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#29340 - 24 Dec 05 10:18 I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I am shocked, disgusted and very embarrassed to find that two Australian consultants working on the reconstruction of Ache post Tsunami have be paid 50,000 dollars a MONTH.

That works out to be 325,000,000 Rp a month. This money came from the donations intended for the victims.

This was supposed to be a humanitarian aid program to help people who suffered badly from a natural disaster. I know a lot of people who are working on the program for very little money. I know how little the people of Ache earn.

I am not a violent men, but I swear if I ever meet these two animals I will take great delight in pummeling their face in.

I would like to apologise to all of you. Not everyone in Australia is a fat callous bastard like these two.

It is not just Australia – I just looked on the web: Up to about a third of the $590 million U.N. fund spent for the Indian Ocean tsunami relief may have gone to pay for overhead.
The Financial Times says its two-month investigation showed the money appears to have been spent on administration, staff and related costs. The $590 million was part of the United Nation's $1.1 billion disaster flash appeal.

I have never been more angry and embarrassed in my life. I promise I will do something about this.

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#29341 - 24 Dec 05 10:37 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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ohhhh..I'm so sorry to heard that

so,than..what will you do Ros?...

maybe you can share here....
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#29342 - 24 Dec 05 12:46 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Well fist of all I will write to the newspapers, and to the politicians.

Secondly, I have the name of these two idiots. I will track thme down and xcontact thme, expressing my disgust at tiher profiting from the pain of others.


Thirdly I will write to the charities in question and shame the into reducing overheads. There is NO EXCUSE for 30% overheads.

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#29343 - 24 Dec 05 14:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by rosco:
Well fist of all I will write to the newspapers, and to the politicians.

Secondly, I have the name of these two idiots. I will track thme down and xcontact thme, expressing my disgust at tiher profiting from the pain of others.


Thirdly I will write to the charities in question and shame the into reducing overheads. There is NO EXCUSE for 30% overheads.
apparently, you're a person who really cared with this case..what a nice person you're.. smile

indeed, as we know.. the Aceh's suffering was the suffering all of us... eek
so,we'll get angry...annoying...disppointed... if there's a person that took apportunity in the narrowness...
but some times we can't do anything...

however, hopefully you get lucky Ros... smile
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#29344 - 24 Dec 05 19:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I will not allow some asshole to profit out of the death and suffering of people....

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#29345 - 25 Dec 05 19:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Aceh aid salaries slammed
Simon Kearney
December 24, 2005
TWO Australian aid workers are being paid $50,000 a month by taxpayers to help in tsunami-ravaged Aceh, where many people live on $2 a day and most aid workers are volunteers who work for minimal wages.

The salaries have been slammed as "boomerang aid" and come in the wake of an OECD report that criticised Australia's bilateral aid budget because half the money went to technical consultants.

AusAID paid strategic management consultant Bill Nicol $346,000 for six months' work to November advising the Indonesian Government authority overseeing reconstruction in Aceh.

A second contract was given to Andrew Whillas for $307,000 to give "technical advice" to the Australia Indonesia Partnership for Reconstruction and Development, which is doling out Australia's $1billion aid pledge in the wake of the disaster.

A spokeswoman for the Aceh Agency for Reconstruction (BRR) said Mr Nicol was employed by the AIPRD as an individual and seconded to BRR.

In a written answer to a question on notice, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer earlier this month said Mr Nicol was providing management advice to the reconstruction organisation and was doing a good job.

He said AusAID did not have the skills in-house to provide a public servant to do the job.

AusAID said the consultants were paid market rates and given "hardship" loadings because they had to live in Banda Aceh, which is still being rebuilt after the disaster.

"Overseas appointments are based on competitive international market rates," an AusAID spokeswoman said. "One of the criteria on which we select is value for money and for these postings which are based in Aceh we required very experienced professionals with specialised expertise and these are hardship postings."

Aid Watch spokesman Tim O'Connor said the salaries were another example of "boomerang aid", where money that was supposed to go to developing countries ended up back in Australia in the pockets of advisers.

"I think it's scandalous that they are getting $300,000 to do a six-month contract when most people in Aceh are living on $2 a day," Mr O'Connor said.

Opposition development spokesman Bob Sercombe called for an explanation.

"The Government has got some explaining to do when it can't find money for basic needs in Aceh but it can find what seem to be pretty extravagant salaries," he said.

A review of Australia's aid budget by the OECD found earlier this year that 46per cent of bilateral aid was provided as "technical assistance", almost double the OECD average.

"Aid delivery, even in countries under stress, must ensure that capacity-building and, to the extent possible, local ownership are at the forefront," the report said.

"The role and significant share of external technical assistance as well as AusAID's high reliance on managing contractors should be carefully analysed and its impact assessed against partnership and ownership principles."

World Vision chief executive Tim Costello, whose organisation has 400 workers in Aceh, did not want to comment on the size of the salaries, but said Mr Nicol was doing a "tough job" very well.

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#29346 - 25 Dec 05 19:24 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I have tried several times to comment on the above extract from the Australian Newspaper.

Each time I end up shaking with anger. I promise I will get even with Nicol and Whillas. They do not deserve to breathe the same air as other humans.

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#29347 - 25 Dec 05 19:43 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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This is my email to Ausaid:

Sir,

I am disgusted and ashamed to learn that two so called “consultants” are being paid in excess of $50,000 per month for work on the tsunami relief project.

How you any idea of the damage this is doing to the reputation of Australia, and to the reputation of all aid agencies world wide?

( have always had a very poor opinion of Ausaid’s ability to provide value for money, and this is the last straw.

I refuse to allow my tax money to be mis-spent in this manner. I will persue this debacle to the very end.

I probably hold better qualifications then either of your consultants (Mechanical Engineering, MBA, Army Officer specialising in Logistics).

If you are incapable of finding value for money methods of locating people I will do it for free. Before you tell me about “market rates and hardship allowances” allow me to inform you that I had friends in Ache within days, and who worked for free. These were not “do-gooders” but professional engineers.

This email will be copied to my many friends in Indonesia. I will be forced to apologise on behalf of Australia. No doubt most Indonesians with perceive this to be either total stupidity or rampant corruption within Ausaid. They will probably deduce that you cannot be trusted with Australian taxpayers money.


yours in disgust

Ross Donald Hilton

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#29348 - 02 Jan 06 18:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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hahaha the same as in singapore

the C.E.O. of the singapore national kidney
fondationn,a charity organisation, paid himslelf singapore 600,000
thousand dollars a year.on top of that he also pay himslef 3 months bonus, and even worst he give all contracts to company which he is a director, anyway he got alot explanation to do
and will most likely spent the rest of his
life in prison

it take all kinds to make this world
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#29349 - 04 Jan 06 11:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Personally, William, I beleive the punishment must match the crime. I would surgically remove both his kidneys (donate them to someone worth living) and dump him on the street to die.

The two Australian tsanami "thieves": - i would chain them to as large concrete block in the water at low tide, and let them drown like the thousands of poor people did.

The australian drug dealers currenlty sitting in Singaporean and Indonesian jails: - inject them with the full quantity of drugs they were carrying. If they carry enough to kill someone - its tough!

Rapists - i would hammer a large wine bottle up their bum.

and so on....

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#29350 - 04 Jan 06 12:11 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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50000 $ per month?
I guess 50000$ would be quite enough to build a nice small school in the region!

More than the guys who are accepting these absurd pay packages it the people who are paying them to blame. It is really a personal choice whether someone wants to do a humanitarian project or not.

And then again its a matter of personal choice whether someone wants to do a humanitarian project for free or for a hefty paycheck. To work full time on this project he would probably be leaving a higher paying job back home... you never know.


The real culprits are the people paying them, who believe that this kind of money would be better utilized sitting happily in someone's pocket rather than going into solid brick and mortar shelters/roads/schools for the suffering people.

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#29351 - 04 Jan 06 12:30 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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2day I'm trying to login..but I'm dispointing because nobody here...
where are you guys!!!

and then I'm trying to choise this topic...
uhhhh...it's a serious topic for me...

and I don't know what can I post for this topic..so I'll try to find other topic..

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#29352 - 04 Jan 06 13:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You could do so much for 50,000 dollars.

I am so angry about this.

Sonya, Im here darling! Waiting just for you...

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#29353 - 25 Jan 06 12:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Not only aussies...I met 2 austrian who works in non profit NGO in Aceh. They talk about hows poor Aceh in the club with coctails in their hand. Pretty ironic for me.

And also some indo governments who corrupt donations money for tsunami. Euh... frown
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#29354 - 25 Jan 06 13:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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It really is disgusting, claiming to be doing so much for the needy, and sitting on their arse making a fortune....

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#29355 - 25 Jan 06 13:14 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by i_beth:
Not only aussies...I met 2 austrian who works in non profit NGO in Aceh. They talk about hows poor Aceh in the club with coctails in their hand. Pretty ironic for me.

And also some indo governments who corrupt donations money for tsunami. Euh... frown
that's always be happen, where having an apportunity for corruption,the corruptor will be there..
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#29356 - 25 Jan 06 13:31 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I would burn them alive on a stake!!!!

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#29357 - 25 Jan 06 13:51 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
I would burn them alive on a stake!!!!
lemme watch you do that!
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#29358 - 25 Jan 06 17:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Im not joking...

Profiting from the suffering of others is the worst crime i can think of. it is the ultimate in selfishness.

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#29359 - 09 Mar 06 17:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has defended Australian aid agencies against claims they are making little progress in rebuilding Indonesia's tsunami-hit Aceh province.

The head of the Indonesian agency in charge of post-tsunami reconstruction reportedly has put Australian charities on notice that they need to build more houses faster or face being thrown out.

But Mr Downer said it was wrong to attack the aid agencies.

"I wouldn't attack the Australian aid agencies," he told reporters in Adelaide.

"I completely disagree with those comments.

"I think they've done a wonderful job and I've monitored fairly carefully the activities of the Australian aid agencies.

"You can't just build all of the houses that are needed overnight.

"It takes time, you've got to get planning approvals, you've got to get the agreement of the local villagers for where the houses should be built, what sort of houses should be built - all of these things take a good deal of time."

Mr Downer said it was patronising to expect agencies to build houses without consulting local communities.

"It's going to take years to complete this work, not months," he said.

AAP

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#29360 - 09 Mar 06 17:41 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Once again everyone, I am very sorry.

do-gooders and profesional "aid workers" are pretty much useless. I am a professional project manager. i work miracles most days of the week.... I am disgusted at this stupidity. I will write to my government.

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#29361 - 09 Mar 06 18:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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go ahead PB...
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#29362 - 09 Mar 06 19:54 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hey Guys, get real! Disasters mean money, it has never changed since the "African Crisis"

The money involved is off course obscene, however, the skills involved require massive experience for those who have to Project Manage, US $ 10-15K a month is realistic, I am in agreement with PB on the overall stand, but to ensure you get more "Bang for your Buck" you probably need to employ people who know how to how handle these sums of money.

The real obscenity here is that the people concerned did not drop their rate in view of the Humanitarian disaster
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#29363 - 09 Mar 06 20:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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most people i know who are involved in the "aid industry" are idealistic idiots.

They are usually bearded ex hippies who have never done a "real" job, and enjoy travelling the world at others expense.

I know from my engineering days, from my army training and experience, and from my IT work, how projects should be run.

