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#29415 - 13 Mar 06 07:13 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Maybe he has been in JKT for too long, and developed the Indonesian habbit of creating slang words to suit himself.....

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#29416 - 13 Mar 06 07:21 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Like - Diff do daff mithchy coo the noo - Translated as "waynefuckyeresl" in Scottish?
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#29417 - 13 Mar 06 07:26 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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LOL...like "BACOT"?? I relly didn't know that bacot was just daily slang in Jakarta. What I heard that bacot is really a bad word and usually used by gangbangers or uneducated people. I need to live in Jakarta and learn more slangs smile
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#29418 - 13 Mar 06 07:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Very early on in my career i was involved in building a massive glass furnace in Liverpool. The bricklayers were from GS Blair in Glasgow, and were hardened Glaswegians. The labourers were local Liverpudlians. They were hardened Scouse lads.

I couldn’t understand what anyone was saying to me. For weeks I resorted to sign language and written notes. By the end of the project I could do a passable imitation of a luverpudlian and Glaswegian accent.

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#29419 - 13 Mar 06 07:30 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by wallet-digga':
LOL...like "BACOT"?? I relly didn't know that bacot was just daily slang in Jakarta. What I heard that bacot is really a bad word and usually used by gangbangers or uneducated people. I need to live in Jakarta and learn more slangs smile
"bacot snout; (Derogatory ) mouth
(kata tidak umum - not a commond word)

synonym / sinonim

moncong Snout, muzzle; spout; mouth bill
(kata sehari-hari - daily-use-word)

congor (Javanese) snout, muzzle
(kata sehari-hari - daily-use-word)

Definisi dalam bahasa Indonesia:
bacot mulut "

i can't say i've ever heard this word in everyday use ...
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#29420 - 13 Mar 06 07:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_slang_language

Vocabulary
Indonesian slang language structure is derived mainly from formal Indonesian language. Its vocabulary expands from a combination of derivatives or borrowing from other languages such as Hokkien, English, Dutch, or local ethnic languages such as Betawi, Sundanese, or Javanese. In many cases however, the vocabulary is not derived from anywhere at all.

According to Nyoman Riasa, some of the slang language vocabulary was transformed from formal Indonesian language through several way:

Nasalisation of active verb and adding -in at the end of the word, for example:
pikir (to think) into mikir
menanyakan (to ask) into nanyain
Adding -in at the end of the passive transitive verbs, for example:
diajari (to be taught) into diajarin
dipukuli (to be beaten) into dipukulin
Adding ke- at the beginning of passive intransitive verbs, instead of using ter-, for example:
tertangkap (to be caught) into ketangkep
terpeleset (to accidentally slip) into kepeleset
Eliminating one or few letters of the word, for example:
habis (depleted) into abis
tahu (know) into tau
Contraction of two or more words into one word, for example:
terima kasih (thank) into makasih
jaga image (to safeguard one's social image) into jaim
Replacing letter a into e in some words, for example:
benar (correct) into bener
pintar (smart) into pinter
Contracting diphthong into monosyllabic letter, for example:
kalau (if) into kalo
pakai (use) into pake
Some words are transliteration of English language, for example:

Sorry into sori
Friend into pren
Swear into suer
Many words also emerged without following the above rules at all. Sometime the words have their own unique history or origin.

Cuek (to ignore or to take something easy) - popularized by Ruth Sahanaya in her 80s hit Astaga!; probably derived from the Malay word cuai, that means negligent.
Do'i (boyfriend / girlfriend) - originated from the word dia (him/her) transformed by inserting letter o in the middle and deleting the last letter a. It is later transformed into Doski.
Bokep (pornographic film) - originated from abbreviation BF which means Blue Film. BF is read Be-Ef, which in its pidgin form is read as Be-Ep. The word Bokep obtained by inserting ok in between Be-Ep.
Jayus - A joke that is meant to be or sound funny, but it is not. It roughly means corny in English.
Jijay - which means disgusting. Sometimes to express a condition of very disgusting, it is used phrase Jijay Bajay. Same rules valid for Najis and Najis Jaya. (sometimes converted to 'ji-ji' when speaking to a child)
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General words and phrases
This entry will list words and phrases that are accepted formally as Indonesian slang, which are not region-specific (see below), and which are never considered as outdated.

