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#115669 - 08 Apr 11 09:02 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: OrangJawa]
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wait for the implementing regulations. perhaps in another year or so. then see just how damn useless this law is.


more business opportunity for okushi?

not really. foreigners in this category are not my market.
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#115671 - 08 Apr 11 10:07 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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my take: it won't happen.


I like to think happy thoughts. I think it's a "Thunderbirds are go" moment.

it'll all end in tears, mark my words ...
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#115672 - 08 Apr 11 12:13 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I'll mark them but SBY has been making a lot of human rights speeches in the last couple of years (To international audiences) so I believe there is a lot more politics in this than just pressure from interest groups.
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#115679 - 08 Apr 11 17:38 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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The key points of the New Law that affect us are as follows:

If you marry an Indonesian citizen here, you will be entitled to Izin Tinggal Terbatas. After 2 years, you can convert it to Izin Tinggal Tetap (ITAP).

If you have already been legally married for at least two years to an Indonesian citizen, you get an ITAP immediately. E.g. if you marry your Indonesian spouse in Australia and stay there for 2 years before coming to live in Indonesia, you are entitled to an ITAP immediately.

If you have an ITAP because you are married to an Indonesian, you can work here without needing a work permit.

If your children choose to keep their foreign nationality once they reach the age of 18, they are entitled to an ITAP and can work here.

If your children were over 18 when the citizenship law was passed and never had Indonesian nationality, they are now entitled to an ITAP and can work.

Foreigners who are legally married to Indonesians no longer need a `penjamin' (sponsor).

The ITAP is valid for an unlimited period but needs to be renewed administratively every 5 years. There is no cost for this.

If you already have an ITAP and your Indonesian spouse dies, you keep the ITAP.

If you have an ITAP and you and your Indonesian spouse divorce before you have been married for 10 years, the ITAP is cancelled.

If you have an ITAP and you and your Indonesian spouse divorce when you have been married for 10 years or more, you keep the ITAP.

Unfortunately we still have to have the re-entry permit. If you have an ITAP, you will be able to get, as now, a multiple re-entry permit that is valid for 2 years.

Now that the bill has been approved by the DPR it will go to SetNeg and then be signed by the President. However, it will take some time before the implementing regulations are drawn up and this law becomes effective.
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#115680 - 08 Apr 11 19:22 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Jokie Jokie Girl]
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I understand the bill has to be signed by Pak President within 30 days.
I wonder how long before it's actually available.
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#115682 - 09 Apr 11 10:35 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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I wonder how long before it's actually available.

typically, implementing regulations can take from 3 months to never.

take "investor visas". under law, these are residence visas/work permits that are issued for 2-5 years. never implemented, although it's law.
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#115704 - 12 Apr 11 11:57 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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#116228 - 18 May 11 13:05 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Om Pong]
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the new law is now available to download. It can be found here http://www.setneg.go.id/ search UU Nomor 6 tahun 2011 tentang keimigrasian and you'll be able to down load it smile
http://www.setneg.go.id/index.php?option...n=2011&catn
www.setneg.go.id

It's already been signed and passed as of the 6th May...
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#116229 - 18 May 11 13:17 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Kitty]
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but but but ... where are the implementing regulations?
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#116230 - 18 May 11 15:00 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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but but but ... where are the implementing regulations?


You did say "three months to never".
Give the fuckers a chance lads.
I've been told there's fat chance of such a law ever being passed at all and here we are on the verge of a great day for us and a chance for Indonesia to show it's actually doing something positive that'll help a lot of people and hurt no one.
I'm a positive sort of bloke and have argued many times we'll see this law and, yep, we're here.
Like I said - Think happy thoughts and give the fuckers a chance.
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#116231 - 18 May 11 15:06 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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sorry fred, i've been here too many times before.

nothing is true until it happens.
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#116232 - 18 May 11 15:14 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I agree with the possibility it could all go tits up but I'm still thinking happy thoughts and saying it'll happen.

Bet you a pizza and we're talking Papa Ron's this time.

(Pizza subject to you not making any homosexual advances to me while eating, before or after, and no sneaking under the table to blow me during the meal)


I may relax the latter rule if you promise to be gentle and not bite me.