The logistical deployement of troops in Gulf 1 or 2, or the Falklands, towers over the reconstruction projects currently on hand, and were achieved very quickly by guys on very low pay.

In November i had a few beers with the the British Defence Attache and a Tsunami reconstruction "engineer". Both were COMPLETE WANKERS. they were more interested in screwing bar girls in My Bar than in doing the job.

The conversation for at least a week was on how to seal a concrete floor of a hospital ward. any fucking civil engineer could tell them how to do it in 15 minutes But they just kept on slurping beers and shagging girls. its just a big long holiday to them......

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#29364 - 09 Mar 06 20:34 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Too true PB, Dilli.

I have met a few myself. No wonder organisation like the UN is full of idealistic wankers with attitude. Most of them are more interested in shagging the locals than do actual work.

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#29365 - 10 Mar 06 09:31 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
most people i know who are involved in the "aid industry" are idealistic idiots.

They are usually bearded ex hippies who have never done a "real" job, and enjoy travelling the world at others expense.

I know from my engineering days, from my army training and experience, and from my IT work, how projects should be run.

The logistical deployement of troops in Gulf 1 or 2, or the Falklands, towers over the reconstruction projects currently on hand, and were achieved very quickly by guys on very low pay.

In November i had a few beers with the the British Defence Attache and a Tsunami reconstruction "engineer". Both were COMPLETE WANKERS. they were more interested in screwing bar girls in My Bar than in doing the job.

The conversation for at least a week was on how to seal a concrete floor of a hospital ward. any fucking civil engineer could tell them how to do it in 15 minutes But they just kept on slurping beers and shagging girls. its just a big long holiday to them......
No wonder with those shit peoples, they don't have feelings, humanity at all, act like a hero, but they all rats, and the bad was shaggED Chick too, how ashamed!!! mad mad
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#29366 - 10 Mar 06 10:12 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I work up in Aceh for one of the large aid organisations and completely agree with the comments expressed concerning outrageous levels of profiteering. These people should be stripped of their possessions, put in an IDP camp and told to wait in line for their house.

These rodents are not to be confused with aid-workers however, any more than you would call Idi Amin a soldier just because he wore a uniform and killed a lot of people. Disasters attract scavengers.

Surprised at the level of criticism levelled at aid workers, 90% of whom are Indonesian. Wankers & hippies - no, not really. Most of the expat aid workers here do their best; some are good, so are not much good and the rest are somewhere in the middle - a bit like everywhere else.

BTW, PB, I notice that you are logistician. These are always in great demand and military background is highly regarded. You will find many possibilities on Reliefweb. This would give you the opportunity to turn your concern into positive action. It would take you away from the attractions of Jakarta however...

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#29367 - 10 Mar 06 10:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Yes Babu - I agree that the guys with both feet on the ground do the best job they can. Its the fat cat senior managers living in world class hotels that i hate. I didnt mean to attack the people who really are making a difference.

I have thought about taking a year out and doing something useful with my life - most of which has been completly wasted.

do you have an URL for Relief web?

(And my personal thanks for doing something up there....)

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#29368 - 10 Mar 06 10:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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www.ReliefWeb.int

Devnet also carries vacancies.

Good luck

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#29369 - 10 Mar 06 10:49 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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A few years ago I did an army course in Australia, and one of the fellow students was a female Captain from the Thai army. Kung is a nurse with the Medical Corps. We got on really well, and spent a lot of time together. Nothing happened, we are just friends, but we email each other once a week.

When i heard about the tsunami I tried to call her. Her phone was out. I tried frantically for several days, and finally concluded that she had died. I was really upset.

A few days later i tried again, and managed to get through. She had been mobilised to help out with medical support, and mobiled phones were not working...

She worked long long hours doing a disgusting job, and she earns almost nothing.

Peopel who profit out of disasters like this need murdering in their sleep.

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#29370 - 10 Mar 06 11:00 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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CANBERRA (AFP): Australia's foreign minister Thursday defended the country's aid agencies against Indonesian criticism that their efforts in tsunami-hit Aceh province were lagging behind promises.
"I think they've done a wonderful job and I've monitored fairly carefully the activities of the Australian aid agencies," Alexander Downer told reporters.
He was reacting to remarks attributed to the head of Indonesia's Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Agency, Kuntoro Mangkusubroto, in an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald.
Kuntoro singled out CARE International whose Australian arm has undertaken some of the biggest rebuilding efforts in Aceh since the devastating tsunami of December 26, 2004.
"Last year CARE pledged many houses, but they keep reducing the number, they have come down to a third or a quarter of what they promised," Kuntoro was quoted as saying.
Putting CARE and other agencies on notice, Kuntoro said his agency would take over any projects that were still unfinished in June next year and order the charities responsible to leave, the newspaper said.
"I completely disagree with those comments," Downer said.
"You can't just build all of the houses that are needed overnight. It takes time, you've got to get planning approvals, you've got to get the agreement of the local villagers for where the houses should be built, what sort of houses should be built -- all of these things take a good deal of time," he said.
"It's going to take years to complete this work, not months," he said.
Aceh was hardest hit by the 9.3-magnitude quake off the coast of Sumatra that triggered the tsunami, which killed more than 220,000 people around the Indian Ocean. (**)
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#29371 - 10 Mar 06 12:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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And some of the houses dont have water connected I heard.
Have you guys read that book called " emergency sex and other desparate measures" It was written by 3 ex un staffers who did cambodia, liberia and haiti, bosnia etc.Its pretty good read, outlines some of the ludicrous situations in disaster zones.
Catch 22 would be the best one though, in that vein.
Lots of people were disgusted at me and my husband because we would not donate money to tsunami charities.People asked him well you are Indonesian so how come you will not help and give money??? Now they see why. Its better to go and give money directly to the hand that is of the sufferer.Just like buying ski suits and other stuff from pasar senen after the aid agencies have sold them to the marketeers.Does that money get to the orphans and needy it was intended for? Its the top end of town that is always the dirtiest for sure.
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#29372 - 10 Mar 06 13:02 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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But if we should give donation directly, what are they for???
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#29373 - 10 Mar 06 13:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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If I give a dollar to someone collecting aid on the streets of Sydney, an average 80% goes directly to the aid collector (who does this for a living) and the aid collection company.

(I was astounded to discover that aid agencies allow collection companies to use their name on professional charity collections. It may sax OXFAM on the shirt, but its really a private profit company who donate as little as 20% to OXFAM.)

And of the remaining 20% - well 10% or 2cents goes towards the charity company overheads. Leaving just 18 cents. Most of which are spent buying produce and equipment in Australia, to ensure that the Australain economy benefits and not the country in trouble......

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#29374 - 10 Mar 06 13:45 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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World Vision Australia, which has transferred more than $60 million in unspent Australian donations to its "global treasury" in California, will spend half of the funds raised within 12 months. The rest is due to be spent over two to three years.

Chief executive Tim Costello said Australian World Vision representatives retained control over how the funds were spent, despite their being held in Los Angeles.

"We have a partnership model where the legal, moral, and financial responsibility for how the funds are raised and spent rests with the board here," he said. "We have the final say."

The six agencies said any interest earned on unspent funds would be allocated to tsunami projects. Red Cross holds the funds in a bank account and short-term cash deposits while Caritas retains funds as bank bills in "low-risk investment instruments".

The big agencies confirmed most were using donations to fund additional overhead costs, including air fares, accommodation and wages of employees working on tsunami projects. But these extra administrative expenses are allocated as project costs in agency financial statements.

Due to blanket media coverage and corporate support, four of the six agencies have kept their overheads below 8 per cent.

But Red Cross Australia and Oxfam Community Aid Abroad have a 10 per cent cap - equal to a combined $11.7 million - on overheads.

Mr Costello said that before he joined World Vision its executives received bonuses, flew business class and had access to an executive car park at the organisation's Burwood East headquarters. While he has flown business class twice since becoming chief executive (the first because it was "pre-booked" and the second when recovering from an operation), Mr Costello said he and other staff flew economy class. Bonuses and car park privileges had been scrapped.

UNICEF and Oxfam disclosed the salaries of their senior executives - they range from $65,000 to $93,750 - but the Red Cross and Caritas refused. World Vision and Care Australia said executive salaries would be detailed for the first time in their next annual reports.

Several agencies said tsunami donations were used to finance the air fares and accommodation of Australian workers sent to do relief work in the tsunami-affected region. These costs are not identified as separate line items in the agency's financial statements, but included within project costs.

The Institute of Public Affairs, an outspoken critic of the agencies, said the costs should be broken down and disclosed.

"It makes it impossible to ascertain how much money goes to the needy," IPA senior research fellow Don D'Cruz said. "I don't think that is acceptable. The public want to know how much is getting to the people. By embedding these costs, they are really fudging the issue."

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#29375 - 10 Mar 06 14:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Ok, a bit more self disclosure for you..

The programme manager in Banda Aceh for one of the major agencies earns $53,000 a year. He also gets a room in a shared house. He is in charge of 200 staff and a budget of $80m over three years. 18 of these are expats who earn between $40,000 and $53,000 a year.

He comes from the UK, where his salary is barely enough to keep his family.

Before joining the voluntary sector, he worked in the private sector for a lot more than he gets now. This is true of most of the expats on his team.

The anticipated cost of employing expats over the 3 year period is 4% of total budget. This is too much and local staff are employed wherever possible. It is not always easy, however, to get good, experienced staff to move to Aceh and HR constraints are the biggest single reason for the delay in getting things done.

If you look up DEC on the web,you will get very good analysis of the performance of the UK agencies.

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#29376 - 10 Mar 06 19:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Babu:
Ok, a bit more self disclosure for you..

He comes from the UK, where his salary is barely enough to keep his family.

Before joining the voluntary sector, he worked in the private sector for a lot more than he gets now.
Talking about yourself ya..? Sounds like Anda pria yang rendah hati ya. Jarang orang seperti Anda.

Think your nickname has something to do with your real job - a Babu for Aceh people. smile

Good luck with your job wink
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#29377 - 10 Mar 06 19:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I agree Babu, but there is some bullshit going on.....

The Australian aid in some areas is being held up whilst "studies are conducted" an numbers of houses, village sizes, street layouts. Meanwhile back in Australia money is being poured into Australian companies to develop prefabricated housing. By the time the fucking streets are designed, villages planned and a new type of prefabricated house has been invented most poor bloody victims will have either moved to a new area or built some sort of house.

I know ( because some of my friends went) that IBM sent a bunch of "Management Consultants" to Ache to conduct research into optimum village sizes. The people were SCREAMING for clean water and shelter. They wanted desalination plants, tools, timber. They got men with laptops (And this is genuine). Apparently IBM wrote off the costs on taxation and made a profit!

They should have sent several portable sawmills, desal plants, generators to run them etc....

I have been trying to discover EXACTLY how much of Australian aid has been spent on hand tools to enable the victims to rebuild their own homes. Everyone seems reluctant to tell me.

A final irony - in Thailand most of the aid seems to b going into holiday resorts (again I am not joking) using the argument that this will provide employment for locals and revitalise he economy. Who exactly owns these new resort complexes remains undisclosed.

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#29378 - 10 Mar 06 19:50 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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The Age
Ten-year wait for tsunami aid
By Ewin Hannan
March 1, 2005

Millions of dollars in public donations to Asian tsunami victims will not be delivered for up to 10 years as Australian aid agencies shift from emergency relief to long-term rehabilitation and reconstruction of the devastated region.