Banget - (Formal: Sangat, Amat) Very
Bokap - (Formal: Bapak, Ayah) Father
Bonyok - (Formal: Orang Tua) Parents. Originated from a combination of Bokap and Nyokap
Gua, Gue, Wa - (Formal: Aku, Saya) I. Originated from Hokkien Wa which means I
Garing - A joke that is not funny. Literally means dry or crispy
Lu, Lo, Elu, Elo - (Formal: Engkau, Kau, Kamu) You. Originated from Hokkien Li which means You
Nggak, Gak - (Formal: Tidak) No
Nyokap - (Formal: Ibu, Bunda) Mother
Akika or Eike - (Formal: Aku) I; Kawanua - (Formal: Kamu, Kau) You and *Diese - (Formal: Dia) He/She. Usually these term are used by the transvestites. Eike was originated from Dutch Ik which means I
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Particles
Deh
Dong (sometimes spelt as Dunk)
Ding
Kan
Lah
Lagi
Sih
Nyah (in some teritory of North Sumatera)
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Sexual slangs
Belok - Gay
Bencong, Banci, Binan - Transvestite, Cross Dresser
Hombreng - Gay
Biji - Scrotum
Kontol, To'ol, Batang, Burung (=bird), Peli, Peler - Penis
Jembut - Pubic hair
Lines, Les Biola (originally means 'violin course'), Lesbong - Lesbian
Memek, Meki, Puki, Pepek - Vagina
Ngentot, Ngewe, Kentu - fornication, Fuck (also a swear word)
Coli - Masturbation. Originated from a combination of ngocok and peli. Literally means shaking the penis
Tete, Toket, Susu (=milk), - Breast
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Swear words
Anjing, Jing, Asu - Bitch. Literally means dog, and it is often used as an interjection.
Goblok - Stupid
Geblek - Stupid
Kampret - Jerk
Jangkrik - Damn
Ngentot - Fuck
Tai - Shit
Lonte - Prostitutes
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Vocabulary evolution
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Before 1980s
List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1980s:

Kumpul Kebo - Living together but not married, as in domestic partners
Bau Tanah - Old, Dying, Close to the end of use
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1980s
1980s is the era of bahasa prokem. In this era, slang language vocabulary was formed by inserting '-ok-' at the first syllable of a word, and deleting off the last syllable, creating totally new word.

For example, the word Bapak is broken into B-ok-apak and the last -ak is deleted, and the resulting word is Bokap which used as a slang for Father, even until now.

The word Sekolah (School) is transformed into Skokul, but this word is slowly become outdated and by 1990s the word is not used anymore. (currently transformed into simply: skul)

Notable words like memble, kece, sentence attribute Nih ye, exclamation Alamakjan! emerged in the 1980s decade.

List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1980s:

Do'i / Doski - Girlfriend / Boyfriend
Kece - Cute
Kuper - Acronym of Kurang Pergaulan which literally means not well socialised
Memble - Ugly, Sombre, Sad, Disappointed
Ngokar - To smoke
Ngegele - To smoke pot
Ogut - Me, I or Mine
Spokat - Shoes
Rokum - House or Home
Bo'il - Automobiles
Rese or Resek (both pronounced the same way) - Annoying, Intrusive
Gara - say to No or Not (7N)
Saik - Acronym of Asik (7N)
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1990s
List of words and phrases commonly used in the 1990s:

Bete - Bad mood, upset (from BT = Bad Temper)
Bo! - Exclamation word of no meaning
Dugem - Nightlife, an acronym of Dunia Gemerlap literally means Flashy World
Gile! - Exclamation word equals to crazy
Lagi - Exclamation word that is used at the end of a sentence as emphasis
Ngebo'at - To use drugs
Tajir - Rich
Jomblo - Single, no boy friend/ girlfriend.
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2000s
A genre of slang language in the 2000 originated from the Indonesian gay community, and popularized by Debby Sahertian in her Kamus Bahasa Gaul or 'Slang Language Dictionary'. The method of transforming a word is to use a different word which has a similar sound. For example, the word mau (want), is replaced by the word mawar which originally means rose. Hence the sentence became quite complicated to understand:

