is my Friend
Firmness is my Treasure
Sorrow is my Companion
Science is my Instrument
Patience is my Mantle
Contentment is my Pride
Devotion is my Art
Conviction is my Power
Truth is my Redeemer
Obedience is my Sufficiency
Struggle is my Manner, and My pleasure is My prayers smile

Cheerrs
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#29571 - 08 Mar 06 12:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I only believe if you have good heart and make sense then you will keep some peace... smile

Love and happiness is something within you...
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#29572 - 08 Mar 06 12:26 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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oh, bollocks.

life's a bitch, and then you die.
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#29573 - 08 Mar 06 12:29 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
I have friends who don't have religion, he's living more peace and loveable than the religious ones smile
Apparently like that, personally, I had tried to live without the religion...But my heart was not calm... smile
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#29574 - 08 Mar 06 12:29 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Oh..Kuku..your hot!
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#29575 - 08 Mar 06 12:38 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Jokgirl, u gotta find the reason why your heart is not calm. U need someone to curhat? smile
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#29576 - 08 Mar 06 14:49 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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But i cannot live without Jokgirl......

I stand on the edge of my icebeg, face Jakarta and go 'GRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLL"!

But she never comes.......

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#29577 - 08 Mar 06 18:42 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
Jokgirl, u gotta find the reason why your heart is not calm. U need someone to curhat? smile
"U need someone to curhat?" thanx you for said that...off course I have a lots of friends...
I'm not the person of the loneliness....That didn't have anyone..I have so many ways how to get lost my probs..
and one of them..Brought closer myself to the God smile
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#29578 - 08 Mar 06 18:47 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
[lost my probs..
and one of them..Brought closer myself to the God smile [/QB]
Oh, that's so true. *smooch*
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#29579 - 08 Mar 06 18:49 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......

I stand on the edge of my icebeg, face Jakarta and go 'GRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLL"!

But she never comes.......
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......
That's only of your conversation then....But in fact you didn't love me....And you didn't need me in your live... :p
pakai air mata neehhhh ngomongnya wink
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#29580 - 08 Mar 06 18:52 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......

I stand on the edge of my icebeg, face Jakarta and go 'GRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLL"!

But she never comes.......
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......
That's only of your conversation then....But in fact you didn't love me....And you didn't need me in your live... :p
pakai air mata neehhhh ngomongnya wink
i think without tears, but sekarung ikan as token of his love to you...LOL
right PB?
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#29581 - 08 Mar 06 18:58 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
[lost my probs..
and one of them..Brought closer myself to the God smile
Oh, that's so true. *smooch* [/QB]
don't you believe it.. frown
maybe it's sound weird..that the person like jokgirl told here like that...But indeed that's the true... wink
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#29582 - 08 Mar 06 18:59 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Jokgirl, are u in love with PB?

Hey PB, don't just say it ok..action speak louder than words... :p
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#29583 - 08 Mar 06 19:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
[lost my probs..
and one of them..Brought closer myself to the God smile
Oh, that's so true. *smooch*
don't you believe it.. frown
maybe it's sound weird..that the person like jokgirl told here like that...But indeed that's the true... wink [/QB]
no...no...darling, i believe you, and i really do think like you too. I mean all the problems we get in life just bring us closer to God and just make our faith getting stronger.
and no, it doesn't sound weird at all. despite all naughty and bad words we say in this chat, it's hardly describe who we really are...right? wink
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#29584 - 08 Mar 06 19:06 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......

I stand on the edge of my icebeg, face Jakarta and go 'GRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLL"!

But she never comes.......
But i cannot live without Jokgirl......
That's only of your conversation then....But in fact you didn't love me....And you didn't need me in your live... :p
pakai air mata neehhhh ngomongnya wink
i think without tears, but sekarung ikan as token of his love to you...LOL
right PB?
" "i think without tears"
don't you heard crying loud over there frown
it's not only my suara tangis but also my moaning..and it's not only air mata yang tumpah ruah di sini tapi juga air m**i yang membanjiri tempat duduk-ku wink :p
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#29585 - 08 Mar 06 19:08 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
Jokgirl, are u in love with PB?