An Age survey of Australia's top six non-government aid agencies has also found their combined administrative costs on the tsunami appeal will soak up $21.2 million - or almost 9 per cent of their total funds raised.

Not use the money for TEN FUCKING YEARS!!!!!

TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN FUCKING ADMIN!!!!!

This is beyond a joke..... frown

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#29379 - 10 Mar 06 19:51 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Aid agencies 'lied' over tsunami help
Email Print Normal font Large font By Mark Forbes, Jakarta
March 9, 2006

MAJOR aid agencies have acted dishonestly and lied about their lacklustre efforts in Aceh's $7 billion tsunami reconstruction program, according to the program's director.

Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Agency chief Kuntoro Mangkusubroto has made a scathing attack on some charities' reconstruction efforts, singling out CARE International, whose Australian arm is involved in some of the larger rebuilding efforts in Aceh.

Dr Kuntoro told The Age that agencies had until June this year to lift their performance or he would order them out of Aceh by June next year.

"Last year CARE pledged many houses but they keep reducing the number. They have come down to a third or a quarter of what they promised."

CARE International's Australian director, Robert Glasser, said he was "floored" by the criticism. CARE was seeking an urgent meeting with Dr Kuntoro.

"We take this very seriously and we are committed to doing a first-class job in Aceh," Mr Glasser said. "Either there is some confusion or he has seen something we haven't been alerted to."

CARE has 1054 houses at various stages of construction. None have been completed.

Dr Kuntoro said some larger organisations had lied to their donors and the public about their progress and were beset by high overheads or divided by internal problems.

"One agency took pictures claiming they had built 100 houses, but they just built two houses," he said. "I am very disappointed with the unprofessionalism of some agencies. In some areas they have built houses without water or toilets."

Some organisations planned to still be building houses in 2008, which was unacceptable. Dr Kuntoro said 120,000 homes were required to replace those destroyed by the December 2004 tsunami, but fewer than 20,000 had been built so far.

Dr Kuntoro said he was surveying all aid agencies to measure their performances against their pledges.

"We are so proud of projects and groups like the Salvation Army, for example, but when it comes to bigger organisations I am sad to say they're not as effective," he said in another interview with The Jakarta Post newspaper. "They have too many overheads and I believe too many internal governance problems and I feel it is my duty to communicate that."

Any agencies that failed to deliver on their commitments by the middle of next year would be required to leave.

"The consequences are severe, but I want to send a signal that we are serious here and this is not business as usual. People have to work fast in these projects and I'm really serious about that," he said.

After assuming control of reconstruction efforts last May, Dr Kuntoro conceded the pace of rebuilding was too slow and too many refugees were housed inadequately or remained in squalid tent camps. Promises made in December to move everyone out of the camps this month have now been pushed back by several months.

He also criticised the pace of the United Nations Habitat rebuilding program. Project head Ian Hamilton said there had been initial building delays.

Dr Kuntoro's comments follow aid watchdog Aidwatch's criticism of reconstruction under Australia's $1 billion effort, which alleged lack of consultation, poor design of new houses and corruption.

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#29380 - 10 Mar 06 19:52 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Allow me to highlight one sentence:

"CARE has 1054 houses at various stages of construction. None have been completed."

All that money....

All that rehetoric....

one thousand houses, NOT ONE COMPLETED!!!!!

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#29381 - 10 Mar 06 20:06 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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PB, thanks for your concern, I really don't know this until u bring up, so much living in the jungle.
I feel so sad and sorry for the tsunami victims, how their suffering taken advantages by those bastards!
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#29382 - 11 Mar 06 18:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hey Polar Bear, You talk the talk but do you actually walk the walk. Considering the many ways expat people go about making their living here in Jakarta, exactly what do you and/or your company do to make your money that you can guarantee no one down the line or up the line gets hurt in any way, shape of form?

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#29383 - 11 Mar 06 19:07 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I make bugger all out of Jakarta! I have a share in a joint venture implementing IT projects.

I might make a dollar or two in 5-6 years time. Amount paid to me from Indonesia = $0 (and I can prove it). I keep pouring money and effort in, and I dont mean pouring money into Blok M, I mean buying laptops for my local developers, spending my money trying to secure them contracts, buying a fucking 64 bit Sun Entreprise server, paying my travel and hotel bills etc.

I am currently working on a contract in Sydney so that I can keep going. To try to stay on top I am looking at overseas IT contracts - Saudi, Dubai, and the bloody Central Highlands of PNG.

Does anyone get hurt in any way shape or form from my efforts? Possibly, but not in any way that I know about. I am not in that business....

And yes`I have shagged my share of girls in jakarta. And yes i have paid them for the pleasure.

but i dont rip people off....

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#29384 - 11 Mar 06 19:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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But i tell you what I don’t do:

I don’t earn $50,000 a month like Bill Nicol does for "advising the Indonesian Government authority overseeing reconstruction in Ache".

WHAT THE FUCK IS HE ADVISING THEM ON?

I don’t earn $50,000 a month like Andrew Whillas does for providing "technical advice" to the Australia Indonesia Partnership for Reconstruction and Development!

WHAT FUCKING TECHNICAL ADVICE?

Rocket scientists don’t earn that kind of money for "technical advice!!!!!!

And these two wankers are getting the Australian Humanitarian Overseas Service Medal for living in a 5 star hotel in Jakarta!!!!!!

This is simply “jobs for the boys” and “Gravy Train” at work. Their lack of competence is obvious given the pisspoor results so far.

I wrote and complained to several aid agencies two months ago. Guess what? Not a single reply………. ASSHOLES!

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#29385 - 11 Mar 06 21:22 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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i handle many visas for bules going to aceh ... generally, they are not an impressive bunch, especially those from the christian charity organisations.

tio be fair, however, the majority of the blame for the current situation in aceh should be shafted to the indonesian government and bureaucracy. you would not believe the impediments they put in the way of organisations trying to do anything useful in aceh. amazingly unbelievable stupidity.
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#29386 - 11 Mar 06 21:36 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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But this is the point - these wankers are supposed to be the experts at sorting out the bureaucracy. That is what they get $50K a month for.

as we both know, $50K goes a long way in Jakarta. it buys a lot of time....

If they had sorted the mess out within 6 months I wouldnt complain so bitterly, but these bastards took the money and STILL havent delivered.

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#29387 - 11 Mar 06 21:41 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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well, then we shouldn't be paying *any* perfumed high-flyers until the vested interests in aceh -- TNI, GAM, BRR, bureaucrats in immigration, foreign affairs, finance, state security, state secretariat -- decide that they are all on the same side.

until the indonesians sort themselves out, everybody is virtually pissing in the wind.
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#29388 - 11 Mar 06 21:47 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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and Ache DOESNT need Bules. any more fucking "experts" out there and the bloody island will sink. It needs basic necessities. Food, clean water, tools and equipment, and it needs materials.

these could/should be supplied locally, but aid being foriegn policy by another name, everything is done to keep the maximim value in Australia.

And on top of everything else the "Loonie Greenies" are involved, "studying" fauna and flora, ensuring that no trees are cut down!!!

The people can live in tents for years, but the trees get counted and have to be left untouched....

Its a stupid world......

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#29389 - 11 Mar 06 21:54 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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All of the above posted at many websites with zero response.
Banda Acheh was worst hit,mnow it is being hit again!
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#29390 - 11 Mar 06 22:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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no response because it is the Gravy Train.

It is catch 22. Aid agencies pray for major disasters, because it is the reason they exist. Its like an army looking for a war.

And all agencies are more interested in getting in the dollars than in sorting out the problems. Cos its the dollars that pay the wages.

It suits CARE to keep people in Ache for the next 10 years. Why would they want resolution in 6 months?

They build empires (fucking big ones) and dont lke anything to rock them.

remember, in Australia they cling to a tax free status, and dont publish accounts like any company would have to......

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#29391 - 12 Mar 06 07:54 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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All in the name of "Charity".

Only "charitable" to those who ends up with the dough.

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#29392 - 12 Mar 06 09:36 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by rubyenda:
PB, thanks for your concern, I really don't know this until u bring up, so much living in the jungle.
I feel so sad and sorry for the tsunami victims, how their suffering taken advantages by those bastards!
PB is the person really cared about his environment...
He also really the philanthropist, kind and not arrogant... wink I know him much but he did't know me anything wink
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#29393 - 12 Mar 06 12:03 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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So a bunch of left wing ‘tourists” masquerading as aid workers turn up with their cameras and laptops, book into the best hotels, shag all the local girls, and email back home about all of the good deeds they are doing.

It is pure colonial claptrap to even think that you need Bule "EXPERTS" in any aid operation. Pure garbage….

It implies that there is no one in Indonesia capable of managing the aid relief!!!

Indonesia would do far better to throw all of these bule so called “experts” out on their arse.

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#29394 - 12 Mar 06 12:15 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ena:
Just like buying ski suits and other stuff from pasar senen after the aid agencies have sold them to the marketeers.Does that money get to the orphans and needy it was intended for? Its the top end of town that is always the dirtiest for sure.
About 10 years ago the army unit i was with moved into a new location. The previous unit had left a lot of shuff behind, including thousands of army blankets. they were old (dated 1965 etc) but clean and good condition. We were gonig to dump the, so I called several aid agencies. They said "no thanks, we prefer money to goods".

I took several blankets home. i still use them. The rest we gave away or sent to the tip.

Why did the agency want money rather then blankets? Cos money = wages, hotel bills, airtline tickets, mobile phones and all the crap of a modern global executive.

Of course blankets mean life or death to an eathquake victim but the agency doesnt care about that.

aid Agencies are just big business....

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#29395 - 12 Mar 06 12:43 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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And here, ladies and gentleman, proof of the size and extent of the bullshit:

This is an extract from OFFICE OF THE UNITED NATIONS RESIDENT/HUMANITARIAN COORDINATIOR IN INDONESIA, SITUATION REPORT – INDONESIA, 16-31 AUGUST 2005

“To that end, BRR in cooperation with FAO hosted the Second Workshop on Wood Supply for Post Tsunami Reconstruction for the Wood Forest Industry in Jakarta on 2 August 2005, to reach solutions on the various issues related specifically to timber supply, and develop strategic approaches to overcoming illegal logging and deforestation. However, during the discussions that proceeded presentations from various stakeholders, including BRR, FAO, Ministry of Forestry, WWF and the Timber Industry,
more issues were raised than solutions reached. Issues related to the wood supply policy include supporting special projects that support sustainably produced timber products.”

So:
a) Within the first EIGHT MONTHS, the aid agencies had held two workshops on wood supply to the tsunami relief operations. TWO FUCKING WORKSHOPS just on wood supply.

b) High on the agenda was the use of “sustainable timber”. People were homeless whist these wankers held workshops on which SUSTAINABLE TIMBERS to use.

This is BULLSHIT of the worst kind!

I want answers!!!!!

Happy camer? Babu? can you comment?

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#29396 - 12 Mar 06 14:31 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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SO why are you here working if you feel so strongly about the situation, it is obvious yur emails, letters and misdirected rantings and ravings have done nothing to satisfy yourself in fixing the problem so why have you not gone to Aceh and grabbed the bull by the horns so to speak?