Akika tinta mawar Macarena originated from Aku tidak mau makan which means I do not want to eat

List of words and phrases commonly used in the 2000s:

Akika - I, me, myself
Borju - Rich, Pampered, Spoiled, or Show Off, a shorter form of the word Borjuis which came from the French word Bourgeois
Cupu - (Culun punya) Literally means lame
Dugem - (Dunia gemerlap) something or someone which is identical to nightlife activities or hedonism (ie. night clubs, rave parties)
Ember - (Emang Bener) Exclamation word to confirm something, means It is true or Indeed
Gak asik - Literally means uncool or not fun
Gak penting - Literally means not important or trivial
Geje - (GJ: Gak Jelas) Literally means not obvious
Gitu loh! - Exclamation word that is used at the end of a sentence as emphasis (eg. "So what, gitu loh!")
Jayus - A joke that is meant to be or sound funny, but it is not. It roughly means corny in English.
Kacian deh lo! - Pity you!
Pembokat - Literally means maid or servant
Plis dong ah! or Plis deh! - Oh, Please!
Secara - Literally means a la, but is used to substitute karena which means because
Sumpe lo? - Are you sure?
Sutra - Done
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Region specific slangs
The region specific slangs are arranged in alphabetical order.

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Bali slang
Bali language have 4 placement. 1. ASI 2. AMI 3. ASO 4. BK

Bali have special letter, 18 character. a, na, ca, ra, ka, da, ta, sa, wa, la, ma, ga, ba, nga, pa, ja, ya, nya.

Java letter have 20 character, Bali letter only have 18 character. it's lost 2 letter.


lanjutkan...

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Bandung slang
Bandung, is the city in west java with predominantly Sundanese culture. Sundanese language has three levels: High (polite), Normal, and Low (rough and impolite). Bandung slang mostly uses derivative of Low Sundanese words such as Aing, Maneh, etc.

One distinct characteristic in Bandung slang grammar is generous insertion of the word Anjing in a sentence. The word Anjing means Dog or Bitch, but its usage in Bandung slang is merely for emphasis and not as swearword.

For example: Nasi goreng Jalan Madura ngeunah pisan, anjing! which means Fried rice in Madura Street is really delicious, gosh!

However, Anjing is also used as swearword if used independently in a sentence. For example: Anjing Siah! means You Bitch!

Aing - I
Anjing, Anying, Njing - Bitch, generously used by inserting it in sentences NOT as swearwords but only as emphasis (see above)
Maneh - You
Goreng - Ugly
Heunceut - Female genital
Ngeunah - Nice
Ngewe - To fuck
Siah - You
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General Central Java slang
These slangs are shared across central Java (Semarang, Yogyakarta, Solo, and so forth)