Edited by fred (18 May 11 15:15)
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#116237 - 18 May 11 17:19 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
but but but ... where are the implementing regulations?


sabar Ku..it's gonna be soon wink
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#116241 - 19 May 11 09:21 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Kitty]
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Quoting: Kitty
Quoting: KuKuKaChu
but but but ... where are the implementing regulations?


sabar Ku..it's gonna be soon wink

waiting for godot ...
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#116245 - 19 May 11 15:59 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
Quoting: Kitty
Quoting: KuKuKaChu
but but but ... where are the implementing regulations?


sabar Ku..it's gonna be soon wink

waiting for godot ...


I just received an email...in JUNE!!!
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#116253 - 19 May 11 18:13 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Kitty]
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Quoting: Kitty

I just received an email...in JUNE!!!


Very nice if true.
Where was it from and is it reliable info?

PS KK thingy will owe me a pizza. BBQ meat feast works for me.
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#116254 - 19 May 11 18:20 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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Quoting: fred
PS KK thingy will owe me a pizza. BBQ meat feast works for me.

dream on ...
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#116257 - 19 May 11 20:22 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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I dare not dream as it makes a mess in the bed sheets.
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#116259 - 20 May 11 10:19 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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i'll be attending a public meeting tomorrow night in Batam on the subject of foreign men married to Indonesian women not being required to obtain a work permit.

there are a lot of very high hopes in Batam. i shall have to let them down slowly ...

realities:
1. nothing will happen without implementing regulations formulated by the bureaucracy.
2. these regulations may take a many months, even years, to formulate.
3. the regulations may well not correspond with the spirit of the legislation.
4. expect fun and games; nothing happens for free for foreigners in indonesia. remember, we owe them a living.
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#116264 - 20 May 11 11:04 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: fred]
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Quoting: fred
Quoting: Kitty

I just received an email...in JUNE!!!


Very nice if true.
Where was it from and is it reliable info?


yups..it's gonna be!

ofcourse, it's reliabel! what do you think?
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#116265 - 20 May 11 11:06 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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i'll be attending a public meeting tomorrow night in Batam on the subject of foreign men married to Indonesian women not being required to obtain a work permit.

there are a lot of very high hopes in Batam. i shall have to let them down slowly ...

realities:
1. nothing will happen without implementing regulations formulated by the bureaucracy.
2. these regulations may take a many months, even years, to formulate.
3. the regulations may well not correspond with the spirit of the legislation.
4. expect fun and games; nothing happens for free for foreigners in indonesia. remember, we owe them a living.


oh ya..oh ya...
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#116266 - 20 May 11 12:02 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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i'll be attending a public meeting tomorrow night in Batam on the subject of foreign men married to Indonesian women not being required to obtain a work permit.

there are a lot of very high hopes in Batam. i shall have to let them down slowly ...

realities:
1. nothing will happen without implementing regulations formulated by the bureaucracy.
2. these regulations may take a many months, even years, to formulate.
3. the regulations may well not correspond with the spirit of the legislation.
4. expect fun and games; nothing happens for free for foreigners in indonesia. remember, we owe them a living.

Give the fuckers a chance, Ku...
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#116267 - 20 May 11 12:33 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: iceu_juiceu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
i'll be attending a public meeting tomorrow night in Batam on the subject of foreign men married to Indonesian women not being required to obtain a work permit.

there are a lot of very high hopes in Batam. i shall have to let them down slowly ...

realities:
1. nothing will happen without implementing regulations formulated by the bureaucracy.
2. these regulations may take a many months, even years, to formulate.
3. the regulations may well not correspond with the spirit of the legislation.
4. expect fun and games; nothing happens for free for foreigners in indonesia. remember, we owe them a living.

Give the fuckers a chance, Ku...

such faith. so touching.
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#116271 - 20 May 11 19:09 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: Kitty]
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I think it's way too fast so I'm sceptical.
However, to the doom and gloom merchants like cute chewy, I'm still hopeful of a solution to our problems.
Of course I also believe sheep sex will be legal in my lifetime so don't listen to me.
I think happy thoughts and hope for the best but take it with a "Tidak apa apa" if I don't get it.
I'm so chilled, you could paint me white and keep beer in me.



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#116289 - 22 May 11 16:26 Re: Marriage to an Indonesian grants ability to work? [Re: KuKuKaChu]
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Quoting: KuKuKaChu
Quoting: iceu_juiceu


Give the fuckers a chance, Ku...

such faith. so touching.
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.....a chance to mess it up.. at least lahan baru buat dpt more money..

yes i have deep faith in govt ... they're great goddess
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