Of all of your letters and emails of complaint about the situation, I have as of yet read a letter to the editor of The Jakarta Post to say that you are "ashamed to be an Australian" and describing the situation with these 2 consultants. Take the message to the people Mother Teresa, maybe you should as well think about chagning your name to Ibu Teresa and give all of your earthly possessions to the needy?

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#29397 - 12 Mar 06 15:06 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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1) As I explained elsewhere – I am not “here working”. I am in Sydney earning money…

2) My going to Ache will achieve nothing, and the fewer Bule “experts” over there the better. Believe me I am lobbying hard with politicians over here in Australia. (If I did go over there I would kick arse so hard my boot would stick through several useless “expert” mouths…..)

3) Notwithstanding the above – it is worth remembering that foreign aid =foreign policy to many governments. Not for nothing is AusAid broadcasting English programs on over 100 stations in Indonesia and claiming it to be part of the Tsunami reconstruction program.

4) What on earth would be the point of writing to The Jakarta Post? I have been keeping several Australian journalists aware of the mess, and lobbying politicians.

5) I am no Mother Terasa. I am happy to make money out of people. But I don’t make money out of people who are suffering from a disaster, and I don’t certainly don’t make money out of them whilst claiming to be a charity.

Its called ethics……

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#29398 - 12 Mar 06 15:16 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Yes and as I have been living and working in Jakarta for 18 years, one of the most told jokes here is the one about the shortest book in Australian history, the one involving ethics. Since you are on the ground there, exactly how many Australians were involved and how much money (I have heard over 300 million USD) was paid to the Iragi government under the table to buy Australian wheat?

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#29399 - 12 Mar 06 15:18 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Happy Camper:
SO why are you here working if you feel so strongly about the situation, it is obvious yur emails, letters and misgiven rantings and ravings
HC, you have to help me here, since i cannot find misgiven in the dictionary....

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#29400 - 12 Mar 06 21:32 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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#29401 - 13 Mar 06 01:16 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Polar Ass, Dictionary.com and the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary give the same definition (see below). Instead of lookng with your smart mouth when you do not know the meaning of a word, try looking with your brain. I bet this is the same way you are fighting and trying to make a difference with these 2 Aussies and thier fat pay checks, by talking the talk but you have to start walking the walk. Although you may think and have convinced some of these airheards here you are the greatest thing since sliced bread, you are far from it, would not surprise me with all the bolsterous talk about businesses here and there you are probabaly sitting down there on the dole. If you do have a JV company here in Jakarta you might ought to read my posting on the business to business channel regarding JV's here. Hope you have covered yourself.

Main Entry: mis·give
Pronunciation: "mis-'giv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mis·gave /-'gAv/; mis·giv·en /-'gi-v&n/; -giv·ing
transitive senses : to suggest doubt or fear to
intransitive senses : to be fearful or apprehensive

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#29402 - 13 Mar 06 01:21 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You know Polar Ass, after reading your posts in this thread again early this morning, why do I get the distinct impression you are talking from a point of view of, what is it, Jealousy?

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#29403 - 13 Mar 06 01:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Happy Camper! or...Black Adder??(same guy?)
is "Iam your Batak Wife Bitch" your wife?
She sounds like you!
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#29404 - 13 Mar 06 06:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
You know Polar Ass, after reading your posts in this thread again early this morning, why do I get the distinct impression you are talking from a point of view of, what is it, Jealousy?
No, its called "disgust".

I have a hatred of hypocrisy…..

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#29405 - 13 Mar 06 06:03 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Happy Camper:
Yes and as I have been living and working in Jakarta for 18 years, one of the most told jokes here is the one about the shortest book in Australian history, the one involving ethics. Since you are on the ground there, exactly how many Australians were involved and how much money (I have heard over 300 million USD) was paid to the Iragi government under the table to buy Australian wheat?
From what i have been told the entire "aid for food" program was riddled with corruption. I believe there are some nasty little details of payments by some other countries that are about to come out....

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#29406 - 13 Mar 06 06:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
Instead of lookng with your smart mouth when you do not know the meaning of a word, try looking with your brain.

Although you may think and have convinced some of these airheards here you are the greatest thing since sliced bread, you are far from it, would not surprise me with all the bolsterous talk about businesses here and there you are probabaly sitting down there on the dole.
Ooooooooow

Am I supposed to be impressed or scared?

I am not "sitting on the dole". FYI I have never received any unemployment benefit in any country. I have been bloody hungry, and I have done some shitty jobs, but I have never sought or received any hand outs.

I am contract project manager. Its not the best job in the world – I wasn’t bright enough to get into law or medicine. But there it is.


However – since you wish to attack me, lets have it out.

a) Misgiven made no sense whatsoever in your first posting. It was just garbage. I questioned your use of the word because it was completely out of context.

“Misgiven ranting and raving” is a nonsensical statement. Hence my question on your interpretation of its meaning.

b) I note that you have replaced the word “misgiven” with “misdirected” – a clear indication that you have realised your error and corrected it.

c) I further note the following in your recent post:

“bolsterous talk about businesses”

Yes I know I make my share of typos, and I accept that you were busy, tired and not concentrating when you types this. But WTF is bolsterous?

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#29407 - 13 Mar 06 06:22 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Happy Camper:
living and working in Jakarta for 18 years,
You wouldnt be teaching English by any chance would you?

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#29408 - 13 Mar 06 06:50 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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oooo ... under the belt wink
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#29409 - 13 Mar 06 06:53 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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What round are on now?

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#29410 - 13 Mar 06 06:57 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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dunno ... let 'em rock till they drop ...

just as long as they keep playing the ball ... wink (yes, sometimes easier said than done ...)
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#29411 - 13 Mar 06 06:59 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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"blusterous"...perhaps?? smile
he wanted to say "the arrogant talk about business" who's this Black Adder dude btw?
who cares! this is not an english class, why worried about grammar!

Black Adder, you, as a brand newbie, that was a NICE introduction by attacking other member! :rolleyes:
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#29412 - 13 Mar 06 07:09 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Nothing disgusts me more than some ugly no hoper who cannot get a decent job/girl/life in his own country so he moves to JKT/BKK and “teaches English”.

In Victorian times wealthy English families would send idiot sons to Africa or Australia to avoid embarrassment. They were called “Remittance Men” because the family sent them a small sum of money each year to keep them away…..

http://www.fortsteele.bc.ca/exhibits/kootenay/ethnic/rmen.asp

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/36/messages/712.html

Today, fathers suggest teaching English in Jakarta.

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#29413 - 13 Mar 06 07:10 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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well BlackAdder called him on a few things, and PB has responded reasonably.

i think PB is only seeing part of the story in the matter of aceh aid money. from my perspective -- sitting here in central jakarta, and not in aceh itself -- most of the blame for the continued lack of progress in aceh lays with the Indonesians, in particular, the military, state intelligence, immigration, the moronic parliament, among others.

singling out the aid agencies is too easy, even if they do deserve a boot up the jacksy.
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#29414 - 13 Mar 06 07:12 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Noun 1. bolster - a pillow that is often put across a bed underneath the regular pillows
long pillow
pillow - a cushion to support the head of a sleeping person
Verb 1. bolster - support and strengthen; "bolster morale"
bolster up
reenforce, reinforce - make stronger; "he reinforced the concrete"
2. bolster - prop up with a pillow or bolster
prop, prop up, shore up, shore - support by placing against something solid or rigid; "shore and buttress an old building"
3. bolster - add padding to; "pad the seat of the chair"
pad
fill, fill up, make full - make full, also in a metaphorical sense; "fill a container"; "fill the child with pride"

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#29415 - 13 Mar 06 07:13 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Maybe he has been in JKT for too long, and developed the Indonesian habbit of creating slang words to suit himself.....

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#29416 - 13 Mar 06 07:21 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Like - Diff do daff mithchy coo the noo - Translated as "waynefuckyeresl" in Scottish?
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#29417 - 13 Mar 06 07:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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LOL...like "BACOT"?? I relly didn't know that bacot was just daily slang in Jakarta. What I heard that bacot is really a bad word and usually used by gangbangers or uneducated people. I need to live in Jakarta and learn more slangs smile
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#29418 - 13 Mar 06 07:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Very early on in my career i was involved in building a massive glass furnace in Liverpool. The bricklayers were from GS Blair in Glasgow, and were hardened Glaswegians. The labourers were local Liverpudlians. They were hardened Scouse lads.

I couldn’t understand what anyone was saying to me. For weeks I resorted to sign language and written notes. By the end of the project I could do a passable imitation of a luverpudlian and Glaswegian accent.

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#29419 - 13 Mar 06 07:30 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by wallet-digga':
LOL...like "BACOT"?? I relly didn't know that bacot was just daily slang in Jakarta. What I heard that bacot is really a bad word and usually used by gangbangers or uneducated people. I need to live in Jakarta and learn more slangs smile
"bacot snout; (Derogatory ) mouth
(kata tidak umum - not a commond word)

synonym / sinonim

moncong Snout, muzzle; spout; mouth bill
(kata sehari-hari - daily-use-word)

congor (Javanese) snout, muzzle
(kata sehari-hari - daily-use-word)

Definisi dalam bahasa Indonesia:
bacot mulut "

i can't say i've ever heard this word in everyday use ...
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#29420 - 13 Mar 06 07:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_slang_language

Vocabulary
Indonesian slang language structure is derived mainly from formal Indonesian language. Its vocabulary expands from a combination of derivatives or borrowing from other languages such as Hokkien, English, Dutch, or local ethnic languages such as Betawi, Sundanese, or Javanese. In many cases however, the vocabulary is not derived from anywhere at all.

According to Nyoman Riasa, some of the slang language vocabulary was transformed from formal Indonesian language through several way:

Nasalisation of active verb and adding -in at the end of the word, for example:
pikir (to think) into mikir
menanyakan (to ask) into nanyain
Adding -in at the end of the passive transitive verbs, for example:
diajari (to be taught) into diajarin
dipukuli (to be beaten) into dipukulin
Adding ke- at the beginning of passive intransitive verbs, instead of using ter-, for example:
tertangkap (to be caught) into ketangkep
terpeleset (to accidentally slip) into kepeleset
Eliminating one or few letters of the word, for example:
habis (depleted) into abis
tahu (know) into tau
Contraction of two or more words into one word, for example:
terima kasih (thank) into makasih
jaga image (to safeguard one's social image) into jaim
Replacing letter a into e in some words, for example:
benar (correct) into bener
pintar (smart) into pinter
Contracting diphthong into monosyllabic letter, for example:
kalau (if) into kalo
pakai (use) into pake
Some words are transliteration of English language, for example:

Sorry into sori
Friend into pren
Swear into suer
Many words also emerged without following the above rules at all. Sometime the words have their own unique history or origin.

Cuek (to ignore or to take something easy) - popularized by Ruth Sahanaya in her 80s hit Astaga!; probably derived from the Malay word cuai, that means negligent.
Do'i (boyfriend / girlfriend) - originated from the word dia (him/her) transformed by inserting letter o in the middle and deleting the last letter a. It is later transformed into Doski.
Bokep (pornographic film) - originated from abbreviation BF which means Blue Film. BF is read Be-Ef, which in its pidgin form is read as Be-Ep. The word Bokep obtained by inserting ok in between Be-Ep.
Jayus - A joke that is meant to be or sound funny, but it is not. It roughly means corny in English.
Jijay - which means disgusting. Sometimes to express a condition of very disgusting, it is used phrase Jijay Bajay. Same rules valid for Najis and Najis Jaya. (sometimes converted to 'ji-ji' when speaking to a child)
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General words and phrases
This entry will list words and phrases that are accepted formally as Indonesian slang, which are not region-specific (see below), and which are never considered as outdated.