Ndak -- No, not. Javanese rather use this word to say tidak in Bahasa Indonesia
Isa -- used by the javanese to indonesianize isa (pronounced as /is@/) which means bisa(=can, be able to) in Bahasa Indonesia
Mudheng -- Understand
Bojo - Boy friend/ girl friend. Originally in standard Javanese means spouse
Mbadok, Madang, Njeglag -- Eat, Having breakfast, lunch or dinner
Ora nggenah, Ora nggadeg - do not seems good / does not make sense
Piye, jal?, - Semarang term, means How about it?
Njur piye? - Kedu term, means How about next?
Yo mesti! - Semarang term, means Exactly, certainly
Semeh, sebeh - Semarang slang for Mother (Javanese= ibu) and Father (Javanese= bapak)
Yo, Karepmu - Same meaning with it's up to you
Isin -- Shy
Uelek tenan - very ugly
Gembelengan - moving around without any certain direction
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Jakarta slang
Akamsi -- stands for anak kampung sini (kids on the block)
Apong -- variation of sepong (to do oral sex to male)
Bang -- Call for male elder people
Bego -- Stupid
Berapa duit? or Berapaan? -- How much money?
Bokis -- Cheapskate in english.
Cokin/Cinko/Cinin -- Chinese Indonesian (derogatory term)
Doang -- Only
Dodol -- Stupid
Emang -- So / it is so. (Emangnya kenapa? = "So what?")
Gue or Gua or Gw -- I, me, myself
Jablay -- Whore
Jebé -- person with thick ugly lips
Jotos -- Punch
Kacau -- Mess (the usage is a little different from formal language)
Kenceng -- Fast (speed), fastened
Kipak -- cripple
Lempeng -- Straight (direction)
Lu or Lo or Elu or Elo -- You
Sip -- Okay
Siyok -- shocked, as in "Aduh siyok!" ("Oh, I am shocked!")
Tiko -- Indonesian native (derogatory term)
Yoy -- Same as Yo'i or Yo'a. It almost have no meaning, but you can use it as an OK answer.
Gokil -- Crazy or Insane (can be implied both in a positive or negative way)
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Malang slang
Malangese slang typically done by swapping syllables.

Kera -- Arek (= "men / boys")
Ngalam -- Malang (the city)
Arodam --Madura (Madurese)
Raijo -- derived from ojir (money)
Ngoceb -- derived from bencong (transvestite)
Nolab -- derived from balon (it means 'prostitute')
Kunam -- derived from manuk (bird or 'penis')
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Manado slang
Manado slang, also known as Logat Manado, is widely used throughout the North Sulawesi province. It is used casually in everyday life and sometimes used in formal occasions.

Many words are similar to the Indonesian language. See: Manado Malay.

Some of the simple words that visitors should know when they travel to Manado are:

oto; car

doi; money

kous; t-shirt

calana; pants

koi; bed

slop; sandals, flip flops

spatu/capatu; shoes

maitua ; girlfriend, a girl friend

paitua ; boyfriend, a guy friend


Some words and phrases that are more temporary mostly used by young people:

ba jao jo; go away!, get away!

ba ilang jo; get lost!

so gila stou; are you nuts!?

ajus ; mother (used among peers, not to parents)
sebe ; father

Tambio ; Hustler, Prostitute or Call Girl

oi to po?; right dude?
Sepang ; Setan Panggilan (Evil, Devil)

Ichat ; Iblis Catok (Devil Boy)

Alot ; Anak Lonte (Son/daughter of Hustler/Bitch)

Budo ; Budak Dosa (Slave Of Sin)


Some cuss words are:

pemar, pemai, cuki, cuki mai, pendo; there are no specific meanings to these words, they're just straight up cuss words

lonte; slut, hoe, whore
keode; damn!
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Medan slang
Selow - Came from the word Slow, means relax, cooling down, or calm down (e.g. "Selow" lah sikit pakcik.")
Sikit - Came from the word Sedikit, means a litle.
Sokam - A slang word for Dji Sam Soe Ciggarete
Bodat - Primate
Bondon - Whore
Tuncit - To fuck
Totong - Penis
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Jambi & Palembang slang
Kau - You
Dak - No/Incapibilities , e.g : 'Dak Jaleh' (Jaleh mean can) which mean say 'Cann't' to other people but in rude way
Cak - How
Pler - Came from word 'Peler' means 'Pennis'
Kentot, Ngentot - To Fuck
Pulak - Just additional word normally added at the end of sentences , e.g "Cak Mano Pulak" mean 'how it can be'
Mostly Jambi & Palembang slang language just change the letter at the end of the word with letter 'o' (but not all of the word can changed with o, mostly word which ended with 'a' letter can changed with 'o' Example :

Mana --> 'Mano'
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Pontianak slang
Pontianak slang is influenced by Malay, Teochew and Dayaknese. It is spoken in malay dialect.