Hey PB, don't just say it ok..action speak louder than words... :p
appearently I star to fall in love with PB, but I know that PB never falling in love with jokgirl...becuase he loved Cherry wink
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#29586 - 08 Mar 06 19:09 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
don't you heard crying loud over there frown
it's not only my suara tangis but also my moaning..and it's not only air mata yang tumpah ruah di sini tapi juga air m**i yang membanjiri tempat duduk-ku wink :p [/QB]
LOL....makanya siap2 tissue dong ach! also a pan fry on the side for the fishes... smile
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#29587 - 08 Mar 06 19:11 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
Jokgirl, are u in love with PB?

Hey PB, don't just say it ok..action speak louder than words... :p
appearently I star to fall in love with PB, but I know that PB never falling in love with jokgirl...becuase he loved Cherry wink
ohhh bad PB, he breaks so many girl's heart here...
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#29588 - 08 Mar 06 19:13 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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oh poor baby...he love Miyabi too!
So many guys out there, find someone else ok smile
How about goofie? I think he's ok.
How can you cry both upside and downside? LOL...
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#29589 - 08 Mar 06 19:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><hr /><font size="" face="">Originally posted by jokgirl:
[lost my probs..
and one of them..Brought closer myself to the God smile
Oh, that's so true. *smooch*
don't you believe it.. frown
maybe it's sound weird..that the person like jokgirl told here like that...But indeed that's the true... wink
no...no...darling, i believe you, and i really do think like you too. I mean all the problems we get in life just bring us closer to God and just make our faith getting stronger.
and no, it doesn't sound weird at all. despite all naughty and bad words we say in this chat, it's hardly describe who we really are...right? wink [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="" face="">that's exactly lal... smile as Jak-Wallet (Wallet-digga') said (hopefully she's still remember)that jokgirl is a good moslem and also horny bastrd... wink
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#29590 - 08 Mar 06 19:21 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
oh poor baby...he love Miyabi too!
So many guys out there, find someone else ok smile
How about goofie? I think he's ok.
How can you cry both upside and downside? LOL...
no..no..ruby, I want PB.. eek eek eek
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#29591 - 08 Mar 06 19:22 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
that's exactly lal... smile as Jak-Wallet (Wallet-digga') said (hopefully she's still remember)that jokgirl is a good moslem and also horny bastrd... wink [/QB]
wink ahhhh, she remember, i can guarantee that...WD is my honey sis and partner in crime digging american hot dudes...lol
who ever say a horny nutball never has a good intention in their life???? wink
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#29592 - 08 Mar 06 19:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
oh poor baby...he love Miyabi too!
So many guys out there, find someone else ok smile
How about goofie? I think he's ok.
How can you cry both upside and downside? LOL...
no..no..ruby, I want PB.. eek eek eek
so don't just sit down there...go get him Jokgirl smile
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#29593 - 08 Mar 06 19:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hmm..you're so in love with him smile

Said that women should better be loved than to love. Yet, it's best to love and loved each other.
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#29594 - 08 Mar 06 19:26 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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laluna, u only dig american dudes? Why???
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#29595 - 08 Mar 06 19:27 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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ya...ya..aku udah mulai beranjak neeeeehh...
wish me lucky ya matess :p :p
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#29596 - 08 Mar 06 19:28 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
Hmm..you're so in love with him smile

Said that women should better be loved than to love. Yet, it's best to love and loved each other.
Ohhhh....what ever happen to this people on this chat today? Suddenly becoming descent people? where the bad people go????? Yoooohooooo......
First is Jokgirl with her problem get her close to God.
Now, ruby is also saying the thing that i fully agree with.
*smooch* for ruby too.... smile
Ohhh....i giving too much *smooch* today... frown
but i guess, that's all we need....a little love everyday... wink
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#29597 - 08 Mar 06 19:30 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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of course Jokgirl....go get some fishes too to lure him... wink
good luck
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#29598 - 08 Mar 06 19:31 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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yeah, where are the kinky, crazy and goofie guys here? I miss dilli too ....

*smooch* to u laluna smile
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#29599 - 08 Mar 06 19:32 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
laluna, u only dig american dudes? Why???
who say that? of course not...like i said i still have one bulgarian, one austrian, one british, and two other americans in my closet...LOL
But...ahhhhh, yes, my love just goes for my american bf.
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#29600 - 08 Mar 06 19:34 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
yeah, where are the kinky, crazy and goofie guys here? I miss dilli too ....

*smooch* to u laluna smile
i think they kinda sick reading all the sweet things we chat about....LOL
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#29601 - 08 Mar 06 19:34 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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why american?
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#29602 - 08 Mar 06 19:37 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by jokgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
oh poor baby...he love Miyabi too!
So many guys out there, find someone else ok smile
How about goofie? I think he's ok.
How can you cry both upside and downside? LOL...
no..no..ruby, I want PB.. eek eek eek
I am hiding in your fridge honey, just close your eyes and reach in and grab me....