Banget - (Formal: Sangat, Amat) Very
Bokap - (Formal: Bapak, Ayah) Father
Bonyok - (Formal: Orang Tua) Parents. Originated from a combination of Bokap and Nyokap
Gua, Gue, Wa - (Formal: Aku, Saya) I. Originated from Hokkien Wa which means I
Garing - A joke that is not funny. Literally means dry or crispy
Lu, Lo, Elu, Elo - (Formal: Engkau, Kau, Kamu) You. Originated from Hokkien Li which means You
Nggak, Gak - (Formal: Tidak) No
Nyokap - (Formal: Ibu, Bunda) Mother
Akika or Eike - (Formal: Aku) I; Kawanua - (Formal: Kamu, Kau) You and *Diese - (Formal: Dia) He/She. Usually these term are used by the transvestites. Eike was originated from Dutch Ik which means I
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Particles
Deh
Dong (sometimes spelt as Dunk)
Ding
Kan
Lah
Lagi
Sih
Nyah (in some teritory of North Sumatera)
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Sexual slangs
Belok - Gay
Bencong, Banci, Binan - Transvestite, Cross Dresser
Hombreng - Gay
Biji - Scrotum
Kontol, To'ol, Batang, Burung (=bird), Peli, Peler - Penis
Jembut - Pubic hair
Lines, Les Biola (originally means 'violin course'), Lesbong - Lesbian
Memek, Meki, Puki, Pepek - Vagina
Ngentot, Ngewe, Kentu - fornication, Fuck (also a swear word)
Coli - Masturbation. Originated from a combination of ngocok and peli. Literally means shaking the penis
Tete, Toket, Susu (=milk), - Breast
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Swear words
Anjing, Jing, Asu - Bitch. Literally means dog, and it is often used as an interjection.
Goblok - Stupid
Geblek - Stupid
Kampret - Jerk
Jangkrik - Damn
Ngentot - Fuck
Tai - Shit
Lonte - Prostitutes
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Vocabulary evolution
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Before 1980s
List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1980s:

Kumpul Kebo - Living together but not married, as in domestic partners
Bau Tanah - Old, Dying, Close to the end of use
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1980s
1980s is the era of bahasa prokem. In this era, slang language vocabulary was formed by inserting '-ok-' at the first syllable of a word, and deleting off the last syllable, creating totally new word.

For example, the word Bapak is broken into B-ok-apak and the last -ak is deleted, and the resulting word is Bokap which used as a slang for Father, even until now.

The word Sekolah (School) is transformed into Skokul, but this word is slowly become outdated and by 1990s the word is not used anymore. (currently transformed into simply: skul)

Notable words like memble, kece, sentence attribute Nih ye, exclamation Alamakjan! emerged in the 1980s decade.

List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1980s:

Do'i / Doski - Girlfriend / Boyfriend
Kece - Cute
Kuper - Acronym of Kurang Pergaulan which literally means not well socialised
Memble - Ugly, Sombre, Sad, Disappointed
Ngokar - To smoke
Ngegele - To smoke pot
Ogut - Me, I or Mine
Spokat - Shoes
Rokum - House or Home
Bo'il - Automobiles
Rese or Resek (both pronounced the same way) - Annoying, Intrusive
Gara - say to No or Not (7N)
Saik - Acronym of Asik (7N)
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1990s
List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1990s:

Bete - Bad mood, upset (from BT = Bad Temper)
Bo! - Exclamation word of no meaning
Dugem - Nightlife, an acronym of Dunia Gemerlap literally means Flashy World
Gile! - Exclamation word equals to crazy
Lagi - Exclamation word that is used at the end of a sentence as emphasis
Ngebo'at - To use drugs
Tajir - Rich
Jomblo - Single, no boy friend/ girlfriend.
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2000s
A genre of slang language in the 2000 originated from the Indonesian gay community, and popularized by Debby Sahertian in her Kamus Bahasa Gaul or 'Slang Language Dictionary'. The method of transforming a word is to use a different word which has a similar sound. For example, the word mau (want), is replaced by the word mawar which originally means rose. Hence the sentence became quite complicated to understand:

Akika tinta mawar Macarena originated from Aku tidak mau makan which means I do not want to eat

List of words and phrases commonly used in the 2000s:

Akika - I, me, myself
Borju - Rich, Pampered, Spoiled, or Show Off, a shorter form of the word Borjuis which came from the French word Bourgeois
Cupu - (Culun punya) Literally means lame
Dugem - (Dunia gemerlap) something or someone which is identical to nightlife activities or hedonism (ie. night clubs, rave parties)
Ember - (Emang Bener) Exclamation word to confirm something, means It is true or Indeed
Gak asik - Literally means uncool or not fun
Gak penting - Literally means not important or trivial
Geje - (GJ: Gak Jelas) Literally means not obvious
Gitu loh! - Exclamation word that is used at the end of a sentence as emphasis (eg. "So what, gitu loh!")
Jayus - A joke that is meant to be or sound funny, but it is not. It roughly means corny in English.
Kacian deh lo! - Pity you!
Pembokat - Literally means maid or servant
Plis dong ah! or Plis deh! - Oh, Please!
Secara - Literally means a la, but is used to substitute karena which means because
Sumpe lo? - Are you sure?
Sutra - Done
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Region specific slangs
The region specific slangs are arranged in alphabetical order.

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Bali slang
Bali language have 4 placement. 1. ASI 2. AMI 3. ASO 4. BK

Bali have special letter, 18 character. a, na, ca, ra, ka, da, ta, sa, wa, la, ma, ga, ba, nga, pa, ja, ya, nya.

Java letter have 20 character, Bali letter only have 18 character. it's lost 2 letter.


lanjutkan...

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Bandung slang
Bandung, is the city in west java with predominantly Sundanese culture. Sundanese language has three levels: High (polite), Normal, and Low (rough and impolite). Bandung slang mostly uses derivative of Low Sundanese words such as Aing, Maneh, etc.

One distinct characteristic in Bandung slang grammar is generous insertion of the word Anjing in a sentence. The word Anjing means Dog or Bitch, but its usage in Bandung slang is merely for emphasis and not as swearword.

For example: Nasi goreng Jalan Madura ngeunah pisan, anjing! which means Fried rice in Madura Street is really delicious, gosh!

However, Anjing is also used as swearword if used independently in a sentence. For example: Anjing Siah! means You Bitch!

Aing - I
Anjing, Anying, Njing - Bitch, generously used by inserting it in sentences NOT as swearwords but only as emphasis (see above)
Maneh - You
Goreng - Ugly
Heunceut - Female genital
Ngeunah - Nice
Ngewe - To fuck
Siah - You
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General Central Java slang
These slangs are shared across central Java (Semarang, Yogyakarta, Solo, and so forth)

Ndak -- No, not. Javanese rather use this word to say tidak in Bahasa Indonesia
Isa -- used by the javanese to indonesianize isa (pronounced as /is@/) which means bisa(=can, be able to) in Bahasa Indonesia
Mudheng -- Understand
Bojo - Boy friend/ girl friend. Originally in standard Javanese means spouse
Mbadok, Madang, Njeglag -- Eat, Having breakfast, lunch or dinner
Ora nggenah, Ora nggadeg - do not seems good / does not make sense
Piye, jal?, - Semarang term, means How about it?
Njur piye? - Kedu term, means How about next?
Yo mesti! - Semarang term, means Exactly, certainly
Semeh, sebeh - Semarang slang for Mother (Javanese= ibu) and Father (Javanese= bapak)
Yo, Karepmu - Same meaning with it's up to you
Isin -- Shy
Uelek tenan - very ugly
Gembelengan - moving around without any certain direction
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Jakarta slang
Akamsi -- stands for anak kampung sini (kids on the block)
Apong -- variation of sepong (to do oral sex to male)
Bang -- Call for male elder people
Bego -- Stupid
Berapa duit? or Berapaan? -- How much money?
Bokis -- Cheapskate in english.
Cokin/Cinko/Cinin -- Chinese Indonesian (derogatory term)
Doang -- Only
Dodol -- Stupid
Emang -- So / it is so. (Emangnya kenapa? = "So what?")
Gue or Gua or Gw -- I, me, myself
Jablay -- Whore
Jebé -- person with thick ugly lips
Jotos -- Punch
Kacau -- Mess (the usage is a little different from formal language)
Kenceng -- Fast (speed), fastened
Kipak -- cripple
Lempeng -- Straight (direction)
Lu or Lo or Elu or Elo -- You
Sip -- Okay
Siyok -- shocked, as in "Aduh siyok!" ("Oh, I am shocked!")
Tiko -- Indonesian native (derogatory term)
Yoy -- Same as Yo'i or Yo'a. It almost have no meaning, but you can use it as an OK answer.
Gokil -- Crazy or Insane (can be implied both in a positive or negative way)
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Malang slang
Malangese slang typically done by swapping syllables.

Kera -- Arek (= "men / boys")
Ngalam -- Malang (the city)
Arodam --Madura (Madurese)
Raijo -- derived from ojir (money)
Ngoceb -- derived from bencong (transvestite)
Nolab -- derived from balon (it means 'prostitute')
Kunam -- derived from manuk (bird or 'penis')
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Manado slang
Manado slang, also known as Logat Manado, is widely used throughout the North Sulawesi province. It is used casually in everyday life and sometimes used in formal occasions.

Many words are similar to the Indonesian language. See: Manado Malay.

Some of the simple words that visitors should know when they travel to Manado are:

oto; car

doi; money

kous; t-shirt

calana; pants

koi; bed

slop; sandals, flip flops

spatu/capatu; shoes

maitua ; girlfriend, a girl friend

paitua ; boyfriend, a guy friend


Some words and phrases that are more temporary mostly used by young people:

ba jao jo; go away!, get away!

ba ilang jo; get lost!

so gila stou; are you nuts!?

ajus ; mother (used among peers, not to parents)
sebe ; father

Tambio ; Hustler, Prostitute or Call Girl

oi to po?; right dude?
Sepang ; Setan Panggilan (Evil, Devil)

Ichat ; Iblis Catok (Devil Boy)

Alot ; Anak Lonte (Son/daughter of Hustler/Bitch)

Budo ; Budak Dosa (Slave Of Sin)


Some cuss words are:

pemar, pemai, cuki, cuki mai, pendo; there are no specific meanings to these words, they're just straight up cuss words

lonte; slut, hoe, whore
keode; damn!
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Medan slang
Selow - Came from the word Slow, means relax, cooling down, or calm down (e.g. "Selow" lah sikit pakcik.")
Sikit - Came from the word Sedikit, means a litle.
Sokam - A slang word for Dji Sam Soe Ciggarete
Bodat - Primate
Bondon - Whore
Tuncit - To fuck
Totong - Penis
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Jambi & Palembang slang
Kau - You
Dak - No/Incapibilities , e.g : 'Dak Jaleh' (Jaleh mean can) which mean say 'Cann't' to other people but in rude way
Cak - How
Pler - Came from word 'Peler' means 'Pennis'
Kentot, Ngentot - To Fuck
Pulak - Just additional word normally added at the end of sentences , e.g "Cak Mano Pulak" mean 'how it can be'
Mostly Jambi & Palembang slang language just change the letter at the end of the word with letter 'o' (but not all of the word can changed with o, mostly word which ended with 'a' letter can changed with 'o' Example :