oto; literally means auto which is car

bujur; (pronounced bujo) means straight (as in direction)

kam sia; derived from Teochew which means thank you

plaza; means the verb slap
tadak; (Bahasa Indonesia form tidak) which means no
lempok; (Bahasa Indonesia means dodol) which means cakes from cooked fruit
kalak; (Bahasa Indonesia means nanti) which means later.
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Surabaya slang
Some of the well known Surabayan slangs:

Dancuk, dancik, cuk, dancrit, jancuk -- fuck
Ndak -- No
Kenceng -- Fast (but not fasten, like Jakarta slang)
Banter -- Fast (speed)
Montor -- Car
Lontong -- Stupid, useless (lontong = name of traditional food made of rice, compare to Chinese "fan tong")
Congok -- Stupid
Gaplek -- Very annoying (gaplek = cassava)
Bokong -- Buttocks
Bujuk -- Lie (compare to the formal meaning: To persuade)
Budheg -- Deaf
Korak -- Thugs
Dableg -- Keep coming for more
Dolen -- To play
Reken, ngreken -- Attention, pay attention
Lonthe -- Prostitutes
Ngelonthe -- To sell ourselves
Matamu -- means Watch Your EYE! Usually used to express anger or unhappy feeling or situation
Ngencuk -- same as Ngentot or Fucking
Asu -- same as Anjing

Another characteristics of Surabayan slang is to add "u" before a vowel and stressed the word in a unique way to indicate superlative forms:

Buanyak -- Very very very much (banyak = much)
Buanjir -- Flood very very bad (banjir = flood)
Bueda -- Very very different (beda = different)
Buanget -- Very very very something (e.g. "Buanyak buanget" is much much more than just "banyak")
In the 1990s, there are a bunch of slangs that combines "lo" and the first syllable of a word, such as

Leken -- Motorcycle (originally from 'kendaraan' = 'vehicle')
Lomon -- Car (originally from 'montor')
Logob -- Stupid (from 'goblok')
Lokcong -- Stupid (from 'congok')
Lustup -- Stupid (from 'stupid')
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Yogyakarta slang
According to Aksara Jawa site, Yogyakarta slang is also known as Basa Walikan. It is a transformation from Javanese language, in which Javanese traditional character sequences are being switched with one another, using the formula below:

ha na ca ra ka =======> pa dha ja ya nya
da ta sa wa la =======> ma ga ba tha nga
pa dha ja ya nya =====> ha na ca ra ka
ma ga ba tha nga =====> da ta sa wa la
Using the above manner, the exclamation word Matamu! (which means: Your Eyes!) is transformed into Dagadu!.

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#29421 - 13 Mar 06 07:58 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:
most of the blame for the continued lack of progress in aceh lays with the Indonesians, in particular, the military, state intelligence, immigration, the moronic parliament, among others.
But this is the point:

You can expect problems with local authorities. it would be foolhardy not to anticipate them. You resolve this issue by employing people who are capable of overcoming these hurdles.

The current catch 22 is simply this. There is a plethora of “experts” in Jakarta and Ache, and the projects are stalled in a mass of inactivity. If the “experts” were worth the money and achieved the objectives no one would complain. But to be paying all of this money and still have people living in tents 15 months later, whilst two workshops are held on "unsustainable timber" allocations to the project, is unacceptable.

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#29422 - 13 Mar 06 08:57 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:

In Victorian times wealthy English families would send idiot sons to Africa or Australia to avoid embarrassment. They were called “Remittance Men” because the family sent them a small sum of money each year to keep them away…..

http://www.fortsteele.bc.ca/exhibits/kootenay/ethnic/rmen.asp

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/36/messages/712.html

Well at least you know the history of your ancestors and why you are sitting on your polar ass in Sydney and not here with the real men working. BTW, I do not work anymore, don't have too, made all of mine now just in the slow lane enjoying time with the family.

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#29423 - 13 Mar 06 09:04 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Polar Bear:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_slang_language

Vocabulary
Indonesian slang language structure is derived mainly from formal Indonesian language. Its vocabulary expands from a combination of derivatives or borrowing from other languages such as Hokkien, English, Dutch, or local ethnic languages such as Betawi, Sundanese, or Javanese. In many cases however, the vocabulary is not derived from anywhere at all.