NOOOOOOO that is a frozen beef sausage smile

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#29603 - 08 Mar 06 19:39 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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actually I am in love with PB too but I am not his type frown
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#29604 - 08 Mar 06 19:39 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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i don't know?????
it's the matter of heart...ruby honey. can't explain it in words....
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#29605 - 08 Mar 06 19:42 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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coz I am searching the answer, why american can make me fall too smile
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#29606 - 08 Mar 06 19:42 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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actually I am in love with PB too but I am not his type frown
yes...i am too....but ofcourse we can't then. see how Jokgirl love PB so much, and she's our friend...we can't compete with her... wink
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#29607 - 08 Mar 06 19:44 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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coz I am searching the answer, why american can make me fall too smile
hohohohohoho.....LOL
ohhh...that's why...
wait for my PM ruby, we might seek the answer alright?!
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#29608 - 08 Mar 06 19:46 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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maybe they just have chemistry like us smile
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#29609 - 08 Mar 06 19:57 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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ohhh....i don't know about that. I don't think it's all about american, european or australian..it's just more to the person. the question left behind is why westerner???? wink
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#29610 - 08 Mar 06 20:03 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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dunno either, I think just about preference.

U can like bakso not mi ayam, something like that smile
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#29611 - 08 Mar 06 20:36 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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huk huk huk hik hik hik...I'm not wanted. I am not loved here.

Wake up goof dude, you gotta do better to attract these horny ladies.

hmm hmm hmm...what to do???

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#29612 - 08 Mar 06 20:55 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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What is with you girls, dudes have to work and fly arounnd the world for a few hours and its out with the tissues and 5 speed dildo's.

Forget westerners, think Scottish, we emphathise with girls, we wear kilts, we fight those we hate (anyone seen Braveheart) and we make love like tigers,,,,
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#29613 - 08 Mar 06 20:59 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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we fight those we hate (anyone seen Braveheart)
Huh - you fight with ANYONE! smile

forget Braveheart - go watch a Celtic v Rangers match smile

I one had a WW1 LTCOL tell me as a young boy "I always felt safe when i had a Scottish Regiment on one flank and an Irish one on the other........"

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#29614 - 08 Mar 06 20:59 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I dated Scottish once smile
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#29615 - 08 Mar 06 21:00 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by g00f13:
huk huk huk hik hik hik...I'm not wanted. I am not loved here.

Wake up goof dude, you gotta do better to attract these horny ladies.

hmm hmm hmm...what to do???
hush...goof dude, there's must be someone for you... wink
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#29616 - 08 Mar 06 21:00 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Welcome back Dilli, I miss you here *smooch*
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#29617 - 08 Mar 06 21:04 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Vice versa :
asian girls like west guys
west girls like asian guys smile
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#29618 - 08 Mar 06 21:06 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by rubyenda:
Vice versa :
asian girls like west guys
west girls like asian guys smile
haaa...told you, it's all about opposite attraction
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#29619 - 08 Mar 06 21:10 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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so goofie, don't be sad ok smile
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#29620 - 08 Mar 06 21:12 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hey Ruby, (Kiss to you too lots to be exact- not u PB- Ursus Polaris does not need kisses, he needs blubber and I am not a gay seal)

Hey PB,

On Rangers and Celtic, we will not go down that raod,, Rangers got booted out of Europe last night - I am gutted,,, I was born,bred and raised by the scruff of my neck on "The Old Firm" I agree, 3rd world war!

I have to spend quite a while on the phone to the UK tonight so I may not post again for a while..

Later
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#29621 - 08 Mar 06 21:15 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Ok, g'night Dilli dear..
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#29622 - 08 Mar 06 21:23 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Dear, that's sweet, thank you Ruby,,,that effin lizard is barking again
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#29623 - 09 Mar 06 10:46 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by laluna:
of course Jokgirl....go get some fishes too to lure him... wink
good luck
Las night, I didn't date with PB, but I was making love with my computer wink
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#29624 - 09 Mar 06 12:34 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I don't care about the nationality. As long as they are HOT dudes, I'll grab them quick!