Mana --> 'Mano'
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Pontianak slang
Pontianak slang is influenced by Malay, Teochew and Dayaknese. It is spoken in malay dialect.

oto; literally means auto which is car

bujur; (pronounced bujo) means straight (as in direction)

kam sia; derived from Teochew which means thank you

plaza; means the verb slap
tadak; (Bahasa Indonesia form tidak) which means no
lempok; (Bahasa Indonesia means dodol) which means cakes from cooked fruit
kalak; (Bahasa Indonesia means nanti) which means later.
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Surabaya slang
Some of the well known Surabayan slangs:

Dancuk, dancik, cuk, dancrit, jancuk -- fuck
Ndak -- No
Kenceng -- Fast (but not fasten, like Jakarta slang)
Banter -- Fast (speed)
Montor -- Car
Lontong -- Stupid, useless (lontong = name of traditional food made of rice, compare to Chinese "fan tong")
Congok -- Stupid
Gaplek -- Very annoying (gaplek = cassava)
Bokong -- Buttocks
Bujuk -- Lie (compare to the formal meaning: To persuade)
Budheg -- Deaf
Korak -- Thugs
Dableg -- Keep coming for more
Dolen -- To play
Reken, ngreken -- Attention, pay attention
Lonthe -- Prostitutes
Ngelonthe -- To sell ourselves
Matamu -- means Watch Your EYE! Usually used to express anger or unhappy feeling or situation
Ngencuk -- same as Ngentot or Fucking
Asu -- same as Anjing

Another characteristics of Surabayan slang is to add "u" before a vowel and stressed the word in a unique way to indicate superlative forms:

Buanyak -- Very very very much (banyak = much)
Buanjir -- Flood very very bad (banjir = flood)
Bueda -- Very very different (beda = different)
Buanget -- Very very very something (e.g. "Buanyak buanget" is much much more than just "banyak")
In the 1990s, there are a bunch of slangs that combines "lo" and the first syllable of a word, such as

Leken -- Motorcycle (originally from 'kendaraan' = 'vehicle')
Lomon -- Car (originally from 'montor')
Logob -- Stupid (from 'goblok')
Lokcong -- Stupid (from 'congok')
Lustup -- Stupid (from 'stupid')
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Yogyakarta slang
According to Aksara Jawa site, Yogyakarta slang is also known as Basa Walikan. It is a transformation from Javanese language, in which Javanese traditional character sequences are being switched with one another, using the formula below:

ha na ca ra ka =======> pa dha ja ya nya
da ta sa wa la =======> ma ga ba tha nga
pa dha ja ya nya =====> ha na ca ra ka
ma ga ba tha nga =====> da ta sa wa la
Using the above manner, the exclamation word Matamu! (which means: Your Eyes!) is transformed into Dagadu!.

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#29421 - 13 Mar 06 07:58 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
most of the blame for the continued lack of progress in aceh lays with the Indonesians, in particular, the military, state intelligence, immigration, the moronic parliament, among others.
But this is the point:

You can expect problems with local authorities. it would be foolhardy not to anticipate them. You resolve this issue by employing people who are capable of overcoming these hurdles.

The current catch 22 is simply this. There is a plethora of “experts” in Jakarta and Ache, and the projects are stalled in a mass of inactivity. If the “experts” were worth the money and achieved the objectives no one would complain. But to be paying all of this money and still have people living in tents 15 months later, whilst two workshops are held on "unsustainable timber" allocations to the project, is unacceptable.

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#29422 - 13 Mar 06 08:57 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:

In Victorian times wealthy English families would send idiot sons to Africa or Australia to avoid embarrassment. They were called “Remittance Men” because the family sent them a small sum of money each year to keep them away…..

http://www.fortsteele.bc.ca/exhibits/kootenay/ethnic/rmen.asp

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/36/messages/712.html

Well at least you know the history of your ancestors and why you are sitting on your polar ass in Sydney and not here with the real men working. BTW, I do not work anymore, don't have too, made all of mine now just in the slow lane enjoying time with the family.

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#29423 - 13 Mar 06 09:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_slang_language

Vocabulary
Indonesian slang language structure is derived mainly from formal Indonesian language. Its vocabulary expands from a combination of derivatives or borrowing from other languages such as Hokkien, English, Dutch, or local ethnic languages such as Betawi, Sundanese, or Javanese. In many cases however, the vocabulary is not derived from anywhere at all.

According to Nyoman Riasa, some of the slang language vocabulary was transformed from formal Indonesian language through several way:

is transformed into Dagadu!.
Hey Polar Ass, you sure got this cut and paste down to an art form, I am sure your ancestors would be proud of you, actually learned a trade did you, "cut and paste". Now who is the english teacher?

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#29424 - 13 Mar 06 09:05 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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ah..retired in Jakarta, cheap living isn't it?
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#29425 - 13 Mar 06 09:16 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You know as I have came to the conclusion many years ago, in Jakarta you can live as cheap or as expensive as you like. Now I could take the route and have a MEBV good for a year but I bought the USD 2500 package deal from Okusi and got the sit on my butt with no hassles KITAS package. I keep my mind active every night by trading stocks on the US stock market from my computer with a stock trading account with DBS Singapore. It is good to know that you can live cheap here but we do no have too.

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#29426 - 13 Mar 06 09:23 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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$2500.. thats it? .must have been an "on sale" package or okusi gave you a special discount? smile
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#29427 - 13 Mar 06 09:28 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
Hey Polar Ass, you sure got this cut and paste down to an art form, I am sure your ancestors would be proud of you, actually learned a trade did you, "cut and paste". Now who is the english teacher?
???????

I correctly attributed where I loaded it from, and did not pass it off as "my own work"…

So I am not sure what you point is?

I certainly have no idea what you are getting at –

“Learned a trade”?
“Now who is the English teacher?”


• If you want to discuss the technology behind GUI “cut and paste” I am quite happy to indulge you.

• Or if you wish to discuss English teaching I Asian countries, please go ahead.

• Alternatively if the ethics of un-attributed plagiarising of internet data is your beef, please let us know.

I think my friend, you have been over indulging. Go and have a lie down, and sleep it off. smile smile

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#29428 - 13 Mar 06 09:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Don't know actually, I asked and that is what I assume it was Kuku quoted and I paid. I mean I like negotiating but then in those circumstances, you get what you pay for and I wanted this to be semi-legal.

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#29429 - 13 Mar 06 09:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by wallet-digga':
$2500.. thats it? .must have been an "on sale package" or okusi gave you a special discount? smile
hey! you calling okusi cheap??! actually, he would have paid a total of USD2350 for the visa (USd1200 DPKK inclusive, plus immigration, manpower and sponsor fees), plus another USD100 for having an embassy stamp the visa into his passport.

compared to other countries, this ain't cheap, i can tell you! but that's what you have to pay if you want to stay in indonesia long-term without hassles.
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#29430 - 13 Mar 06 09:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Don't forget the 80 USD per MERP x 2 = 160 + 2350 = 2510 USD

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#29431 - 13 Mar 06 09:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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LOL....I didn't say that sayang..., BA wrote that amount here!
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#29432 - 13 Mar 06 09:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
You know as I have came to the conclusion many years ago, in Jakarta you can live as cheap or as expensive as you like. Now I could take the route and have a MEBV good for a year but I bought the USD 2500 package deal from Okusi and got the sit on my butt with no hassles KITAS package. I keep my mind active every night by trading stocks on the US stock market from my computer with a stock trading account with DBS Singapore. It is good to know that you can live cheap here but we do no have too.
Oh I’m sorry mate, I misunderstood you.

I didn’t know you were in JKT for the pollution free atmosphere of early morning, the traffic free hassles of getting around the city, the safety of living in a first world city, the security of living in a secular environment free of religious restrictions and interference. And of course you love living in a corruption free society, with social assistance and first world health systems. smile smile

I love Jakarta despite all of its problems. But I wouldn’t list it as my ideal retirement spot unless I was broke!

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#29433 - 13 Mar 06 09:37 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:

compared to other countries, this ain't cheap, i can tell you! but that's what you have to pay if you want to stay in indonesia long-term without hassles.
Try migrating to Australia (if you can get in). It costs a lot more.....

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#29434 - 13 Mar 06 09:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
Don't forget the 80 USD per MERP x 2 = 160 + 2350 = 2510 USD
oh yeah, the damn MERP. always a gotcha somewhere ...
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#29435 - 13 Mar 06 09:40 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I correctly attributed where I loaded it from, and did not pass it off as "my own work"…

So I am not sure what you point is?

I certainly have no idea what you are getting at –
“Learned a trade”?
“Now who is the English teacher?”

I think my friend, you have been over indulging. Go and have a lie down, and sleep it off. smile smile [/QB]
Actually with all of your cut and paste activity, I wonder if you have you an orignal thought besides telling the history of your ancestors and where you get all that ineptitude from. As for imbibing, an occasional beer now days but nothing over the top, maybe it is because my wife is walking around half nude going to take a shower, God the woman cuts a figure.

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#29436 - 13 Mar 06 09:48 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Try migrating to Australia (if you can get in). It costs a lot more..... [/QB][/QUOTE]

Actually I thought so too but recently I had an Indonesian freind over to think about doing some part time work on a little part time project here, he is probably one of the few Indonesian sales guy I woud trust and and as well he is efficient and with a good head on his shoulders but he said He would be happy to do it except he will leave Jakarta for good and migrate to Aus. He said he took the cheapest road possible and was approved recently, his family has already left and he will follow in a few months. My Brother-in-Law (a Jordanian) just recently went the same route and I found out they are now approved as well, both guys with families and no investment just filling out the paperwork and passing the medical and presto majic in like flint.

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#29437 - 13 Mar 06 09:50 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I wonder if you have you an orignal thought besides telling the history of your ancestors and where you get all that ineptitude from. As for imbibing, an occasional beer now days but nothing over the top, maybe it is because my wife is walking around half nude going to take a shower, God the woman cuts a figure.
LOL - I think women do it on purpose!!!

Makes a guy forget breakfast and think of other things.

Original thoughts - hmmmmmmm

Not many of them left in the world these days. not truly original ones anyway. We live in a society when progress is measured on compliance to pre-existing ideas. I dropped out of a course once because I refused to accept the left wing ideology of my Supervisor.

Inept? Your opinion mate, and to be honest, it doesn’t sound like it counts for much.

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#29438 - 13 Mar 06 09:59 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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But if you are really interested in original thought, do you have any position on the concept of infinity?

We could discuss it for days. I developed a really good “swinging pen” analogy to explain how the sum of chaos must equal order – when infinity exists.

We could discuss how it fits in with the Chudnovsky Brothers and their search for numeric patterns in Pi. Or we could look at how it could intermesh with Borges “Library of Babel”.

Or we could forget the insults and the egos, and just go down to the Sportsmans and have a beer. smile smile

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#29439 - 13 Mar 06 10:00 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Oh I’m sorry mate, I misunderstood you.