According to Nyoman Riasa, some of the slang language vocabulary was transformed from formal Indonesian language through several way:

is transformed into Dagadu!.
Hey Polar Ass, you sure got this cut and paste down to an art form, I am sure your ancestors would be proud of you, actually learned a trade did you, "cut and paste". Now who is the english teacher?

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#29424 - 13 Mar 06 09:05 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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ah..retired in Jakarta, cheap living isn't it?
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#29425 - 13 Mar 06 09:16 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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You know as I have came to the conclusion many years ago, in Jakarta you can live as cheap or as expensive as you like. Now I could take the route and have a MEBV good for a year but I bought the USD 2500 package deal from Okusi and got the sit on my butt with no hassles KITAS package. I keep my mind active every night by trading stocks on the US stock market from my computer with a stock trading account with DBS Singapore. It is good to know that you can live cheap here but we do no have too.

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#29426 - 13 Mar 06 09:23 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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$2500.. thats it? .must have been an "on sale" package or okusi gave you a special discount? smile
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#29427 - 13 Mar 06 09:28 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
Hey Polar Ass, you sure got this cut and paste down to an art form, I am sure your ancestors would be proud of you, actually learned a trade did you, "cut and paste". Now who is the english teacher?
???????

I correctly attributed where I loaded it from, and did not pass it off as "my own work"…

So I am not sure what you point is?

I certainly have no idea what you are getting at –

“Learned a trade”?
“Now who is the English teacher?”


• If you want to discuss the technology behind GUI “cut and paste” I am quite happy to indulge you.

• Or if you wish to discuss English teaching I Asian countries, please go ahead.

• Alternatively if the ethics of un-attributed plagiarising of internet data is your beef, please let us know.

I think my friend, you have been over indulging. Go and have a lie down, and sleep it off. smile smile

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#29428 - 13 Mar 06 09:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Don't know actually, I asked and that is what I assume it was Kuku quoted and I paid. I mean I like negotiating but then in those circumstances, you get what you pay for and I wanted this to be semi-legal.

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#29429 - 13 Mar 06 09:29 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by wallet-digga':
$2500.. thats it? .must have been an "on sale package" or okusi gave you a special discount? smile
hey! you calling okusi cheap??! actually, he would have paid a total of USD2350 for the visa (USd1200 DPKK inclusive, plus immigration, manpower and sponsor fees), plus another USD100 for having an embassy stamp the visa into his passport.

compared to other countries, this ain't cheap, i can tell you! but that's what you have to pay if you want to stay in indonesia long-term without hassles.
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#29430 - 13 Mar 06 09:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Don't forget the 80 USD per MERP x 2 = 160 + 2350 = 2510 USD

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#29431 - 13 Mar 06 09:33 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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LOL....I didn't say that sayang..., BA wrote that amount here!
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#29432 - 13 Mar 06 09:35 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Quote:
Originally posted by Black Adder:
You know as I have came to the conclusion many years ago, in Jakarta you can live as cheap or as expensive as you like. Now I could take the route and have a MEBV good for a year but I bought the USD 2500 package deal from Okusi and got the sit on my butt with no hassles KITAS package. I keep my mind active every night by trading stocks on the US stock market from my computer with a stock trading account with DBS Singapore. It is good to know that you can live cheap here but we do no have too.
Oh I’m sorry mate, I misunderstood you.

I didn’t know you were in JKT for the pollution free atmosphere of early morning, the traffic free hassles of getting around the city, the safety of living in a first world city, the security of living in a secular environment free of religious restrictions and interference. And of course you love living in a corruption free society, with social assistance and first world health systems. smile smile

I love Jakarta despite all of its problems. But I wouldn’t list it as my ideal retirement spot unless I was broke!

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#29433 - 13 Mar 06 09:37 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
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Originally posted by KuKuKaChu:

compared to other countries, this ain't cheap, i can tell you! but that's what you have to pay if you want to stay in indonesia long-term without hassles.
Try migrating to Australia (if you can get in). It costs a lot more.....