My type of hot dudes are:

Indonesian -> he gotta be looks like beli g00f
Other Asians -> Rick Yune..ohh he's so gorgeous! and Russell Wong...! he is burning!
Irish -> ohh...my dream man, Agent 007 Pierce Brosnan!
English -> my X-fiance
Aussie -> my Xdude and Polar Bear
Americans -> damn..too many! at this moment is the hot NY dude!
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#29625 - 09 Mar 06 13:53 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by wallet-digga':
I don't care about the nationality. As long as they are HOT dudes, I'll grab them quick!

My type of hot dudes are:

Indonesian -> he gotta be looks like beli g00f
Other Asians -> Rick Yune..ohh he's so gorgeous! and Russell Wong...! he is burning!
Irish -> ohh...my dream man, Agent 007 Pierce Brosnan!
English -> my X-fiance
Aussie -> my Xdude and Polar Bear
Americans -> damn..too many! at this moment is the hot NY dude!
Beh jek Gek Ayu bise gen. Nah makasi sajan nike tiang. Sing nawang nyanan beli nak care luak mare balin.

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#29626 - 09 Mar 06 14:59 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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allllowwww...ini bandara ngurarai ya wink
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#29627 - 09 Mar 06 15:57 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Kayaknya gue ketinggalan berita neeeh, pada cerita papa seeeeeeeh, please tell me, can I join with you guys and girls?
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#29628 - 09 Mar 06 16:02 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by Macan tutul:
Kayaknya gue ketinggalan berita neeeh, pada cerita papa seeeeeeeh, please tell me, can I join with you guys and girls?
I think it's because me and ruby really into american hot dude...mommmy cat...
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#29629 - 09 Mar 06 16:09 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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yeah American are hot smile
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#29630 - 09 Mar 06 16:41 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Oh girls, thanks yes I think American dude was hot but is it true they're not good enough in bed? frown so how many American have you found my dear Kitty, how are you Ruby, I didn't see you for a long time smile
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#29631 - 09 Mar 06 19:19 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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hi MT, how are you? I am ok here, still in the jungle of sumatera, Dilli almost got me swinging in the trees smile
I think American guys are kinky and fun, mostly they're hot in bed...uhm laluna, can u help me babe? wink
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#29632 - 09 Mar 06 22:27 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I found many mommy cat!!!! But I'm in love with one only...*blushing* shocked
yes, ruby right, americans are real hottie in bed and they are WILD!!!!! Nothing holding them back. wink
of course PB also wild...since he is an animal... wink
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#29633 - 10 Mar 06 00:39 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Girls, I'm an expert of American boys, I live, eat, pee, shower here on the land of Uncle Sam! ask me anything you like to know about them..
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#29634 - 10 Mar 06 05:07 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dilligaf:
Hey PB,

On Rangers and Celtic, we will not go down that raod,, Rangers got booted out of Europe last night - I am gutted,,, I was born,bred and raised by the scruff of my neck on "The Old Firm" I agree, 3rd world war!

Later
Here's to the "Old Firm"!!!!!

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#29635 - 10 Mar 06 05:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by g00f13:
Quote:
Originally posted by wallet-digga':
I don't care about the nationality. As long as they are HOT dudes, I'll grab them quick!
My type of hot dudes are:
Indonesian -> he gotta be looks like beli g00f
Other Asians -> Rick Yune..ohh he's so gorgeous! and Russell Wong...! he is burning!
Irish -> ohh...my dream man, Agent 007 Pierce Brosnan!
English -> my X-fiance
Aussie -> my Xdude and Polar Bear
Americans -> damn..too many! at this moment is the hot NY dude!
Beh jek Gek Ayu bise gen. Nah makasi sajan nike tiang. Sing nawang nyanan beli nak care luak mare balin.
beli, you need to shut your mouth up with my delicious lips *smoochez*! your HOT!
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#29636 - 10 Mar 06 05:17 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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PB, are you awake already? morning kisses to you!
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#29637 - 10 Mar 06 05:21 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hello darling, how RU?

I have been having a shitty few days. The court case involving my dead friend was halted yesterday. They dismissed the jury. A lot of bad things have been said about her in court, and she is dead so there is no one to defend her...

This has made me irritable and shitty. Sorry if i became a grumpy Polar Bear....