I didn’t know you were in JKT for the pollution free atmosphere of early morning, the traffic free hassles of getting around the city, the safety of living in a first world city, the security of living in a secular environment free of religious restrictions and interference. And of course you love living in a corruption free society, with social assistance and first world health systems. smile smile

I love Jakarta despite all of its problems. But I wouldn’t list it as my ideal retirement spot unless I was broke! [/QB]
I live here for many reasons, we have an established life and home here, friends and family are here, we actually like the city and I do not have move back to my home country because I have too or I crave the security of a western society like some. I am not even 50 yet so I am still young enough to handle the big city, even drive myself, not becuase I have too but because I want too. Bet you tell all the mates in the pub back home about how you have a car and driver when you come to Jakarta. Be a brave little boy next time and get behind the wheel and enjoy it like I do. My wife has her own car as well, a big-ass Ford Everest to be exact and she refuses a driver as well. Bottom line is we enjoy living here.

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#29440 - 13 Mar 06 10:11 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You are right – I have never driven in Jakarta. Mind you I was dating a 42kg girl in JKT for a while. She drives to work every day, its no big deal.

I have driven in Bombay and BKK. Pretty much the same….

I normally use cabs – or at night Bajajs.

I can understand you enjoying living in Jakarta. Despite its problems and peculiarities, its still a great place.

Where you there in 98? Did you get out or ride it out? Not point scoring here, I am genuinely curious about that period of time and what happened.

Brave boy? I’m not brave. Never said I was…..

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#29441 - 13 Mar 06 10:13 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I dont think I've ever seen a "big-ass Ford Everest".Is it a specially made custom job?
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#29442 - 13 Mar 06 10:22 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I have seen some big asses IN Ford Everests.... smile

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#29443 - 13 Mar 06 10:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Actually I thought so too but recently I had an Indonesian freind over to think about doing some part time work on a little part time project here, he is probably one of the few Indonesian sales guy I woud trust and and as well he is efficient and with a good head on his shoulders but he said He would be happy to do it except he will leave Jakarta for good and migrate to Aus. He said he took the cheapest road possible and was approved recently, his family has already left and he will follow in a few months. My Brother-in-Law (a Jordanian) just recently went the same route and I found out they are now approved as well, both guys with families and no investment just filling out the paperwork and passing the medical and presto majic in like flint.
that is a suprise! I moved to Australia 20 years ago, and I thought it had got harder....

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#29444 - 13 Mar 06 12:41 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Where you there in 98? Did you get out or ride it out? Not point scoring here, I am genuinely curious about that period of time and what happened.
I was and I was wasn't. I was here Wednesday and Thursday when the trouble broke out. I heard there was trouble on the streets but kept plugging away at the office (over at Pasar Minggu and Soepomo, finally left there around 14:00 and My gf at the time was working for Coca Cola down on Sudirman so I drove over to pick her up as she lived with me. It was a mad house down there, finally found her via handphone and we went home, at the time our house was 300m from the Indonesian version of the CIA over in Kalibata so I knew no trouble would come over there. We stayed in on Thursday as it was still going crazy but I figured they would settle down on the day of prayer so I got up early and drove all around Jakarta looking at the destruction but with a plan to be back at the house before prayers let out as I figured it could go either way. Just as I got back home, my boss called me on my handphone and said they were evacuating Sunday and if I wanted to come he would put me down on the list. I told him him sure if I could bring the gf along and he agreed, so a free trip to Singapore, free hotel room in the Weston Plaza for a week and all meals paid for plus they threw in SGD 500 cash on top of that, yeah sure why not evacuate but we really did not have to but when your boss calls and asks and it was either that or go in to the office the next few days, well you figure it out.

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#29445 - 13 Mar 06 12:47 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Or we could forget the insults and the egos, and just go down to the Sportsmans and have a beer. smile smile
I will do one better, send me an email address for yourself and when you are coming and you can come to the house and see how we live in our deprived, meager and squalor conditions. But you have to like Corona.

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#29446 - 13 Mar 06 12:57 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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that is a suprise! I moved to Australia 20 years ago, and I thought it had got harder.... [/QUOTE]

Yes it surprised me as well with all you hear here on CNN about Hanson and her racist ways but then she is in jail now if memory serves, hope the home girls are showing her a good time.

Now to get back to my original point, if you are cheesed at these consultants then why just complain down there where it does no good, complain to The Jakarta Post here and let them publish this crap, people will take note.

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#29447 - 13 Mar 06 13:02 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
that is a suprise! I moved to Australia 20 years ago, and I thought it had got harder....
Yes it surprised me as well with all you hear here on CNN about Hanson and her racist ways but then she is in jail now if memory serves, hope the home girls are showing her a good time.

Now to get back to my original point, if you are cheesed at these consultants then why just complain down there where it does no good, complain to the Jakarta Post here and let them publish this crap, people will take note. [/QUOTE]
well, as a former copy editor of The Jakarta Post, i can tell you that it will make not one squat of difference. JP is an extremely low-circulation (25,000) paper that is universally ignored by the indonesian elite.

is hanson really in jail?? i thought she got off on a technicality ...
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#29448 - 13 Mar 06 13:05 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I dont think I've ever seen a "big-ass Ford Everest".Is it a specially made custom job?
No actually but to my wife it is her "Black Bitch" It is Black without the silver fenders as they do all those things, she wanted something different so I had the dealer where I bought it paint it all black for her little 44 kg or is it 45 kg frame(she does keep me informed me in the mornings once she weighs but as she is always complaining like all wives that I never listen so as to not to disappoint I always ask what she said)

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#29449 - 13 Mar 06 13:09 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
that is a suprise! I moved to Australia 20 years ago, and I thought it had got harder....
Yes it surprised me as well with all you hear here on CNN about Hanson and her racist ways but then she is in jail now if memory serves, hope the home girls are showing her a good time.

Now to get back to my original point, if you are cheesed at these consultants then why just complain down there where it does no good, complain to the Jakarta Post here and let them publish this crap, people will take note.
well, as a former copy editor of The Jakarta Post, i can tell you that it will make not one squat of difference. JP is an extremely low-circulation (25,000) paper that is universally ignored by the indonesian elite.

is hanson really in jail?? i thought she got off on a technicality ... [/QUOTE]

Maybe the elite will change their opinion once they find out you have left the employ of the JP an not putting youe spin on things? What do you think man who holds my legal documents in his hand?

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#29450 - 13 Mar 06 13:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hanson was released on appeal. It really was a trumped up charge - arguing about esoteric matters such as supporter V member. considering the blatent branch stacking that goes on with other parties, it really was a political set up.

I actually voted for her, and would do so again.

I am not convinced that a charity would take notice of the JP, but i will write a letter.

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#29451 - 13 Mar 06 13:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I would write the letter because I know how many of these fortune 500 companies are contributing to this yayasan or that foundaton thinking the money is being used properly, I do not suggest that stop giving is the answer but to do some due dilegence in their donations. I mean we all know that a little goes a long way here but some of these so called CEO's and CFO's are making contributions locally that would be normal back home but a kings ransom here. They literally are still living in another world.

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#29452 - 13 Mar 06 13:51 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hanson was released on appeal. It really was a trumped up charge - arguing about esoteric matters such as supporter V member. considering the blatent branch stacking that goes on with other parties, it really was a political set up.

I actually voted for her, and would do so again.

I am not convinced that a charity would take notice of the JP, but i will write a letter.
Damn why woud you support her, she is a racist from all I have read about her. And if the big boys used politics to set her up it was only because she was a huge embarassment for your country.

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#29453 - 13 Mar 06 14:20 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I am not sure, but would suspect that these companies can offset the contribution against tax at the highest rate on a global basis.

I certainly agree that due diligence is required. Unfortunately the "tax offset" status tend to leave the donor company disinterested in what is actually achieved with the dollars.

I also agree about expat CEO/CFOs living in insular “ivory towers” all over Asia, and not fully appreciating the value of money in the local economy.

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#29454 - 13 Mar 06 14:27 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I can vouch for 2 things here, Wallet Digger is not Ingritt Brown, Ingritt Brown is uneducated and Wallet Digger seems to have some education and her English is better than Ms. Brown.

The 2nd is that "Your bitchy Batak wife" is NOT my Bitchy Batak Wife, mine does not like a computer except when she really needs it and comes and gves me kisses every time I sit at mine trying to get me away from it.

you are fuckin A$$hole bastard man! seems that you make my beer warm. I hate to drink Warm beer!
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#29455 - 13 Mar 06 14:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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why woud you support her, she is a racist from all I have read about her.
she was actually very misrepresented. The very name of her Party "Australia First", implied that Australians should put Australia first. I find it hard to disagree with that.

Many people use Australian residency or citizenship as a “flag of convenience”. A few years ago I met a very pleasant Chinese businessman who could not speak a word of English, lived in Beijing, and visited Australia for 2 weeks each year. He proudly showed me his Australian passport, and told me (via my Chinese GF) that he felt safe running his business empire in china so long as he held his Australian passport. I don’t think this was in the spirit of accepting citizenship (it is worth noting that he doesn’t pay a cent in tax for his citizenship).

This was the sort of thing Hanson was against. Her stance has now been accepted by the major parties. There are now discussions over longer residency requirements for citizenship to prevent the situation I mentioned above. There is also talk of US or UK style citizenship requirements, including a grasp of English language, an understanding of Australian laws etc.

I am not racist – although to my shame I was racist until a few years ago. I am a migrant myself, and I have helped and encouraged other people to migrate to Australia. We need more young Australians, but the emphasis is on Australians. Not hyphenated English-Australians, Turkish-Australians, Iraqi-Australians. But Australians. This was all Hanson stood for.

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#29456 - 13 Mar 06 14:37 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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seems that you make my beer warm. [/b]
WOW - the insults are flying today.

Beer warmers beware smile smile

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#29457 - 13 Mar 06 14:46 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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[QUOTE]Maybe the elite will change their opinion once they find out you have left the employ of the JP an not putting youe spin on things? What do you think man who holds my legal documents in his hand?
well, i only left The Jakarta Post less than a month ago ... i could no longer afford to be there, frankly, despite really enjoying the work.

regardless of my status at JP, i rather doubt that anything printed in that paper would have any influence whatsoever upon elite opinion. Kompas, on the other hand, is quite another thing, but being as they are an establishment paper i doubt they would want to rock the boat.
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#29458 - 13 Mar 06 14:50 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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seems that you make my beer warm.
WOW - the insults are flying today.

Beer warmers beware smile smile [/b]
Iam just trying to remind him, if he wants to fight with me, he better wearing a miniskirt and eye liner!
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#29459 - 13 Mar 06 14:54 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Yes, i understand. How nice!

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#29460 - 13 Mar 06 14:59 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Yes, i understand. How nice!
hmmm... since you read that my profile is a married woman i don't think you gonna PM me. but please answer me honesty.. how many girls you have their phone number that you have been send her naughty messages & how many girl you have send your pics in your army uniform??
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#29461 - 13 Mar 06 15:08 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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1. I have very few Indonesian girls phone numbers. Possibly 3 or 4. I worked in Japan for a while, and have lots of Japanese girls numbers (and photos)

2. I never send naughty messages. I sometimes flirt mildly with girls via SMS, or call them.

3. My photograph in army uniform? I posted a link somewhere on this site. I have sent some girls photographs of me in uniform (and naked). Possibly 3-4 Indonesian girls.

But I am just a boring old bule. There are a lot of more interesting guys here now. Men like Black Adder, Dumb Bule, and Home Comforts would be more worthy of your attention.