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#29434 - 13 Mar 06 09:39 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
KuKuKaChu Moderator Offline
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Originally posted by Black Adder:
Don't forget the 80 USD per MERP x 2 = 160 + 2350 = 2510 USD
oh yeah, the damn MERP. always a gotcha somewhere ...
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#29435 - 13 Mar 06 09:40 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
I correctly attributed where I loaded it from, and did not pass it off as "my own work"…

So I am not sure what you point is?

I certainly have no idea what you are getting at –
“Learned a trade”?
“Now who is the English teacher?”

I think my friend, you have been over indulging. Go and have a lie down, and sleep it off. smile smile [/QB]
Actually with all of your cut and paste activity, I wonder if you have you an orignal thought besides telling the history of your ancestors and where you get all that ineptitude from. As for imbibing, an occasional beer now days but nothing over the top, maybe it is because my wife is walking around half nude going to take a shower, God the woman cuts a figure.

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#29436 - 13 Mar 06 09:48 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Try migrating to Australia (if you can get in). It costs a lot more..... [/QB][/QUOTE]

Actually I thought so too but recently I had an Indonesian freind over to think about doing some part time work on a little part time project here, he is probably one of the few Indonesian sales guy I woud trust and and as well he is efficient and with a good head on his shoulders but he said He would be happy to do it except he will leave Jakarta for good and migrate to Aus. He said he took the cheapest road possible and was approved recently, his family has already left and he will follow in a few months. My Brother-in-Law (a Jordanian) just recently went the same route and I found out they are now approved as well, both guys with families and no investment just filling out the paperwork and passing the medical and presto majic in like flint.

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#29437 - 13 Mar 06 09:50 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 23 Nov 05
Posts: 6177
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Originally posted by Black Adder:
I wonder if you have you an orignal thought besides telling the history of your ancestors and where you get all that ineptitude from. As for imbibing, an occasional beer now days but nothing over the top, maybe it is because my wife is walking around half nude going to take a shower, God the woman cuts a figure.
LOL - I think women do it on purpose!!!

Makes a guy forget breakfast and think of other things.

Original thoughts - hmmmmmmm

Not many of them left in the world these days. not truly original ones anyway. We live in a society when progress is measured on compliance to pre-existing ideas. I dropped out of a course once because I refused to accept the left wing ideology of my Supervisor.

Inept? Your opinion mate, and to be honest, it doesn’t sound like it counts for much.

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#29438 - 13 Mar 06 09:59 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
Polar Bear Offline
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But if you are really interested in original thought, do you have any position on the concept of infinity?

We could discuss it for days. I developed a really good “swinging pen” analogy to explain how the sum of chaos must equal order – when infinity exists.

We could discuss how it fits in with the Chudnovsky Brothers and their search for numeric patterns in Pi. Or we could look at how it could intermesh with Borges “Library of Babel”.

Or we could forget the insults and the egos, and just go down to the Sportsmans and have a beer. smile smile

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#29439 - 13 Mar 06 10:00 Re: I am ashamed to be an Australian
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Registered: 13 Mar 06
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Originally posted by Polar Bear:
Oh I’m sorry mate, I misunderstood you.

I didn’t know you were in JKT for the pollution free atmosphere of early morning, the traffic free hassles of getting around the city, the safety of living in a first world city, the security of living in a secular environment free of religious restrictions and interference. And of course you love living in a corruption free society, with social assistance and first world health systems. smile smile

I love Jakarta despite all of its problems. But I wouldn’t list it as my ideal retirement spot unless I was broke! [/QB]
I live here for many reasons, we have an established life and home here, friends and family are here, we actually like the city and I do not have move back to my home country because I have too or I crave the security of a western society like some. I am not even 50 yet so I am still young enough to handle the big city, even drive myself, not becuase I have too but because I want too. Bet you tell all the mates in the pub back home about how you have a car and driver when you come to Jakarta. Be a brave little boy next time and get behind the wheel and enjoy it like I do. My wife has her own car as well, a big-ass Ford Everest to be exact and she refuses a driver as well. Bottom line is we enjoy living here.

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