Love

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#29638 - 10 Mar 06 05:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/08/1086460282359.html?from=storylhs

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18402560-1702,00.html

http://thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18364638%255E421,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18370930-1242,00.html

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#29639 - 10 Mar 06 05:28 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hello darling, how RU?
I have been having a shitty few days. The court case involving my dead friend was halted yesterday. They dismissed the jury. A lot of bad things have been said about her in court, and she is dead so there is no one to defend her...
This has made me irritable and shitty. Sorry if i became a grumpy Polar Bear....
LovePB
I'm good honey, thanks. I'm taking a day off, just got home from the gym, will grab a bite soon.

Oh..PB, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. Of course I know how you feel. Write me if you like to talk to me, you know my e-address. Hangin there, grumpy PB is still hot and you need a warm spoon..wish you were here tho!
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#29640 - 10 Mar 06 05:48 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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She wasnt the way she sounds in court. She was no angle, but everyone makes mistakes. We used to live in the same complex, and we would work out in the complex gym most mornings before work. We met for coffee a few times, and used to joke about going out for dinner or on a date, but it never happened.

she was a nice girl, and she didnt deserve to die....

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#29641 - 10 Mar 06 07:55 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hey PB, what a tangled web we weave. Hope justice is served!
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#29642 - 10 Mar 06 08:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Hi PB, i just read the news you posted on your friend. Really feel sorry about her. My sista WD is right talk, to her or anyone of us here, thus probably could make you feel a bit better. I wish i can comfort you a little, i don't like seeing my friend so upset like this. *Smoooch* for you....
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#29643 - 10 Mar 06 08:45 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Yes PB, we're right here for you ...
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#29644 - 10 Mar 06 08:51 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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A sad story PB. Hope justice will prevail.

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#29645 - 10 Mar 06 09:43 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
hi MT, how are you? I am ok here, still in the jungle of sumatera, Dilli almost got me swinging in the trees smile
I think American guys are kinky and fun, mostly they're hot in bed...uhm laluna, can u help me babe? wink
I'm ok too Ruby, caould you help me please, find me some other Male Sumatra Tiger there, they're my cousins and almost entirely disappeared frown please say hello for them, Oh you're lucky girl, I bet Dili was so "high" right? wink and please say hi to my Kitty, Laluna, she's hang out and didn't came back last night, there must be lots of American hot dudes out there wink
PB, I'm sorry to hear it, I hope you just fine, and if you need someone, you can come to me and I'll keep you in my arms smile
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#29646 - 10 Mar 06 17:50 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Yeah PB thats a sad case with Zoe Z.The man who is charged looks like a total F###wit, I dont believe one word good about HIM.The worst type of lecher that one.
Your friend was a computer engineer isnt it? As well as high class companion? Whatever happened to the poor little baby she left? Is she with the daddy?I wish that your friend had realised she probably better off without any of those guys.
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#29647 - 10 Mar 06 18:24 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Originally posted by Macan tutul:
Oh girls, thanks yes I think American dude was hot but is it true they're not good enough in bed? frown
That's NOT true. Try American dudes aged over 45. They're GREAT in bed... laugh
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#29648 - 10 Mar 06 18:35 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ena:
Yeah PB thats a sad case with Zoe Z.The man who is charged looks like a total F###wit, I dont believe one word good about HIM.The worst type of lecher that one.
Your friend was a computer engineer isnt it? As well as high class companion? Whatever happened to the poor little baby she left? Is she with the daddy?I wish that your friend had realised she probably better off without any of those guys.
Zoe worked on the help desk at Boston Consulting Group. Like everyone else, she came to Australia for a good life, and she tried hard to make it. She had a little import business, bringing in massage rollers from China and selling them to stores. Then she started importing noodles. She made and lost some money in the stock market.

She probably worked as an escort, although some of her friends dont believe it....

she dated quite a few guys. but most migrant girls do. they have no family and friends, guys offer companionship. I know - i have dated a lot of young Asian girls who were new to Australia.

The baby? Jasmin is with the father and his wife. Hopefuly they will bring her up as their own.

I hope to meet her when she is grown up, so that I can tell her all about her mother....

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#29649 - 11 Mar 06 16:16 Re: Christianity V Islam.
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I hope so too.
I have a great friend that came from Beijing, and she is so highly educated and trained in her field, did some business and also bit of this and that maybe escort who knows.Finally she met a guy who is quite older than her, but she married him and now they have 2 kids. She is working for GPS programming .I think she just did what she had to do to get the qualifications recognised here, and now she can relax, she was always in control of herself, and she has a nice husband too-not one of those psychos who think asian women are all subserviant sex objects ready to be colonised .Because she as hell isnt! Shes a crack up too-very funny sense of humour.
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