PS - I had not bothered looking at your profile.

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#29462 - 13 Mar 06 15:15 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
1. I have very few Indonesian girls phone numbers. Possibly 3 or 4. I worked in Japan for a while, and have lots of Japanese girls numbers (and photos)

2. I never send naughty messages. I sometimes flirt mildly with girls via SMS, or call them.

3. My photograph in army uniform? I posted a link somewhere on this site. I have sent some girls photographs of me in uniform (and naked). Possibly 3-4 Indonesian girls.

But I am just a boring old bule. There are a lot of more interesting guys here now. Men like Black Adder, Dumb Bule, and Home Comforts would be more worthy of your attention.

PS - I had not bothered looking at your profile.
sound's like that you are a model for army uniform.

Iam not interesting with your offer about some guys you have mentioned. and iam not looking for attention here. i have never been know them. but i think they are not smartest one including you. thank's to show me that your intelligence does not good match with mine.
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#29463 - 13 Mar 06 15:30 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I bow down to your superior intelligence. I am just a stupid Polar Bear floating on my iceberg. smile

I assume you will not pester me again, thus achieving my objective….

Bye…….

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#29464 - 13 Mar 06 15:32 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I bow down to your superior intelligence. I am just a stupid Polar Bear floating on my iceberg. smile

I assume you will not pester me again, thus achieving my objective….

Bye…….
You, Bend over!
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#29465 - 13 Mar 06 16:06 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by Black Adder:
[QUOTE]Maybe the elite will change their opinion once they find out you have left the employ of the JP an not putting youe spin on things? What do you think man who holds my legal documents in his hand?
well, i only left The Jakarta Post less than a month ago ... i could no longer afford to be there, frankly, despite really enjoying the work.

regardless of my status at JP, i rather doubt that anything printed in that paper would have any influence whatsoever upon elite opinion. Kompas, on the other hand, is quite another thing, but being as they are an establishment paper i doubt they would want to rock the boat.
Don't think many here want to rock the boat, they just want the good times and corruption money to keep rolling on, heard anything else thru the Grapevine concerning the 5 million USD found in the ex president of Mandiri's Swiss bank account, did he move the moeny before they were able to seize it?

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#29466 - 13 Mar 06 16:14 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I am ashamed to be "Black Adder"


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I can vouch for 2 things here, Wallet Digger is not Ingritt Brown, Ingritt Brown is uneducated and Wallet Digger seems to have some education and her English is better than Ms. Brown.

The 2nd is that "Your bitchy Batak wife" is NOT my Bitchy Batak Wife, mine does not like a computer except when she really needs it and comes and gves me kisses every time I sit at mine trying to get me away from it.

you are fuckin A$$hole bastard man! seems that you make my beer warm. I hate to drink Warm beer!
Yes Yes Love, you have had a hard day, you need a rest, now go along back to your room with those men in the white coats and let them give you something to help you sleep. No No the bars on your room windows are to help to keep people out not you in, now run along and do what the good men tell you

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#29467 - 13 Mar 06 16:14 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You, Bend over!
My dear, I thought you would understand. I have no desire to chat to you. Don’t take it personally, just don’t bother posting to me.

As for "bending over" - dear, if you were the last girl on the planet I would hack off my own sausage in case it stood up for you.

so its goodbye from me, and hopefully goodbye from the bitch.

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#29468 - 13 Mar 06 16:16 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I have to concur with PB on Hanson as I'm also a migrant here from an Asian background. However, I do object to the way her campaign was formulated. She was not clear enough in conveying her points towards the voters. Also, tagging along with her were the rednecks who came out of the woodworks to spoil it for her.

I felt Hanson herself was not a racist and I did not feel intimidated at the time.

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#29469 - 13 Mar 06 16:17 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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you have no desire to chat to me as you say so but why you interupted for being sarcastic with me and my disscussion on the up close & personal room?? i don't interested in any of your comments at all. you are not a gentlement
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#29470 - 13 Mar 06 16:23 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I have to concur with PB on Hanson as I'm also a migrant here from an Asian background. However, I do object to the way her campaign was formulated. She was not clear enough in conveying her points towards the voters. Also, tagging along with her were the rednecks who came out of the woodworks to spoil it for her.

I felt Hanson herself was not a racist and I did not feel intimidated at the time.
I think you hit the nail on the head with her poor conveying of policies in her campaign, and the lunatic rednecks who joined up.

Are you going to the festival on Saturday? should be a good afternoon.

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#29471 - 13 Mar 06 16:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Hey Polar Bear, bad news, You are not a gentlement!!! Let that be a lesson to you. What exactly is one of these things anyway?

As for Hanson, I guess everything is distorted a little on CNN

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#29472 - 13 Mar 06 16:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I suspected as much.....

I think I am going to cry smile

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#29473 - 13 Mar 06 16:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Isn't there too much hatred already around the world. Chill out... wink
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#29474 - 13 Mar 06 16:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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But....

but....

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Im not a Gentlement

Bwaaaaaaaaaa

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#29475 - 13 Mar 06 17:14 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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No you are not and I for one am ashamed I was trading posts with someone that is not a Gentlement

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#29476 - 13 Mar 06 17:36 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Goblok - Stupid
Geblek - Stupid
Kampret - Jerk
Jangkrik - Damn
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Oh my god this sound like my husband when he fixes the car!
I was in Jakarta in 98. Married to a chinese indonesian and pregnant, with the ruko in senen ok( thankyou longtime residents-they dont dare torch any thing there because of them and because we PAID)
and the warehouse in Glodok BURNT.
Lived in Kemayoran.
And the trouble started way before the riots, at least for the chinese, at that time. We were next to megas supporters house in kemayoran, and they told us watch it . That actually was Dec 97.

We still have a wall out the back ( yes right near pasar senen/terminal bis) that says "cina anjing." Nobody ever got rid of it.Nearby they burnt out the vermicilli factory.
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#29477 - 13 Mar 06 18:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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I thought the slang post was good. Others did not agree..... (not sure why, but there it is)

I seemed to miss the riots. I was in my last semsester of my MBA and I crammed in a lot of subjects to get the bloody thing over smile

Or maybe it just had no coverage down here.

Interesting era. The year of living dangerously. Part 2.

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#29478 - 13 Mar 06 19:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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its kinda boring conversation here, lets get another topic to be discussed

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#29479 - 13 Mar 06 21:34 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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POst one benner, they are under new topics on the front page, if its good, everyone joins in!
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#29480 - 14 Mar 06 13:12 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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hey.benner..wanna get naked? :p
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#29481 - 14 Mar 06 13:22 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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he's just a one night stand guy smile
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#29482 - 14 Mar 06 16:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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LOL...like "BACOT"?? I relly didn't know that bacot was just daily slang in Jakarta. What I heard that bacot is really a bad word and usually used by gangbangers or uneducated people. I need to live in Jakarta and learn more slangs smile
oh thanx God digga', if you understood of the Bacot meaning..because of "Bacot" I coudn't slept... I always thought of you..
you know that "bacot word" it's not only used by ganbangers but the all comedians on tv always used that words smile
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#29483 - 14 Mar 06 19:44 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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its kinda boring conversation here, lets get another topic to be discussed
Hey, Benner! Are you lost in here? Just say my name then I'll be there for you.. wink
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#29484 - 14 Mar 06 19:51 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Benner has left the building.

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#29485 - 14 Mar 06 20:05 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Benner has left the building.
Too bad... frown Foreplay hasn't even been started! frown :rolleyes:
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#29486 - 14 Mar 06 20:10 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Too late, the foreplay has started, the woman of my dreams has begun to kiss me from head to toe, in my electronic dreams of course, Salamat Tidur, effinn lizard is barking again!
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#29487 - 14 Mar 06 20:17 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Ih Dilli, kamu suka berselingkuh dalam khayalanmu ya... Hope your wife doesn't walk in on your electronic dreams! wink

Selamat tidur, Dilli! Semoga mendapat 'mimpi basah'. smile
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#29488 - 14 Mar 06 20:19 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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No chance, she has gone for the night, told you before, we live separate lives,,,,and now I must truly eff of to bed!
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#29489 - 14 Mar 06 20:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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No chance, she has gone for the night, told you before, we live separate lives,,,
Pardon me, Dilli, I don't get "we live saparate lives". Ah I missed the boat... frown (no need to tell me)

Sleep tight! smile

...you're a kinda man of my dreams.... wink
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#29490 - 14 Mar 06 20:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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ahh..BDPP, I got him first :p
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#29491 - 14 Mar 06 20:52 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Ah Ruby, don't be jealous dong. He's all yours and his wife's.. wink

I could just be his 'spare baby' laugh
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#29492 - 14 Mar 06 21:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Should I be Angeline Jollie or Jennifer Anniston?
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#29493 - 14 Mar 06 21:23 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Should I be Angeline Jollie or Jennifer Anniston?
OMG! So, Dilli is like Brad Pitt?? I imagine he is.. wink

If you were Angelina Jollie, then Dilli had to kick his wife out... Ah jangan begitu dong... Kasihan Dilli's wife and son frown
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#29494 - 15 Mar 06 04:42 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Dilli, I can asure you, looks nothing like Brad Pitt, wish I had his money though.
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#29495 - 15 Mar 06 05:48 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Dilli, I mean Brad is off to work, will check back later to see how badly behaved I have ben!
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#29496 - 15 Mar 06 05:55 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Bloody typical, as soon as oil men hit town the girls start fighting over them!

When IT men hit town little old ladies come trotting up with some crappy old XT with a virus on it......

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#29497 - 15 Mar 06 06:03 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
Bloody typical, as soon as oil men hit town the girls start fighting over them!

When IT men hit town little old ladies come trotting up with some crappy old XT with a virus on it......
Driving old FJs.

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#29498 - 15 Mar 06 07:01 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Ah, the joys of being a rufty tufty Rig Pig, what to do?
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#29499 - 15 Mar 06 18:38 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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No worries about being Australian... You're not alone!

From http://newsbbc.co.uk

Oxfam says Aceh money 'missing'

The UK-based aid organisation Oxfam has temporarily shut down some of its operations in the tsunami-devastated Indonesian province of Aceh.

Oxfam said it had found evidence that money had gone missing.

Despite widespread fears that aid money for Aceh would be lost to corruption, this is the first time there has been any solid indication of graft.

Oxfam said it hoped to have its programmes back up and running in the next few weeks.

Oxfam discovered the money was missing in an internal audit.

Oxfam says it has shut down its non-emergency programmes in the districts of Banda Aceh and neighbouring Aceh Besar after finding evidence that money had gone missing.

Its large house-building and livelihood support programmes will be worst affected, but the agency says it will continue delivering vital supplies of drinking water to the displaced and clearing rubbish to avoid causing immediate hardship to its beneficiaries.

Reassurance

Oxfam is still investigating how much money has gone missing and how it was taken, but says it believes that it could amount to tens of thousands of dollars out of an overall budget of some £30m last year.

The agency says it hopes to resume the programmes as soon as the investigation is finished.

Despite government attempts to curb corruption, Indonesia has a reputation for entrenched graft at all levels of society.

Given the fears that donated money would go missing, aid organisations like Oxfam have put extraordinary controls in place to spot any irregularities.

Observers say that Oxfam's readiness to report its suspicions and address the problem - and the fact that no solid evidence of corruption has emerged else where - is likely to reassure donors rather than put them off.
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